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post #1051 of 2036 Old 03-17-2016, 08:58 PM
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You're willing to spend $700 more to get an audio format right now that has almost no supporting content?
Lol so before you try to make a witty counter why not do a little research on the Denon line and some of their receivers that are between 800 and 1000 that will be or has gotten the DTSX update already.

So yes for Im willing to spend $300 more as I bought that unit when it was $700.00 for a better overall avr.

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Lol so before you try to make a witty counter why not do a little research on the Denon line and some of their receivers that are between 800 and 1000 that will be or has gotten the DTSX update already.



So yes for Im willing to spend $300 more as I bought that unit when it was $700.00 for a better overall avr.

What $800 to $1000 Denon receiver has gotten the DTSX update? Those receivers are also waiting for the update like the Onkyos.
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You're willing to spend $700 more to get an audio format right now that has almost no supporting content?
It's because of the lack of DTS:X content that I'm not more concerned about not getting the update. I only have one blu-ray that has DTS:X audio.

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It's because of the lack of DTS:X content that I'm not more concerned about not getting the update. I only have one blu-ray that has DTS:X audio.

Same here. Mine is Ex Machina and I don't think that movie would even make good use of the height speakers. Which movie do you have?
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Lol so before you try to make a witty counter why not do a little research on the Denon line and some of their receivers that are between 800 and 1000 that will be or has gotten the DTSX update already.

So yes for Im willing to spend $300 more as I bought that unit when it was $700.00 for a better overall avr.
$1499 denon x4200 is the lowest that has DTS X update. $1000 x3200 doesn't and it is not known when it will be released

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Software will increase overtime, but for now it's not about the content, it's all about the upmix quality of Atmos and Dts:X that made me upgrade.

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Same here. Mine is Ex Machina and I don't think that movie would even make good use of the height speakers. Which movie do you have?
I have the same movie and I thought it was sort of slow.

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for the 646 problem where the sound cuts out for a few seconds, does this seem like a problem that can get fixed with a firmware update? I find this very annoying. a few nights ago I was watching The Fast and the Furious on my cable TV box and it was happening about every 15 minutes. I, like the cars in the movie, was furious.

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I have the same movie and I thought it was sort of slow.
Ex Machina is an excellent movie but not one for any kind of sound demo, 70% of the movie is a dialogue for God's sake

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I have the same movie and I thought it was sort of slow.

It is relatively slow, but I expected that going into it and enjoyed it anyway. But definitely not a title to show of immersive audio.
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Just thought I would share my experience with the TX-NR646. I returned my first unit as it set my Studio 60s and CC590 Center to 200 Hz after the firmware update (initially they were correctly set to Large). One of the reasons I considered the TXNR-646 is the ability to adjust the Crossovers independently. I exchanged it for a Denon AVR-S910W and subsequently returned the Denon for numerous Network and USB issues. I repurchased the TX-NR646, updated the Firmware and ran AccuEQ again. It still sets my Crossovers at 200 Hz. I am keeping the TXNR-646 as I believe it Sounds better than the Denon (or anything else at it's Price Point). So for a quick review...

Pros of TX-NR646 vs. AVR-S910W:
- Better overall Sound Quality. Particularly in the Mid Range.
- Networking and USB Features work flawlessly (Spotify Connect, DSD Playback via USB, etc.).
- AKM 32-bit/384 kHz DAC.
- AccuEQ does not down res to 48 kHz like Audyssey.
- HDMI Pass Through retains OSD for Volume and does not affect Picture Quality (Denon's would not work on my Roku 4 w/ 4K).

Cons of TX-NR646 vs. AVR-S910W:
- Audyssey Auto-Calibration works correctly vs. current implementation of AccuEQ.
- Audyssey set the Sub Output correctly. AccuEQ sets it way too high. +6 db in my case.
- Audyssey Dynamic EQ is much more effective than the Dolby Loudness Management in the Onkyo.
- Denon's Remote App (using Android) is more polished.
- Denon's OSD is much nicer.
- Only 3 HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2 Inputs for the Onkyo.
- No 4K Up-conversion.

...my primary needs were having HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2 for 4K, 24-bit/192 kHz FLAC/DSD Playback via USB, Spotify Connect and good Sound Quality. I am more focused on Music than Surround Sound. My overall impressions of the Receiver Market is that although Features continue to improve and Price Points continue to drop, the quality control is in dramatic decline since 2008. I actually expect a product to have an issue at this point when I purchase it. Hope this helpful. YMMV.
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Just thought I would share my experience with the TX-NR646. I returned my first unit as it set my Studio 60s and CC590 Center to 200 Hz after the firmware update (initially they were correctly set to Large). One of the reasons I considered the TXNR-646 is the ability to adjust the Crossovers independently. I exchanged it for a Denon AVR-S910W and subsequently returned the Denon for numerous Network and USB issues. I repurchased the TX-NR646, updated the Firmware and ran AccuEQ again. It still sets my Crossovers at 200 Hz. I am keeping the TXNR-646 as I believe it Sounds better than the Denon (or anything else at it's Price Point). So for a quick review...

