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post #4441 of 9745 Old 07-24-2017, 01:12 PM
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Maybe it isn't? Not certain.

It would definitely be a bummer though if they rolled out a new replacement for the AVM 60 and the only material change was HDMI 2.1. I'd rather pay a reasonable sum to replace that part than buy an entirely new unit.
I certainly don't see why it couldn't be this way, though I've never torn the thing apart. A board swap in theory should not be difficult at all. I know I'd appreciate that.

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DirecTV will usually provide Dolby Digital 5.1, but occasionally 2.0.

I would expect at least that from Netflix or Vudu but I don't use either so I can't say with certainty.
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I don't use Vudu either, but exactly right about Netflix, same thing.
If the Anthem receiver is showing "Dolby D+ 3/2" from these streaming services... is that different from Dolby Digital 5.1? Did our installer possibly set it up incorrectly? And if Vudu/Netlix via Roku are not the best streaming for surround sound, what is better other than DVDs?
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If the Anthem receiver is showing "Dolby D+ 3/2" from these streaming services... is that different from Dolby Digital 5.1? Did our installer possibly set it up incorrectly? And if Vudu/Netlix via Roku are not the best streaming for surround sound, what is better other than DVDs?
That is Dolby Digital Plus. It is a newer development of DD. You are fine. Nothing wrong with your set-up.

Start reading here for some recent discussion of DD+:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...l#post54495017

Others will have to comment on streaming service quality. I don't stream.
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If the Anthem receiver is showing "Dolby D+ 3/2" from these streaming services... is that different from Dolby Digital 5.1? Did our installer possibly set it up incorrectly? And if Vudu/Netlix via Roku are not the best streaming for surround sound, what is better other than DVDs?
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That is Dolby Digital Plus. It is a newer development of DD. You are fine. Nothing wrong with your set-up.

Start reading here for some recent discussion of DD+:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...l#post54495017

Others will have to comment on streaming service quality. I don't stream.
Yup, it sounds like everything is functioning properly.

I saw your original post. If you have 7 speakers and would like to use all of those, you can also opt to activate "Dolby Surround" via the "mode" button on the Anthem remote and this will upmix any five channel sources to use all seven of your main speakers instead of just the five.

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Regarding lip sync...

I've got a Marantz 7702 and I've just about had it with lip sync issues. "Auto lip sync" doesn't work worth a damn with my LG OLED65EP. Source is a tivo bolt / time warner cable.

Can anyone describe if their AVM 60 can actually do auto lip sync? And it actually works? Even better if you have experience mating it with a 65E6P.

Thanks very much in advance!
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Regarding lip sync...

I've got a Marantz 7702 and I've just about had it with lip sync issues. "Auto lip sync" doesn't work worth a damn with my LG OLED65EP. Source is a tivo bolt / time warner cable.

Can anyone describe if their AVM 60 can actually do auto lip sync? And it actually works? Even better if you have experience mating it with a 65E6P.

Thanks very much in advance!
It does do auto lip-sync but I've never used it.

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If audio is heard before its corresponding image is seen, you can set up to 300 milliseconds
of audio delay ?? set using synchronization test disc or trial and error. Movies are not always
the best test because sounds including dialog are usually re-recorded after the filming is
completed, and can be slightly out of sync at various points in the recording. Adjustment
can also be made while viewing material after pressing the Lip-Sync button.

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Auto lip sync

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It does do auto lip-sync but I've never used it.

Per the manual:
You can see my confusion. Yes, I read that passage in the manual, but it doesn't actually say the word "auto" anywhere. The manual isn't clear if anything other than manual adjustment is supported.

You have confirmed that the AMV60 *does have auto lip sync" - thanks. Hopefully others that have actually used it can chime in and let me know if it actually works or not.

Thanks in advance to anyone who can share their experience. I would just hate to spend another 2k+ purchase and auto lip sync still not work.
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You can see my confusion. Yes, I read that passage in the manual, but it doesn't actually say the word "auto" anywhere. The manual isn't clear if anything other than manual adjustment is supported.

You have confirmed that the AMV60 *does have auto lip sync" - thanks. Hopefully others that have actually used it can chime in and let me know if it actually works or not.

Thanks in advance to anyone who can share their experience. I would just hate to spend another 2k+ purchase and auto lip sync still not work.
"Auto" lip sync has to be explicitly supported by both the TV and the receiver. Even then, it's still useless for several reasons. TVs that support auto lip-sync don't send the exact latency with the various options enabled/disabled. If I remember correctly, the very few TVs that support it just respond with a fixed delay number (or something like that).

