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AURO 3D Demo Disc

Does anyone know how I can obtain a AURO 3D demo disc. I read sometime ago on this tread that you can contract Marantz if you updated to Auro and they would send you one. I have not been able to find that post. Any advise?
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Does anyone know how I can obtain a AURO 3D demo disc. I read sometime ago on this tread that you can contract Marantz if you updated to Auro and they would send you one. I have not been able to find that post. Any advise?
If you bought the Auro-3D update, just contact Marantz through their web site and ask for the demo disc. As long as they still have them, they should send you one. That's all I did. I got Volume 2.

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Does anyone know how I can obtain a AURO 3D demo disc. I read sometime ago on this tread that you can contract Marantz if you updated to Auro and they would send you one. I have not been able to find that post. Any advise?
As noted in post 11 of the Owner's thread, a disc should have been mailed to you when you purchased the upgrade. If not, contact Marantz with your purchase information.

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Does anyone know how I can obtain a AURO 3D demo disc. I read sometime ago on this tread that you can contract Marantz if you updated to Auro and they would send you one. I have not been able to find that post. Any advise?


Email the guys at auro technologies and they have both versions, they will be more than happy to send them for free but will charge you (I payed approx $au30) for fedex shipping, they are quite efficient and you will receive it in less than 2 weeks...cheers


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Email the guys at auro technologies and they have both versions, they will be more than happy to send them for free but will charge you (I payed approx $au30) for fedex shipping, they are quite efficient and you will receive it in less than 2 weeks...cheers


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Ouch, Like the others above mentioned, I just contacted Marantz after my update and Vol2 was mailed to me for free.
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Email the guys at auro technologies and they have both versions, they will be more than happy to send them for free but will charge you (I payed approx $au30) for fedex shipping, they are quite efficient and you will receive it in less than 2 weeks...cheers
I have tried that, several times ([email protected]), since September last year 2018.
First, no answer at all.
After several claims, I only could manage to get some mails from them stating that the Demo Disc Auro-3D V2 is out of stock. They will contact me when available.
Last claim, in January, they told me that have had problems in their factory production discs. Still no stock available.

This could be a symptom on how much Auro-3D is interested in the Home Cinema market.
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I have tried that, several times ([email protected]), since September last year 2018.
First, no answer at all.
After several claims, I only could manage to get some mails from them stating that the Demo Disc Auro-3D V2 is out of stock. They will contact me when available.
Last claim, in January, they told me that have had problems in their factory production discs. Still no stock available.

This could be a symptom on how much Auro-3D is interested in the Home Cinema market.
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Guys, I have a 7.2.4 Atmos layout.......it's a typical 7 speaker layout with back surrounds, then 4 in-ceiling speakers. I got the Auro 3D demo disc some time back but have yet to purchase the upgrade for my 8802A. If I did, is it as simple as playing discs with Auro 3D content, or would I need to change any cabling or speaker settings?

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Guys, I have a 7.2.4 Atmos layout.......it's a typical 7 speaker layout with back surrounds, then 4 in-ceiling speakers. I got the Auro 3D demo disc some time back but have yet to purchase the upgrade for my 8802A. If I did, is it as simple as playing discs with Auro 3D content, or would I need to change any cabling or speaker settings?
Auro has to have "height" settings to function. Tops won't work. You can assign in-ceiling speakers as heights to make it work. How well Auro material will sound with in-ceiling speakers is up for debate, although I find (based on my testing using various renderings with Auro-3D using a switch box that can expand Auro to 7.1.6 or render it as 9.1 as intended) that native movies to be mixed so similar to Atmos (as 5.1.4 type mixes) that it would probably be OK for movies. I think it's the dual-quad miked music that might be a bit off not following the Auro layout, but then without a reference (hearing the original space), you might not even notice there either. Proximity to the side or rear surrounds probably matters too, but side wall versus ceiling... for narrow rooms there's very little difference. I render top middle over side height speakers (with front as bookshelf at 30 degrees front heights and the rear speakers on the ceiling in the back of the room as rear heights which are only like 20 degrees relative the MLP but with 3 rows of seating and top middles to fill in the overhead gaps) and Atmos, X and Auro all sound great regardless of whether I do "true" Auro or not and Atmos sounds fine with side heights as long as they're not too far off the track from teh front/rear speaker locations (mine are 20 inches to the outside and 9 inches lower than the front/rears due to the side wall and steel ceiling beam being in the way in the middle of the room/ceiling.)