Pros of TX-NR646 vs. AVR-S910W:
- Better overall Sound Quality. Particularly in the Mid Range.
- Networking and USB Features work flawlessly (Spotify Connect, DSD Playback via USB, etc.).
- AKM 32-bit/384 kHz DAC.
- AccuEQ does not down res to 48 kHz like Audyssey.
- HDMI Pass Through retains OSD for Volume and does not affect Picture Quality (Denon's would not work on my Roku 4 w/ 4K).

Cons of TX-NR646 vs. AVR-S910W:
- Audyssey Auto-Calibration works correctly vs. current implementation of AccuEQ.
- Audyssey set the Sub Output correctly. AccuEQ sets it way too high. +6 db in my case.
- Audyssey Dynamic EQ is much more effective than the Dolby Loudness Management in the Onkyo.
- Denon's Remote App (using Android) is more polished.
- Denon's OSD is much nicer.
- Only 3 HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2 Inputs for the Onkyo.
- No 4K Up-conversion.

...my primary needs were having HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2 for 4K, 24-bit/192 kHz FLAC/DSD Playback via USB, Spotify Connect and good Sound Quality. I am more focused on Music than Surround Sound. My overall impressions of the Receiver Market is that although Features continue to improve and Price Points continue to drop, the quality control is in dramatic decline since 2008. I actually expect a product to have an issue at this point when I purchase it. Hope this helpful. YMMV.
I had the 545 and then traded it in for the 747 and I have also noticed that the AccuEQ is not accurate. Between the two I have ran it multiple times, using a camera stand for the mic in my primary listening position, and each time I have gotten different results. They will be similar but never the same.
I only do this when no one is home and everything is silent.

The crossovers are always set very high and when I use the settings on all speakers it sounds very anemic. I noticed this by changing it to On except for fronts and right away I could here sounds that were getting EQ'd out. Sounds of birds or tinkling glass, basically the ambient noises that give you that immersive feeling. I don't understand how any type of room calibration would consider eliminating a bulk of the ambiance good.

I use it now with the EQ either "off" or "on except front" settings.

I also adjust my crossovers down. I know the specs on a speaker are exaggerated sometimes but I know all of my speakers are very capable down to 80hz. The exception is my center which hits its +/-3db point at 82hz. I have it set at 90hz and in turn my sub is set at 90hz. All others are set at 80hzTHX.

The only point I can say is accurate is the distance measurements. It usually sets my sub a few feet further than it is but I've read that's due to the timing delay of having to go through a separate amplifier in the sub.

In my opinion the AccuEQ is an inexpensive way for Onkyo to say it has room EQ features like all the others without actually using the more costly Audyssey.

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Yep when I had the 646 Accueq would also set the crossovers too high like 200hz. My SVS Primes towers are much more capable than that. Anyhow an agent from Onkyo said he would send me a new mic as the mic was most likely the cause. Well by then I had returned the 646 so I never knew if it was the mic after all but now that you guys are mentioning the same issues with high crossovers I can say its Accueq and not a mic issue.
What are the chances that everyone here has a mic issue.

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Yep when I had the 646 Accueq would also set the crossovers too high like 200hz. My SVS Primes towers are much more capable than that. Anyhow an agent from Onkyo said he would send me a new mic as the mic was most likely the cause. Well by then I had returned the 646 so I never knew if it was the mic after all but now that you guys are mentioning the same issues with high crossovers I can say its Accueq and not a mic issue.
What are the chances that everyone here has a mic issue.

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Yep when I had the 646 Accueq would also set the crossovers too high like 200hz. My SVS Primes towers are much more capable than that. Anyhow an agent from Onkyo said he would send me a new mic as the mic was most likely the cause. Well by then I had returned the 646 so I never knew if it was the mic after all but now that you guys are mentioning the same issues with high crossovers I can say its Accueq and not a mic issue.
What are the chances that everyone here has a mic issue.

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I believe it's the current Firmware that is at fault as mine worked correctly prior to the update. Did you have the new firmware installed prior to running AccuEQ with your Towers? I have an email into Onkyo and may try to roll back the Firmware. For now, I can just treat it like it's 10 years ago and set the Levels with my SPL Meter but would prefer not to. In my experience only the Yamaha comes close in Sound Quality but is still behind the Onkyo (again, IMO). I would have to pay more than double for the Marantz SR5010 and it would still bring all of my concerns with the Denon's Networking Features back into the mix. Based on my options (or lack thereof) I will deal with the AccuEQ issues provided everything else continues to work as well as it does.
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Hi all,

I just picked up the Onkyo 646 over the weekend. What is the current firmware version? I tried to update, but it said I already had the most recent version. Thanks in advance!
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Got my refurb 646 about a month ago (for $482 total) and this thing is great!
Went from an old H/K, so I finally dropped the optical connection for HDMI, and my custom 1080p 120hz resolution passes through the AVR without issue (receiver says Resolution Err, but works anyway). Grabbed a few cheap satellite speakers to finish out a 7.2 channel setup. Woo!






