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Hey guys, randomly checking my settings while jamming tunes with Auro-3D’s Auromatic and noticed the sound restorer option was set to low!!!! All this time I thought the upmixer was the one adding bass when it was the the “restorer”. I never use this so not sure how it was enabled. I knew something was off when I used Auro upmixer and the bass was just so boomy and over the top.

Edit: there’s most definitely more bass with Auro upmixer. It sounds cleaner now though.

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Hey guys, randomly checking my settings while jamming tunes with Auro-3D’s Auromatic and noticed the sound restorer option was set to low!!!! All this time I thought the upmixer was the one adding bass when it was the the “restorer”. I never use this so not sure how it was enabled. I knew something was off when I used Auro upmixer and the bass was just so boomy and over the top.

Edit: there’s most definitely more bass with Auro upmixer. It sounds cleaner now though.

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The <Restorer> setting is factory set to LOW for “Online Music”, “iPod/USB” and “Bluetooth”.
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Restorer ???
Is that a setting specific to Denon?

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The <Restorer> setting is factory set to LOW for “Online Music”, “iPod/USB” and “Bluetooth”.


Very annoying. I was using AirPlay directly to Denon with Tidal. I had no idea! Thanks for the heads up.


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Restorer ???
Is that a setting specific to Denon?
Same as the "M-DAX" setting on your Marantz.
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Same as the "M-DAX" setting on your Marantz.
Ah, thanks.

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Cross-Posted but happy Auro-matic can be used on a Dolby stream indefinitely. I was very hesitant to ever upgrade my AVR if I could not apply the up mixer of choice.

Edit: I’m really excited about this. No anti-competitive behavior allowed!



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Cross-Posted but happy Auro-matic can be used on a Dolby stream indefinitely. I was very hesitant to ever upgrade my AVR if I could not apply the up mixer of choice
+1, Thanks to everyone involved in leveraging Dolby into this decision!
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Cross-Posted but happy Auro-matic can be used on a Dolby stream indefinitely. I was very hesitant to ever upgrade my AVR if I could not apply the up mixer of choice
+1, Thanks to everyone involved in leveraging Dolby into this decision!
I'd like to know who leveraged them. I've seen people more upset by 3D going away on TVs and no petitions did that any good. I'd guess it was AVR makers if anyone. But even if they cried, it wasn't like they were going to stop carrying Dolby decoding so again zero leverage. It makes no sense IMO. Sound bar makers threatening to switch to DTS? Hollywood studios threatening to dump Dolby stock? I'd be curious to know.

I'd bet on threats from the EU to charge them with anti-competitive actions. The EU is possibly the only entity on Earth that actually with makes and enforces anti-consumer practices as opposed to lip service and serving corporate masters. The US stopped doing it in the 1980s.

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I'd like to know who leveraged them.

I'd bet on threats from the EU to charge them with anti-competitive actions.
It apparently was Xperi (DTS) who together with AuroTechnologies approached the EU which made (forced) Dolby to change their plans pointing them to European antitrust legislation (EU competition law - Abuse of Dominance, article 102 TFEU).
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I have a Denon 6500H with a 5.1.4 atmos system. Can I play Auro 3D with my speaker set up or will the sound be off? I know the receiver has the option and was curious about it.
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I have a Denon 6500H with a 5.1.4 atmos system. Can I play Auro 3D with my speaker set up or will the sound be off? I know the receiver has the option and was curious about it.
What type of overheads are you using? Generally, Auro-3D works best with a modified 5.1 system, but for "optimum" sound they recommend "side heights" instead of rear heights, but both will work. If you use in-ceiling speakers, the results might not work quite as well (not the optimal position for Auro-3D and not officially recommended), but they will still work so long as you change the setup to "heights" instead of "tops". I think the positions matter more for the Auro music dual-quad miked stuff than it does movies (movies sound similar to 5.1.4 Atmos to me). It should be easy enough to test if you have the Auro-3D demo disc (Vol1 or Vol2) or the Auro-3D Trailer (not sure where to find it online these days offhand).