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Guys, I have a 7.2.4 Atmos layout.......it's a typical 7 speaker layout with back surrounds, then 4 in-ceiling speakers. I got the Auro 3D demo disc some time back but have yet to purchase the upgrade for my 8802A. If I did, is it as simple as playing discs with Auro 3D content, or would I need to change any cabling or speaker settings?

If I were you, I'd save the $200 for something else. If it was transferable I'd sell you my upgrade for half price, or less. Living in the US the only available titles for you have to be purchased overseas and as a up-mixer I found Auro 3d to be inferior to DS or Neural X. If you enjoy doing a lot of system tweaking and all that, just for the purpose of curiosity or fun, fine.
I just can't see any potential gains to be made in any event.
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If I were you, I'd save the $200 for something else. If it was transferable I'd sell you my upgrade for half price, or less. Living in the US the only available titles for you have to be purchased overseas and as a up-mixer I found Auro 3d to be inferior to DS or Neural X. If you enjoy doing a lot of system tweaking and all that, just for the purpose of curiosity or fun, fine.
I just can't see any potential gains to be made in any event.
YMMV

JMHO but
I dunno, Sal. Red Tails in 5.1 just isn't the same (even with Neural X).

$200 worth? Probably not. Flatliners seemed better than Atmos here in Auro-3D due to stronger ceiling sounds (The missing rear surrounds aren't very noticeable in my setup since I have matrixed rear wides and rear heights + side heights (with either copied rear to side or extracted "middle" side heights). In fact, some sounds that were in the back in Atmos in Flatliners were in the back in Auro-3D too (they were in the side channels which the matrixed channels then pulled to the 80% rear of the room and it ended up sounding the same from the MLP and only slightly less in the 2nd row). Admittedly, Atmos is better in the 3rd row, but if I copied the sides to the back for Auro with another switchbox, I think it would be pretty close (or if I set to sides and connected to the rears and extracted a side from the front/rear like I do on the ceiling I could have "true" 7.1.6 with Auro-3D regardless.

Does it sound like I"m having fun with Auro? Yeah, kind of (I've got 12 native titles to play with now, which is almost half the amount of DTS:X titles I have so it's not THAT much worse than them; I don't think I had that many DTS titles back in the DVD/Laserdisc days as they were pretty rare; it's only BD that made them common). If only they'd release a few big titles a year, even, the fun could continue. But they're looking mighty dry lately. What they need are optmized for Auro movies that use CH/TS more and some bigger music titles (Atmos gets Roger Waters' The Wall concert and Auro gets church organs? Yay.)
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I have tried that, several times ([email protected]), since September last year 2018.
First, no answer at all.
After several claims, I only could manage to get some mails from them stating that the Demo Disc Auro-3D V2 is out of stock. They will contact me when available.
Last claim, in January, they told me that have had problems in their factory production discs. Still no stock available.

This could be a symptom on how much Auro-3D is interested in the Home Cinema market.
The Auro3D V2 demo disc is back in stock!
The Auro Team sent me an email today, requesting my mailing address, so they can ship one out to me, via FedEx.
However, before shipping, they request 33.50 EUR (VAT included) onto a provided bank account number, to cover the cost of shipping, handling and custom fees.
So there free demo disc, is not free after all. LOL

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As noted in post 11 of the Owner's thread, a disc should have been mailed to you when you purchased the upgrade. If not, contact Marantz with your purchase information.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...l#post34845169

I have a Denon and basically did the same thing. I reached out to Denon via their online support center to request a demo disc with Auro 3D material on it to test/confirm my setup. They asked me to provide a receipt , shipping address, phone number and full name. A few weeks later, I received my disc. I didn't have to pay for shipping or anything else.
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Auro has to have "height" settings to function. Tops won't work. You can assign in-ceiling speakers as heights to make it work. How well Auro material will sound with in-ceiling speakers is up for debate, although I find (based on my testing using various renderings with Auro-3D using a switch box that can expand Auro to 7.1.6 or render it as 9.1 as intended) that native movies to be mixed so similar to Atmos (as 5.1.4 type mixes) that it would probably be OK for movies. I think it's the dual-quad miked music that might be a bit off not following the Auro layout, but then without a reference (hearing the original space), you might not even notice there either. Proximity to the side or rear surrounds probably matters too, but side wall versus ceiling... for narrow rooms there's very little difference. I render top middle over side height speakers (with front as bookshelf at 30 degrees front heights and the rear speakers on the ceiling in the back of the room as rear heights which are only like 20 degrees relative the MLP but with 3 rows of seating and top middles to fill in the overhead gaps) and Atmos, X and Auro all sound great regardless of whether I do "true" Auro or not and Atmos sounds fine with side heights as long as they're not too far off the track from teh front/rear speaker locations (mine are 20 inches to the outside and 9 inches lower than the front/rears due to the side wall and steel ceiling beam being in the way in the middle of the room/ceiling.)
Hi Magnum. Thanks for the explanation. I'd have to go back and look but I thought my in-ceilings were assigned as heights in the Marantz. I guess my question is, would I have to go change the amp assign settings before playing Auro content or else the in-ceilings, set up as they are now, won't be active?