Not sure if I updated the firmware (I probably did), so mine shows version 1040-2030-0102
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I think it is Version 1040-2030-0102

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I just picked up the Onkyo 646 over the weekend. What is the current firmware version? I tried to update, but it said I already had the most recent version. Thanks in advance!
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HELP!

I'm a newbie to the NR646. I set every thing up and plugged the main out into HDMI 4 of my Samsung 78HU9000, which is the ARC input - BUT I'M GETTING NO SOUND AT ALL. I hope you guys are not annoyed by a basic question like this, but I don't know what to do at this point. Thanks
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Did you go into TV menu AND receiver menu and turn on ARC? I don't use ARC since my Bluray player has all the smart apps and I use cable and not an antenna.

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I'm a newbie to the NR646. I set every thing up and plugged the main out into HDMI 4 of my Samsung 78HU9000, which is the ARC input - BUT I'M GETTING NO SOUND AT ALL. I hope you guys are not annoyed by a basic question like this, but I don't know what to do at this point. Thanks
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Did you go into TV menu AND receiver menu and turn on ARC? I don't use ARC since my Bluray player has all the smart apps and I use cable and not an antenna.
I'm in the setup menu of the AVR -- where is ARC located. Don't see it
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Here is a video that will walk you through it.


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Sorry, don't have that on the HU9000. When I go to 6.2 on the AVR, all I have is

HDMI CEC (RIHD) --I have this on ON

HDMI Standby through -- I have this on AUTO (ECO)


In setuo menu, number 6 is HARDWARE and 2 is HDMI -- So I'm in 6.2 and no ARC listed.
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So what's the difference between the nr747 and the nr 757 that's coming out in may? Also what's the diff between the nr646 and the 747? Does the THX certified make a big difference?

Did they ever fix their previous hdmi board issues, and overheating issues?

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So what's the difference between the nr747 and the nr 757 that's coming out in may? Also what's the diff between the nr646 and the 747? Does the THX certified make a big difference?

Did they ever fix their previous hdmi board issues, and overheating issues?

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The 747 is 2"deeper and weighs 4lbs more so evidently has a more robust power supply for managing the amps.

It is THX Select2 certified. THX Select2 Certified products are for medium sized rooms, up to 2,000 cubic feet in size, with a 10-12 foot viewing distance from the screen.

What that means is below.


THX Certified Audio products are designed to let you experience movies the way they were meant to be heard. On every THX Certified AV Receiver the “0” on the volume dial represents THX Reference Level, a setting designed to mirror the exact volume level used by moviemakers and sound artists in the studio.

When you are watching a movie with the playback volume set to “0” on a THX Certified Receiver, you experience every sound element exactly like it was produced by the filmmaker—with the same fidelity, detail and clarity.

What Is Reference Level?
Manufacturing receivers and speakers that can achieve THX Reference Level is no simple task. It requires a tremendous amount of power to drive an audio system effortlessly without clipping or distorting. To ensure the audio products can reach this peak performance, THX developed a set of standards as part of its THX Ultra2, THX Select2 and I/S Plus certifications.

Experience Studio Clarity: THX Certified Receivers reproduce studio Reference Level, 85dB SPL with 20dB of headroom.
Reference Level for your Room: THX Ultra2 Plus, THX Select2 Plus and THX I/S Plus certification categories deliver Reference Level performance in your specific room size.
Distortion-free Playback: THX Certified Receivers and speakers are designed to recreate Reference Level with minimal distortion.
Listening Below Zero
Of course, there is a downside to watching all of your films at Reference Level—it is often too loud for your neighbors. But, when you lower the volume level, bass sounds, surround effects and other sound elements can be lost or perceived differently. To correct this, THX developed a technology called THX Loudness Plus, which lets you experience the rich details of a movie or game soundtrack without driving your neighbors crazy.

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Sorry, don't have that on the HU9000. When I go to 6.2 on the AVR, all I have is

HDMI CEC (RIHD) --I have this on ON

HDMI Standby through -- I have this on AUTO (ECO)


In setuo menu, number 6 is HARDWARE and 2 is HDMI -- So I'm in 6.2 and no ARC listed.
So are you using ARC over Optical audio for the simplicity (a single cable) or are you trying to get the HD audio (if ARC even supports these formats yet - when I was researching last year, it still did not)? If it's the latter, would you actually notice the difference with your speakers (not sure what you have)?