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What type of overheads are you using? Generally, Auro-3D works best with a modified 5.1 system, but for "optimum" sound they recommend "side heights" instead of rear heights, but both will work. If you use in-ceiling speakers, the results might not work quite as well (not the optimal position for Auro-3D and not officially recommended), but they will still work so long as you change the setup to "heights" instead of "tops". I think the positions matter more for the Auro music dual-quad miked stuff than it does movies (movies sound similar to 5.1.4 Atmos to me). It should be easy enough to test if you have the Auro-3D demo disc (Vol1 or Vol2) or the Auro-3D Trailer (not sure where to find it online these days offhand).
I have KEF CI200QR in ceiling speakers for the Atmos. Our rear speakers are about one foot behind our heads mounted on the wall (KEF 300's) almost to our "side". I contacted Auro and inquired about having a demo disc sent out, hopefully they still have the pay for shipping option. To be honest, I haven't researched Auro 3D at all but noticed our receiver had the option and was curious about it. Thank you for the information, I think at the very least I will check out the demo disc (if I can get my hands on one).
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I have KEF CI200QR in ceiling speakers for the Atmos. Our rear speakers are about one foot behind our heads mounted on the wall (KEF 300's) almost to our "side". I contacted Auro and inquired about having a demo disc sent out, hopefully they still have the pay for shipping option. To be honest, I haven't researched Auro 3D at all but noticed our receiver had the option and was curious about it. Thank you for the information, I think at the very least I will check out the demo disc (if I can get my hands on one).
You could try asking Denon for one as well. Marantz sent me one for free after I bought the Auro 3D upgrade for the 7010 (after I asked for one). I don't know if they send them to owners of any model that has Auro-3D support or not, but it doesn't hurt to ask. There's also a list of movies with Auro-3D earlier in the thread somewhere (mostly from places in Europe and Australia. I've got 10 Auro-3D movies here and a demo disc.

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hey guys

I'm building my theater and was searching for different speaker configurations. I read that 2 channel up conversion to Auro-3d is awesome. So if my preamp will have why not experience it. I will have a 7.4.5 set up, the normal 7.0 speakers in the bottom, front/back height speakers and 1 VOG speaker in the middle top of the ceiling. With this configuration ill be able to play Atmos, DTS:X and Auro-3D, if I'm incorrect please tell me.

I was searching my 4k movies or Bluray Concerts and didn't see that it has the Auro-3d audio format mostly Dolby Atmos. Is there a list of movies of Auro-3d movies? I searched Auro website and the movies that they say that it has Auro-3d and i checked mine it does not say, am i missing something?
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I'm building my theater and was searching for different speaker configurations. I read that 2 channel up conversion to Auro-3d is awesome. So if my preamp will have why not experience it. I will have a 7.4.5 set up, the normal 7.0 speakers in the bottom, front/back height speakers and 1 VOG speaker in the middle top of the ceiling. With this configuration ill be able to play Atmos, DTS:X and Auro-3D, if I'm incorrect please tell me.

I was searching my 4k movies or Bluray Concerts and didn't see that it has the Auro-3d audio format mostly Dolby Atmos. Is there a list of movies of Auro-3d movies? I searched Auro website and the movies that they say that it has Auro-3d and i checked mine it does not say, am i missing something?

Your 5 overhead speakers should work well, how well will depend on the positioning of the 4 height speakers and your expectations. Atmos and DTS-X have similar placement needs but Auro does have it's own for optimum results. I don't have the VOG speaker but otherwise have a traditional Atmos 4 speaker style ceiling setup. I'm happy with the results with all 3 codec's, maybe not perfect for Auro but so far I've only used AuroMagic 3D for up-sampling stereo and 5.1 sources. I don't own any Auro encoded movies, only their demo disc, but the disc demos perform reasonably as intended.. Auro encoded movies are rare and not really distributed in the US. I know there was a list here somewhere on the titles available, usually ordered from overseas. I'm sure one of the guys here will come along and point you to some sources.

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hey guys

I'm building my theater and was searching for different speaker configurations. I read that 2 channel up conversion to Auro-3d is awesome. So if my preamp will have why not experience it. I will have a 7.4.5 set up, the normal 7.0 speakers in the bottom, front/back height speakers and 1 VOG speaker in the middle top of the ceiling. With this configuration ill be able to play Atmos, DTS:X and Auro-3D, if I'm incorrect please tell me.

I was searching my 4k movies or Bluray Concerts and didn't see that it has the Auro-3d audio format mostly Dolby Atmos. Is there a list of movies of Auro-3d movies? I searched Auro website and the movies that they say that it has Auro-3d and i checked mine it does not say, am i missing something?
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I'm building my theater and was searching for different speaker configurations. I read that 2 channel up conversion to Auro-3d is awesome. So if my preamp will have why not experience it. I will have a 7.4.5 set up, the normal 7.0 speakers in the bottom, front/back height speakers and 1 VOG speaker in the middle top of the ceiling. With this configuration ill be able to play Atmos, DTS:X and Auro-3D, if I'm incorrect please tell me.