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Hi Magnum. Thanks for the explanation. I'd have to go back and look but I thought my in-ceilings were assigned as heights in the Marantz. I guess my question is, would I have to go change the amp assign settings before playing Auro content or else the in-ceilings, set up as they are now, won't be active?
If they're set up as tops, they'd have to be changed before playing Auro-3D content (2D will work). If they're set as heights, you're all set.

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If you bought the Auro-3D update, just contact Marantz through their web site and ask for the demo disc. As long as they still have them, they should send you one. That's all I did. I got Volume 2.
Thanks. Contacted them and they will send it out. Also, it is nice to see another Carver user. All the amps in my system are Carver. TFM-42 Front, TFM-25 Center, AV705x Surrounds, 2x M0.5t Atmos
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Sadly, it appears Venom from Germany is not in Auro-3D as some sites indicated it would be prior to its release (still waiting for my copy to arrive, but someone sent me a photo of the rest cover and there is no sign of it. It's kind of strange since I understand Sony's contract was for 10 movies and I only count 9 so far from them.

Meanwhile, it appears DTS:X will be a streaming format after all. Fandango Now has exclusive streaming rights to Imax Enhanced titles for one year starting later this year and the will be carrying X. Whether the lesser lossy version of DTS HD will be used as the carrier for X (or even if it can be) remains to be seen. A high-end streaming service using less compression for video and Master HD X sound might just be the ticket given how disc based formats seen to be on borrowed time.

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Got an answer from Auro 3d about John Wick
Sorry for our late response. Unfortunately there is no John Wick Blu-ray disc in Auro-3D. Please see all Blu-ray discs on our websites:

https://www.auro-3d.com/consumer/bluray/

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Auro-3D Newsletter for March 2019: https://mailchi.mp/auro-technologies...96N8ovj5hzjj30

It seems Auro-3D is having slightly better luck in China than well...the rest of the planet.

They're going to be in Vegas April 6-11th to DEMO Auro 9.1!!! 9.1!!! *WOW*. Way to regress from 13.1 guys!

Also, their BRAND NEW *STREAMING* format, known as Auro®-Cx™ (what a catchy name, eh? Forget Auro-Stream or Auro-Right or Auro-Net or Auro-Fi. Let's go with Cx. ) I'm sure this will get them on Netflix, Hulu and the new Apple streaming service FOR SURE! (And of course D&M will definitely provide a free codec update so we can all make use of it!)

Wondering what new Auro-3D movies are in cineplexes lately? Well, according to the newsletter, there's "Killer Not Stupid" in Taiwan/China! Yeah, daddy! (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8240940/?ref_=nv_sr_1)

I must have been crazy hoping that rumor about Venom 2D/3D having Auro-11.1 on it was true.... Hopefully, Killer Not Stupid will make its way onto Blu-Ray somehow like the last big title, Bankier Van Het Verzet! (https://www.bol.com/nl/p/bankier-van...B&gclsrc=aw.ds)

Meanwhile, new Auro-3D music includes blockbuster artists that rock the planet: KOHAR 5 & NEW YEARS CONCERT 2019!!!

I don't know about you guys, but I'm glad I went with D&M with Auro-3D instead of Yamaha or some other lame AVR maker that chose not to support it!
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I don't know about you guys, but I'm glad I went with D&M with Auro-3D instead of Yamaha or some other lame AVR maker that chose not to support it!

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At the least of it Auro3D is, in my modest opinion, absolutely gorgeous for 2 channels music upmixed to 5.1.4.
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At the least of it Auro3D is, in my modest opinion, absolutely gorgeous for 2 channels music upmixed to 5.1.4.
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Yes, it's highest and best use. I had the Auro mix for BR2049 for a while and thought it was better than the Atmos version I also had (I have the Auro 13 ch speaker layout). But, I've given up on the idea that Auro3D will make it into widespread use. Because it was a "no cost" feature of my two Denon receivers, I can select it as my upmixer for 2-channel music (all my collection of CD's) and enjoy a great soundfield; so I'm not unhappy to have it.
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The music sampling on the demo disc tells me their dual quad microphone recording method works magic, but the recordings are esoteric and very expensive, making them moot, IMO. I'm not going to spend $30-50 an album for music I may not even like (good luck previewing any of it). I guess I'm not alone since several on Auro's site no longer appear to be available.