I have the TX-646 and the Sammy JS8500...so a similar setup. The ARC setup was way too tedious, so I went with an optical cable back to the receiver and haven't missed a beat.

For the time being, *most* content available via OTA, cable/sat, on streaming is 5.1, so you're going to rely on the 646 to upmix to 7.1 anyway...you might want to consider just running optical. I'm making the assumption (based on your signature) that your UHD BD player and Roku 4 are running through the receiver and you are solely using them for your movies/streaming. In other words, you're really just looking for your cable/OTA content sound to be passed from your TV to receiver. None of which broadcast in anything higher than 5.1 - so I'd highly recommend going with an optical cable.

Having said that - make sure you're plugged in to the ARC out on the Sammy (HDMI 4, if it's like the JS8500) and make sure you've enabled it within the TV (called Anynet+, I believe).

And also make sure to try a different HDMI cable - just in case. You never know!

Hope it works out.

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Scroll down while in 6-2 HDMI after setting HDMI CEC to ON and HDMI Standby through to AUTO, you will see Audio Return Channel on the next page after scrolling down.

After making the changes, power off your components and then turn them back on one by one.

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Sorry, don't have that on the HU9000. When I go to 6.2 on the AVR, all I have is

HDMI CEC (RIHD) --I have this on ON

HDMI Standby through -- I have this on AUTO (ECO)


In setuo menu, number 6 is HARDWARE and 2 is HDMI -- So I'm in 6.2 and no ARC listed.

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Great analysis. I would do it exactly as you described if it were me. I think some people are trying to eliminate running two cables to the TV and believe that ARC works correctly.

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So are you using ARC over Optical audio for the simplicity (a single cable) or are you trying to get the HD audio (if ARC even supports these formats yet - when I was researching last year, it still did not)? If it's the latter, would you actually notice the difference with your speakers (not sure what you have)?

I have the TX-646 and the Sammy JS8500...so a similar setup. The ARC setup was way too tedious, so I went with an optical cable back to the receiver and haven't missed a beat.

For the time being, *most* content available via OTA, cable/sat, on streaming is 5.1, so you're going to rely on the 646 to upmix to 7.1 anyway...you might want to consider just running optical. I'm making the assumption (based on your signature) that your UHD BD player and Roku 4 are running through the receiver and you are solely using them for your movies/streaming. In other words, you're really just looking for your cable/OTA content sound to be passed from your TV to receiver. None of which broadcast in anything higher than 5.1 - so I'd highly recommend going with an optical cable.

Having said that - make sure you're plugged in to the ARC out on the Sammy (HDMI 4, if it's like the JS8500) and make sure you've enabled it within the TV (called Anynet+, I believe).

And also make sure to try a different HDMI cable - just in case. You never know!

Hope it works out.
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So what's the difference between the nr747 and the nr 757 that's coming out in may? Also what's the diff between the nr646 and the 747?
Go HERE and select each model and then click "compare".
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I just purchased my Onkyo TX-NR646 factory refurb last week to replace my Yamaha RX 675 whose processor board went out THREE times in the four years I've owned it. I had always thought that the Yamaha was great -- it was my first step away from the HTIB solution I used before -- but the whole time I was slightly underwhelmed and just assumed that I didn't have what it took to really appreciate good audio. The only reason I didn't pick up a current model from Yamaha to replace it is because I felt the quality of the components were obviously not that great, considering how many trips to the repair shop I made.
And then I picked up this Onkyo (for $349!) and experienced my living room take on a whole new life with great sound from music and TV! I didn't know what I was missing. I'm not an audiophile and I don't have expensive components, but I thoroughly enjoy music and movies with my new system. Someday maybe I'll get that 4K TV and some highish-end speakers, but for now, I'm enjoying my:
  • LG 60" Plasma - $650 (Costco, 2013)
  • Onkyo TX-NR646 AVR - $349 Refurb (Accessories4Less)
  • Pioneer SP-FS52 Front RL Speakers - $79 ea. (Amazon)
  • polkaudio TL1900 Blackstone 5.1 Speakers - $200 open box (Best Buy)
  • PS3, XBox 360, TiVo, PC, etc.
I almost never pay full price for this kind of thing. For instance, the Pioneer speakers were in my Amazon cart for about 3 months before they temporarily dropped from $129 to $79 each. A friend of mine is a musician and self-described audiophile (I think this terms gets thrown around too much) and told me his AVR and speakers cost over $6000. I can't see (or hear) where that money is going relative to my current set up. All I know is that his satellite speakers can be pushed harder.
Anyway, back to topic: I am impressed and quite happy with my new purchase of the Onkyo TX-NR646.
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