I was searching my 4k movies or Bluray Concerts and didn't see that it has the Auro-3d audio format mostly Dolby Atmos. Is there a list of movies of Auro-3d movies? I searched Auro website and the movies that they say that it has Auro-3d and i checked mine it does not say, am i missing something?
There are currently about 80+ Blu Ray discs available for purchase from Europe that feature Auro 3D.

https://www.auro-3d.com/consumer/experience/

Of the vast majority of members who have used Auro 3D over the past 5 years, very few have actually posted indicating they have wired in a VOG speaker and in at least one instance, one member who did actually add it, removed it indicating it didn't add anything worthwhile.
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There are currently about 80+ Blu Ray discs available for purchase from Europe that feature Auro 3D.

https://www.auro-3d.com/consumer/experience/

Of the vast majority of members who have used Auro 3D over the past 5 years, very few have actually posted indicating they have wired in a VOG speaker and in at least one instance, one member who did actually add it, removed it indicating it didn't add anything worthwhile.
Thank you so much I'll check them out.

Here is a link a great conversation about Auro-3d that Audioholics just posted. Hope it helps someone who is in the same boat as me.

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I'm building my theater and was searching for different speaker configurations. I read that 2 channel up conversion to Auro-3d is awesome. So if my preamp will have why not experience it. I will have a 7.4.5 set up, the normal 7.0 speakers in the bottom, front/back height speakers and 1 VOG speaker in the middle top of the ceiling. With this configuration ill be able to play Atmos, DTS:X and Auro-3D, if I'm incorrect please tell me.

I was searching my 4k movies or Bluray Concerts and didn't see that it has the Auro-3d audio format mostly Dolby Atmos. Is there a list of movies of Auro-3d movies? I searched Auro website and the movies that they say that it has Auro-3d and i checked mine it does not say, am i missing something?
I have implemented Auro-3D 13.1, in its canonical positions, since I had the opportunity to make a complete reform of the living room (not dedicated), and had my wife approval . I installed the six height speakers as follows:

Height Central: Not sure if it adds significant value to Auro-3D. But I installed mainly to make dialog lift, by copying the signal from the Central (low) speaker, as I have a projector screen that makes normal Central speaker be too low.
Very satisfied with the Dialog Lift, but do not know how much adds (for me) to the Auro-3D experience.

Front Heights: Over the Fronts and slightly aimed to the MLP. As they indicate, pointing to your head when you stand up in the MLP position (not seated).

Surround Heights: Over the Surround sides (at 90-100% from MLP). Also pointing to the Stand Up MLP. This is the preferred position for Auro-3D instead of Rear Heights.
I think these give the most perceivable sonic ambient from Auro-3. From these and, perhaps also from the Front Heights I perceived sound, when coming from above, just directly over my head. I think the imaging is good enough.

Top Surround (Voice of God): I installed this in the ceiling, just to be complete, but I do not hear almost any sound coming from that speaker. As many said, including the official Auro-3D recommendation, this speaker is optional and not important. When I hear sound coming from above, I notice a nice effect but the VOG is not emitting almost any sound.


I also have four additional in-ceiling speakers for Atmos, and access them via speaker switches changing the whole configuration.


My experience with Auro-3D is as follows:

Music Stereo and 5.1: via Auro-Matic this is the most valuable thing. I feel the music more “complete” in the room and I feel more being in the middle of the sonic bubble. Depending on the stereo mix, sometimes Auro-Matic do a very good job splitting some instruments complete apart from the Front to the Surround Heights and I hear them rear and above.
From the very scarce Auro-3D released discs, I’ve got very few, just only Classical, that I do not enjoy too much because my favorite is Prog Rock/Jazz.

Films: As my native language is not English, I listen always the dubbed track that is not in Atmos (just 5.1). The work here on the Auro-Matic is very good for the music parts of the film. You here the dialogs in front and the Music in the bubble via Auro-Matic. I like the ambient sound for many films more with Auro-Matic than with DSU when configuring for Atmos.

TV programs: from a TV decoder (Movistar). Unfortunately, the Auro-Matic here does not work very well and is getting foolish. It moves the dialogs from front to back, randomly with a very bad effect. Perhaps due to some rare mixing that is coming from my TV Deco. Here I have to change to DTS Neural:X upmixer to hear TV programs a little better.


In the end, my experience could be resumed as:

• Auro-3D is only worth for Auro-Matic and music. (If you are not a Stereo purist)
• VOG is not very important
• Central Height is valuable for Dialog lift, if needed, and not so much for Auro-3D

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Thank you so much I'll check them out.