The real reason auto lip sync is useless, is the content. There' s no consistency. Even the same movie can be perfectly synced for some scenes, and noticeably off for others.

I try to find a delay setting that passes the eye test (or is close enough) across a 5-10 movie sample.

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I ran into an issue two nights ago. When pausing "The Fate and the Furious" UHD disc (DTS:X track), when hitting play there would be a loud "POP" from the front left speaker. If I switched language tracks, the pop would go away when unpausing. Going back to the DTS:X track and hitting play, the POP would return. First time I've had this issue.



Ralph Potts and I exchanged emails and he has the exact setup that I do with the exception of his pre/pro (He uses a Marantz 8802A) and he didn't experience the same issue with his setup and disc. Has anyone else had this happen with a DTS:X track?


Dave,

I just did this on my setup and didn't heard the Pop.
Currently, I am using the panasonic dmp ub900.
I tested several times and nothing...maybe is an issue with the oppo and the anthem.



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Dave,

I just did this on my setup and didn't heard the Pop.
Currently, I am using the panasonic dmp ub900.
I tested several times and nothing...maybe is an issue with the oppo and the anthem.



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Figured I'd cross post here as I'm not sure this is an LG C7 issue...

Also worth noting I'm on the .074 firmware
Just did some testing here with my 1120 and oled c7 same problem with ARC sound

My 1120 is on .74 and my tv is on 3.51.20

Changed the HDMI cable - no change

Dug out my Denon x2100w - no problem auto out or PCM out on the TV both worked

The firmware on the denon was well old - updated via the net to the latest version retested and still the denon worked fine

So the good news looks like it is a Anthem not an LG problem, hopefully Anthem will be more pro active than LG in finding the solution

If I get a chance later (if it works ) I will try going back to .067 on the anthem and see how that works
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Just did some testing here with my 1120 and oled c7 same problem with ARC sound

My 1120 is on .74 and my tv is on 3.51.20

Changed the HDMI cable - no change

Dug out my Denon x2100w - no problem auto out or PCM out on the TV both worked

The firmware on the denon was well old - updated via the net to the latest version retested and still the denon worked fine

So the good news looks like it is a Anthem not an LG problem, hopefully Anthem will be more pro active than LG in finding the solution

If I get a chance later (if it works ) I will try going back to .067 on the anthem and see how that works


Wow! Thanks for putting in all that leg work.

Similar results with another Anthem owner in the C7 thread also. That makes three of us, so I assume it's on Anthem's end.

I reached out to Anthem tech support so we'll see what happens...

It wouldn't even be a huge deal, but at this point in time, if you want to use both Dolby Vision and Atmos from Netflix (and I really just care about the DD+ core anyway), there is literally no other way to do it.

None of the streaming boxes have been updated for DV yet, so you're having to pick between DV and DD+ if you don't use the built in C7 apps.

Being an Anthem owner a week now, I guess it's time to test drive the tech support team =)

Thanks again for all that effort on your end. Very much appreciated. Makes me feel better and that it wasn't a simple setup issue.

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Well unlike some others Anthem DOES allow firmware downgrade !!!

So my 1120 is now on .067 and YES ARC works fine for Dolby Atmos from the Dolby demo app on the LG

So it really looks like .074 is the problem
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Well unlike some others Anthem DOES allow firmware downgrade !!!

So my 1120 is now on .067 and YES ARC works fine for Dolby Atmos from the Dolby demo app on the LG

So it really looks like .074 is the problem


Haha, but doesn't work for DV passthrough.

Man oh man.

Well maybe I should do that then since I'm using the tv apps anyway. Does that overwrite your ARC file if you roll back firmware?

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Does that overwrite your ARC file if you roll back firmware?
No my ARC settings remained intact

It is a blow to loose DV with 067 but I hope it is only until Anthem can sort it out

Any one with this problem should get in touch with anthem support

https://www.anthemav.com/support/contact-us.php
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No my ARC settings remained intact

It is a blow to loose DV with 067 but I hope it is only until Anthem can sort it out

Any one with this problem should get in touch with anthem support

https://www.anthemav.com/support/contact-us.php
Good to know. I'm not sure what I'll do. If I roll back it solves the Netflix issues (and saves me from buying a Roku Ultra) but then when I pick up a 203 very soon, DV won't pass through.