The few Atmos music recordings I've heard seem to be artificially mixed or otherwise have lacked the sheer wall removing magic of dual quad real recordings (Atmos doesn't always lend itself to binaural level realism recordings as well given the rather non-symmetrical layouts some of their recommended layouts suggest. The 7.1.4 layout comes close if utilized with height speakers instead of the ceiling locations as the bed/height speakers need a spatial correlation that is easily miked (like dual quad). But you simply can't assume that relationship with Atmos as it varies a lot with options where the overheads will be and how many are there. It's easier to adapt an Auro symmetrical layout to Atmos than the other way around for that reason, but putting ceiling speakers in relatively close alignment with a set of beds is better than a large offset if you want such recordings to sound their best on Atmos.

I really think Auro screwed up early on not adapting their home layout to be more accepting of Atmos configurations with simple advice to maximize the experience as best they can. DTS:X, by comparison made a conscious decision to support both layouts and were pretty careful to not push one "correct" layout even if one can be inferred from some of their recording studios as playback of movie soundtracks (an artificial panning experience regardless) isn't "ruined" by shifting speakers around a few feet whereas quadraphonic recordings ideally should reflect the microphone configuration layout as closely as possible to maximize the realism factor.
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The music sampling on the demo disc tells me their dual quad microphone recording method works magic, but the recordings are esoteric and very expensive, making them moot, IMO. I'm not going to spend $30-50 an album for music I may not even like (good luck previewing any of it). I guess I'm not alone since several on Auro's site no longer appear to be available.


Perhaps you will|might be more enthusiastic about the partner content offerings to be available for Sony's planned|promised "360 Reality Audio" hi-res|immersive streaming (and download?) music ecosystem [more info at IBC 2019] . . . or perhaps not?!

Sadly Sony and friends seem more intent on a [smart HRTF] headphone environment (now) plus a consumer friendly 'sound bar style' intro to the home (later); no word when they might shoot for the (discrete speaker) home theater market. Too bad, per some CES 2019 reports, the "reference"(?) immersive speaker configuration appears to be "13 speakers" (no details about Subs), including what might be provision for floor reflections!






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Yeah, we need yet another 3D audio format to compete....

I wouldn't mind a nice "binaural" type headphone option with stable head gyros to listen to something quietly in the room. I've seen at least one offering that sounds promising. A shaker seat would work well with a headphone setup.

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Yeah, we need yet another 3D audio format to compete....
Yep, just what I wanted too. Something that will force me to buy another bunch of speakers and amps to conform to that formats design layout and a new AV component to decode the new format.

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how do i understand that the movie supports auro 3d sound? when i look at back of the movie disks, there is no information about auro 3d.There is only Dolby Atmos , Dolby digital ,DTS-HD etc..
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how do i understand that the movie supports auro 3d sound? when i look at back of the movie disks, there is no information about auro 3d.There is only Dolby Atmos , Dolby digital ,DTS-HD etc..
That's because outside of Europe and Australia, there are no Auro-3D blu-rays. They do generally say Auro-3D on the back of the ones that have it (I own 10 movies and a demo disc). There's less than two dozen total for movies (and several music ones).

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FYI: We watched a blu ray movie called Air Strike with Bruce Willis, it is DTS MA 5.1, the plot is a little hard to follow but it does have some good CGI and a lot of aerial combat that seems to upmix well with Auro3d, nothing on par with Red Tails but enough to make you want to duck your head down a little in a few scenes.

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If it upmixes well in Auro's upmixer, it'll probably upmix even better with Neural X.

It's sad. You'd think they'd at least have some Chinese Auro-3D titles on BD or something this year. I only see music discs. The format truly appears to be dead. It's too bad. Competition is good and the CH/TS (VOG) combo meant more overhead sound than typical Crapmos mixes that barely use the overheads at all.

Atmos can image in those locations too but rarely does since the are phantom locations and many sound mixing guys haven't seemed to embrace the concept yet that you can put the sound where you want it and the system will take care if it. I hear far too many mixes that image right at the speakers and rarely anywhere else except perhaps to pan through a location.

I think the mixing software shouldn't even show possible speaker locations. That puts the old timers right back in the 5.1 mindset.

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