Here is a link a great conversation about Auro-3d that Audioholics just posted. Hope it helps someone who is in the same boat as me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOI0T15d4RY
It might be lengthy but I thought this was a very very interesting interview
so reading between the lines it looks likely that Arcam and others are going to add Auro on their receivers
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I have implemented Auro-3D 13.1, in its canonical positions, since I had the opportunity to make a complete reform of the living room (not dedicated), and had my wife approval . I installed the six height speakers as follows:

Height Central: Not sure if it adds significant value to Auro-3D. But I installed mainly to make dialog lift, by copying the signal from the Central (low) speaker, as I have a projector screen that makes normal Central speaker be too low.
Very satisfied with the Dialog Lift, but do not know how much adds (for me) to the Auro-3D experience.

Front Heights: Over the Fronts and slightly aimed to the MLP. As they indicate, pointing to your head when you stand up in the MLP position (not seated).

Surround Heights: Over the Surround sides (at 90-100% from MLP). Also pointing to the Stand Up MLP. This is the preferred position for Auro-3D instead of Rear Heights.
I think these give the most perceivable sonic ambient from Auro-3. From these and, perhaps also from the Front Heights I perceived sound, when coming from above, just directly over my head. I think the imaging is good enough.

Top Surround (Voice of God): I installed this in the ceiling, just to be complete, but I do not hear almost any sound coming from that speaker. As many said, including the official Auro-3D recommendation, this speaker is optional and not important. When I hear sound coming from above, I notice a nice effect but the VOG is not emitting almost any sound.


I also have four additional in-ceiling speakers for Atmos, and access them via speaker switches changing the whole configuration.


My experience with Auro-3D is as follows:

Music Stereo and 5.1: via Auro-Matic this is the most valuable thing. I feel the music more “complete” in the room and I feel more being in the middle of the sonic bubble. Depending on the stereo mix, sometimes Auro-Matic do a very good job splitting some instruments complete apart from the Front to the Surround Heights and I hear them rear and above.
From the very scarce Auro-3D released discs, I’ve got very few, just only Classical, that I do not enjoy too much because my favorite is Prog Rock/Jazz.

Films: As my native language is not English, I listen always the dubbed track that is not in Atmos (just 5.1). The work here on the Auro-Matic is very good for the music parts of the film. You here the dialogs in front and the Music in the bubble via Auro-Matic. I like the ambient sound for many films more with Auro-Matic than with DSU when configuring for Atmos.

TV programs: from a TV decoder (Movistar). Unfortunately, the Auro-Matic here does not work very well and is getting foolish. It moves the dialogs from front to back, randomly with a very bad effect. Perhaps due to some rare mixing that is coming from my TV Deco. Here I have to change to DTS Neural:X upmixer to hear TV programs a little better.


In the end, my experience could be resumed as:

• Auro-3D is only worth for Auro-Matic and music. (If you are not a Stereo purist)
• VOG is not very important
• Central Height is valuable for Dialog lift, if needed, and not so much for Auro-3D

Thank you so much your input and experience is very valuable. I will love to experience Auro-Matic for 2 channel music as i watch many youtube videos when i have friends over, that experience will be awesome
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It might be lengthy but I thought this was a very very interesting interview
so reading between the lines it looks likely that Arcam and others are going to add Auro on their receivers
Learned a lot with the video, luckily im staring my build for my theater and i can change to Front/Rear Height and install the VOG. In my country Labor is cheap so i can prewire for many locations with no problem.
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Learned a lot with the video, luckily im staring my build for my theater and i can change to Front/Rear Height and install the VOG. In my country Labor is cheap so i can prewire for many locations with no problem.
If you can prewire easily, I would recommend you to prewire not only for the Rear Height (mainly for Atmos/DTS:X), but also for the Surround Height (Specially recommended for Auro-3D). This in case you could position speakers over the side surrounds. You could then, eventually, use either Rear Heights or Surround Heights, or even both of them to expand the rear sound stage if your room layout permits that.

In my room I get good "sound bubble" with Surround Heights using Auro-3D/Auromatic

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I'm building my theater and was searching for different speaker configurations. I read that 2 channel up conversion to Auro-3d is awesome. So if my preamp will have why not experience it. I will have a 7.4.5 set up, the normal 7.0 speakers in the bottom, front/back height speakers and 1 VOG speaker in the middle top of the ceiling. With this configuration ill be able to play Atmos, DTS:X and Auro-3D, if I'm incorrect please tell me.

Front/Rear Height configuration (mount high on wall) works for all 3 formats.




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What type of overheads are you using? Generally, Auro-3D works best with a modified 5.1 system, but for "optimum" sound they recommend "side heights" instead of rear heights, but both will work. If you use in-ceiling speakers, the results might not work quite as well (not the optimal position for Auro-3D and not officially recommended), but they will still work so long as you change the setup to "heights" instead of "tops". I think the positions matter more for the Auro music dual-quad miked stuff than it does movies (movies sound similar to 5.1.4 Atmos to me). It should be easy enough to test if you have the Auro-3D demo disc (Vol1 or Vol2) or the Auro-3D Trailer (not sure where to find it online these days offhand).