Decisions, decisions...

I'll cross post your experience back to the C7 owner's thread. There's at least one other person who will want to know to know!

E: Annnnnnd just realized the person in the other thread was also you.

lol.

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Ok,
So after reading these posts maybe that is why Anthem pulled the new firmware update so fast? I have a C7 and am not on the new 7 update and yes Netflix works via the internal LG apps passing both DV and Atmos via ARC through my 1120.

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Ok,

So after reading these posts maybe that is why Anthem pulled the new firmware update so fast? I have a C7 and am not on the new 7 update and yes Netflix works via the internal LG apps passing both DV and Atmos via ARC through my 1120.



Regards

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It must be something about the new firmware then. Maybe that's why it isn't publicly available yet.

Odd that mine shipped with that firmware but it isn't available on Anthem's site.

And the DV passing wouldn't be an issue for you, since the signal is being generated by the TV, so no passing to/through the AVM needed from a video perspective

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Be careful with 3 foot cables. Believe it or not, they can cause issues. 6 feet should be your minimum cable length.
I have not seen any technical paper that qualifies a 6 ft HDMI cable as the minimal length.
I asked AudioQuest about their opinion and received this answer:
Whoever said that is entitled to their opinion, but our view is simply that shorter is better. A 1.0 m. Chocolate HDMI cable will work every bit as well as a 2.0 m. cable.
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I asked AudioQuest about their opinion and received this answer:
Whoever said that is entitled to their opinion, but our view is simply that shorter is better. A 1.0 m. Chocolate HDMI cable will work every bit as well as a 2.0 m. cable.
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I've personally never had a problem when I've used short cables, but people I trust have had issues with them and I believe what they have told me that by switching to a two meter cable their problem went away.
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Hi everybody,

I've pulled the trigger on a MRX1120, it should be in my HT soon.
I have a few questions, which I posted in the MRX720/1120 tread a while ago, but since its about ARC and dual subs, they recommended to ask the questions here.

My question is how to set the distance for my subs?
I have dual subs (Monitor Audio Silver 12'), one sub is about 2 meters behind MLP and the other is about 4 meters in front.
I had a Marantz 6010 before with dual sub EQ which measured the distance to each sub individually.

-Do I set the distance of each sub individually on the 1120?
-I read somewhere that I can only set ONE distance to the sub(s) on the 1120, and I should use the average distance to the subs, but will that be correct?
-Also, the subs have inbuilt DSPs, should I add a small distance to compensate for that?
-What about phase settings on the sub, does someone have a simple way to ensure that the phase is set correctly? Or do I have to worry about the phase at all?

I wish I could find a step-by-step instructions how to do this ))

Sorry if this has been covered before.
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Hi everybody,

I've pulled the trigger on a MRX1120, it should be in my HT soon.
I have a few questions, which I posted in the MRX720/1120 tread a while ago, but since its about ARC and dual subs, they recommended to ask the questions here.

My question is how to set the distance for my subs?
I have dual subs (Monitor Audio Silver 12'), one sub is about 2 meters behind MLP and the other is about 4 meters in front.
I had a Marantz 6010 before with dual sub EQ which measured the distance to each sub individually.

-Do I set the distance of each sub individually on the 1120?
-I read somewhere that I can only set ONE distance to the sub(s) on the 1120, and I should use the average distance to the subs, but will that be correct?
-Also, the subs have inbuilt DSPs, should I add a small distance to compensate for that?
-What about phase settings on the sub, does someone have a simple way to ensure that the phase is set correctly? Or do I have to worry about the phase at all?

I wish I could find a step-by-step instructions how to do this ))

Sorry if this has been covered before.
I have 2 subs..
Each sub is different distance from main listening position..
I first set each sub(one at a time) spl level to 72db,
Then set phase control.. I used my front sub at 0 degrees (as it's on same wall as front speakers), Thrn played bass heavy material and set the phase on rear sub until I had the most output.. It tuned out back sub wad best at 180 degrees which made sense..

I then set combined spl to 75db at main listening position.

To set distance.. I start with the average distance of both subs.. (sub 1 plus sub 2 then divide by 2) = average distance..

Thrn, to fine tune, play bass hevy music in 2 channel stereo, Then increase sub distance while music is playing...
As you adjust you will find a point where the bass gets louder and stronger.. Fine tune distance in that zone when you find it...

I had to to set my subs distance to 30 feet even though the average distance was 12 feet..
At 30 feet it sounded anazong..

Hope this helps you get started..

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Has anyone tried Dolby Atmos from an Xbox One? I can set the mode just fine on the console but instead of lighting up as Atmos, it says "MultiCh 3/4".

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Has anyone tried Dolby Atmos from an Xbox One? I can set the mode just fine on the console but instead of lighting up as Atmos, it says "MultiCh 3/4".

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E: https://twitter.com/majornelson/stat...atmos-dts-x%2F

Looks like there's also a box you need to tick in the blu ray app settings as well.

E2: Was bitstream never a thing in the Xbox before? I know PS4 only does onboard decoding also, just surprised neither had an option to bitstream out.

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I've personally never had a problem when I've used short cables, but people I trust have had issues with them and I believe what they have told me that by switching to a two meter cable their problem went away.
This all started sounding very familiar, and then I remembered this link:

http://www.lumagen.com/docs/Tip0019_...tes_091713.pdf

The section "Use the right HDMI cables" offers an explanation, though I leave that to others with more experience to say whether it makes sense.
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Short HDMI cables that are 1 meter (3 feet) long can cause problems. Most HDMI transmitter
chips have a built in equalizer circuit that boosts the signal level to compensate for losses in the
cable. A cable that is too short, can deliver a signal that is too strong, and overwhelm the input
of the HDMI receiver chip. If you have short HDMI cables and are experiencing intermittent
problems, a longer cable can make a more reliable connection. It’s a good practice to use good
quality generic HDMI cables that are a minimum length of 2 meters (6 foot) long.
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This all started sounding very familiar, and then I remembered this link:

http://www.lumagen.com/docs/Tip0019_...tes_091713.pdf

The section "Use the right HDMI cables" offers an explanation, though I leave that to others with more experience to say whether it makes sense.
Addendum

Documents like the one linked can be of some value, but this one seems incomplete to me. Which chip(s) and products experience this problem? Is this a legacy equipment kind of issue that more current gear isn't likely to see? What kind of abnormal behaviors occur with this issue? 'Overwhelming the input' is vague and doesn't say much about how to diagnose problems.

My system has 3' BJC Series-FE cables running from an Oppo 203, a Roku Premiere+ and a HTPC to the AVM 60, and then an 8' BJC Series-FE cable from the AVM 60 to an LCD panel. It all seems work well so keeping the 3' cables falls in the category of not fixing what isn't broken.

For people in the market for cables today, it's not clear what the right thing to do is. The extra length isn't particularly expensive but it does add to the cable mess behind the rack. It would be great to be able to make a data driven decision but the data doesn't seem to be out there. There are lots of articles about maximum HDMI cable length but nothing about minimum length.

I long for the day when cables will be unnecessary.
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If your sub amps don't have a delay setting and your subs are not equidistant apart you will need a Minidsp 2x4 to set delay and phase on the subs first. The connection will like look like the following (Anthem>minidsp 2x4>subs) This will allow you to dial the subs in much better than the Denon unit even though it has two sub measurements. You can use quick measure in ARC to dial the Minidsp unit in live which is nice. Do a search on Minidsp 2x4 guide by Austin Jerry. It has screen shots that will walk you through process step by step.
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My system has 3' BJC Series-FE cables running from an Oppo 203, a Roku Premiere+ and a HTPC to the AVM 60, and then an 8' BJC Series-FE cable from the AVM 60 to an LCD panel. It all seems work well so keeping the 3' cables falls in the category of not fixing what isn't broken.

For people in the market for cables today, it's not clear what the right thing to do is. The extra length isn't particularly expensive but it does add to the cable mess behind the rack. It would be great to be able to make a data driven decision but the data doesn't seem to be out there. There are lots of articles about maximum HDMI cable length but nothing about minimum length.
I too have a 3' BJC FE cable, but it's only running from my Xfinity box to the AVM60, so nothing UHD to worry about there, so at least in this duty there is absolutely no issue. Oppo to AVM and AVM to the display are 7' (only needed the 6', but 7' was officially premium certified before the 6' was, so....) A bit on the long side, 6' would have been perfect, but ain't changing them now since I've got them nicely tied up to the rack and they work. Though I do like to keep cables as short as possible whenever I can to minimize the spaghetti factory action.

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