Audioholics made a good point about if you have to use in-ceiling you can get angled speakers or aimable tweeters which fire at MLP and place them as front and rear height in AVR.


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Audioholics made a good point about if you have to use in-ceiling you can get angled speakers or aimable tweeters which fire at MLP and place them as front and rear height in AVR.
Aiming the speakers at your location is to correct frequency response anomalies caused by being off-axis. It doesn't change the location of the speakers.

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Aiming the speakers at your location is to correct frequency response anomalies caused by being off-axis. It doesn't change the location of the speakers.

I see. Then I should’ve said:
I’d think using a speaker placement of top front and top rear with speakers in-ceiling but angled (by speaker design angling woofer and tweeter or aiming tweeter in a standard ceiling speaker) at MLP would work similar to the approved front/rear height layout, which is acceptable for all 3 via AVR. It’s nice Auro will let you slide with rear height instead of surround height since I’m open to a kitchen (no side wall) and would have to use a mount from ceiling which I don’t want to do with my Klipsch-500SA since they’re not designed to be attached to ceiling. Anyways if the angled speaker sounds ok Auro should push this as accepted alternative to mounting bookshelves. I’m not expert but can this be much different (other than say bass response) if you have a full range speaker in ceiling angled at you like a bookshelf? This in contrast to if were using them for the bed layer, the location and dispersion is supposed to be coming from up high.


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I think any configuration will function. It's only a question of how much difference the end result is and often without a direct comparison to gauge it by, it's hard to judge. In other words, I can't possibly know if that configuration will sound "correct" or not without hearing it. I doubt it will be "awful" or anything. It might sound great. What matters is if you are happy with the end result.

Frankly, I hear so much variation between different Atmos soundtracks even on my own system it's incredible. It's hard to believe they all mix with the same basic setup. But then it even varies within the same movie (e.g. I just watched "Bad Times at the El Royale" and the flashback to Vietnam was like hearing a different movie altogether (5x more immersive sounding in those scenes than the main movie, IMO). There's so little Auro-3D material out there it hardly matters anyway, IMO. I've got 10 movies and a demo disc and while I think I like Flatliners in Auro-3D better than the Atmos version (spread across the ceiling seems better with the 'voices' bits), it's hardly night and day. I've got ONE Auro-3D movie that is not available in Atmos or X and that is Red Tails. It IS a darn nice soundtrack, but it's still just one movie.

What I'm getting at is if I thought I was going to be blown away by Auro-3D compared to Atmos or X I was wrong. I'm not saying it's worse (although not having rear surrounds in most Auro movies is a definite limitation, but less so with my matrixed Surround #2s pulling the soundstage a bit further back if I turn them on), but the Auro-3D trailer demo is misleading because it's all dual quad-miked material (i.e. like Binaural is for headphones) so it sounds REAL. But movies encoded in Auro-3D are not dual-quad miked. They're just pot/pan mixed like all movies are (even Atmos is ultimately rendered with panning between your available speakers). It's different when it's dual-quad. If you've ever heard a binaural recording compared to plain stereo (with headphones), it's "that kind" of different.

The bottom line is I wouldn't lose any sleep over it either way. Unless you collect Auro-3D music discs, it's not going to make a huge difference, IMO. Atmos 5.1.4 sounds like Auro 9.1 to me with movies. Auro 13.1 sounds similar to 7.1.4 (with some extra nice lock-ins with VOG/CH added; in other words, BETTER than 7.1.4 but there's only like two titles encoded in it period). Atmos at the theater actually has side surrounds mounted at heights similar to "surround height" with overheads in a similar position to Auro's VOG array (which in their object based cinema version behaves just like the Atmos overheads). The main benefit of Auro in the cinema is it ALSO has lower side surrounds that Atmos doesn't have (or if they're mounted low in some Atmos theaters, then it's the side heights Atmos doesn't have). There is more cohesion potential there, but if no one encodes for it (most Auro-3D cinema soundtracks were just conversions from Atmos versions), what does it matter? You might as well ask for floor speakers for things under your feet too. It could be done, but it wouldn't get much use.

Of course, all three formats could have played nice with each other and added support for the difference speaker layouts (DTS:X Pro does just that, supporting speakers from both layouts combined, but until it's released en masse, it doesn't make any difference either and most people won't be able to afford a system/layout that uses that many speakers anyway).
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