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Does Arc work with two subs? Didn’t work for me.
What kind of setup are you doing with the subs prior to running ARC? You want to set the gain on each sub so that they match each other (i.e. they both measure 72-75 dB when measured separately). Then when measured together, they should measure 75-80 dB. Take manual measures with ARC with only one sub turned on at a time and adjust each one's level so they match one another. If ARC works fine up until it gets to the subs, my guess is that they're either too soft or too loud.

One other tip for subs in general, especially important when setting up multiple subs -- if your subs have built-in room correction, run that first on both subs before running ARC.
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What day does the new ARC arrive?

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What day does the new ARC arrive?
Anthem said April, but didn't state a specific date.
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Anthem said April, but didn't state a specific date.
Cool, thanks. I set a reminder for myself to poke around, but didn't see a date anywhere.

Curious what they mean by "improved algorithms". I wonder if there will be any difference aside from a cooler looking platform with a few more options.

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Cool, thanks. I set a reminder for myself to poke around, but didn't see a date anywhere.

Curious what they mean by "improved algorithms". I wonder if there will be any difference aside from a cooler looking platform with a few more options.
Sounds like it's also more like Dirac and REW (with a miniDSP) where you can take a measurement and adjust the target curves and even make adjustments to individual speakers without re-running everything from scratch. I think one of the articles said it was totally new not just a new UI .


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Does anyone have a good resource where you can order the rack kit for the AVM60?

Edit - I see just finding a good dealer is where I should start.

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Sounds like it's also more like Dirac and REW (with a miniDSP) where you can take a measurement and adjust the target curves and even make adjustments to individual speakers without re-running everything from scratch. I think one of the articles said it was totally new not just a new UI .


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Are you saying I need to buy a miniDSP to fully utilize it?

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If you were looking to buy one of these used, what would do you think would be a fair price? $2500?
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Are you saying I need to buy a miniDSP to fully utilize it?
Oh no I'm saying if it is what I think it it is, it sounds like it will do what Dirac or REW (combined with a miniDSP) will do, but without buying anything at all. Sounds like with ARC Genesis I won't need REW + my miniDSP anymore.
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Oh no I'm saying if it is what I think it it is, it sounds like it will do what Dirac or REW (combined with a miniDSP) will do, but without buying anything at all. Sounds like with ARC Genesis I won't need REW + my miniDSP anymore.
Ok, now you've got me excited.
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Cool, thanks. I set a reminder for myself to poke around, but didn't see a date anywhere.

Curious what they mean by "improved algorithms". I wonder if there will be any difference aside from a cooler looking platform with a few more options.
I also am curious about what is meant by "improved algorithms". Is it simply faster but sounds the same? Sounds better? Or did someone simply refactor the code? Hard to know what this means!

Just one more upgrade and things will be perfect.
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Oh no I'm saying if it is what I think it it is, it sounds like it will do what Dirac or REW (combined with a miniDSP) will do, but without buying anything at all. Sounds like with ARC Genesis I won't need REW + my miniDSP anymore.
I thought that the hardware in the AVM 60 treated the 2 subwoofer ports as 1, with a single timing and PEQ. If so the it will not replace the need for miniDSP if you have multiple subs located at different distances from the MLPs.

Also REW does much more than analyze the frequency response of the speakers in the room. It also measures distortion, impulse response, decay with waterfall and spectrogram, RT60, etc.. I am really looking forward to using ARC on my Mac and being able to use some of new features, but I also anticipate I'll still need REW for fine tuning the room.

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I thought that the hardware in the AVM 60 treated the 2 subwoofer ports as 1, with a single timing and PEQ. If so the it will not replace the need for miniDSP if you have multiple subs located at different distances from the MLPs.

Also REW does much more than analyze the frequency response of the speakers in the room. It also measures distortion, impulse response, decay with waterfall and spectrogram, RT60, etc.. I am really looking forward to using ARC on my Mac and being able to use some of new features, but I also anticipate I'll still need REW for fine tuning the room.
Very true the AVM 60 and MRX series treat the subs as one and it's also true it won't replace the miniDSP for everyone, but for me it will because both my subs are the same distance from the MLP. As for REW, I use it for the initial measurement and then use it's EQ screen to build a house curve and take more measurements until I get it right and then to import that into the miniDSP.

I also use REW to gain match my subs but that's a one a time thing and that could also be done with my SPL meter instead of the one in REW or I could break out the UMIK-1 and REW for that if I need too. I don't really use most of the features in REW so while I know it won't replace REW and the miniDSP for everyone, but for my needs and what I use REW and the miniDSP for it at least sounds like it could replace them for me.

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Very true the AVM 60 and MRX series treat the subs as one and it's also true it won't replace the miniDSP for everyone, but for me it will because both my subs are the same distance from the MLP. As for REW, I use it for the initial measurement and then use it's EQ screen to build a house curve and take more measurements until I get it right and then to import that into the miniDSP.

I also use REW to gain match my subs but that's a one a time thing and that could also be done with my SPL meter instead of the one in REW or I could break out the UMIK-1 and REW for that if I need too. I don't really use most of the features in REW so while I know it won't replace REW and the miniDSP for everyone, but for my needs and what I use REW and the miniDSP for it at least sounds like it could replace them for me.
My 2 identical subs are also the same distance from the MLPs and symmetrical in the room, and they also have 8 bands of PEQ built in, so I haven't felt the need for a miniDSP. When REW suggests the need for EQ of the subs, I dial the same setting into both subs and keep the gains the same, then test again. When I am happy with what I can do with REW and the sub's PEQ, I let ARC have a run at the fine tuning. Very much looking forward to doing that on my Mac!
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My 2 identical subs are also the same distance from the MLPs and symmetrical in the room, and they also have 8 bands of PEQ built in, so I haven't felt the need for a miniDSP. When REW suggests the need for EQ of the subs, I dial the same setting into both subs and keep the gains the same, then test again. When I am happy with what I can do with REW and the sub's PEQ, I let ARC have a run at the fine tuning. Very much looking forward to doing that on my Mac!
I kind of have to do it the opposite way. I run ARC first (even though Anthem recommends EQing first). I run ARC first and then EQ with the miniDSP, because I have a house curve and if I ran ARC after EQing and building the house curve ARC would just flatten my house curve.
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If you were looking to buy one of these used, what would do you think would be a fair price? $2500?

If you have no other choice but to pay MSRP, then maybe. Really depends. How old is it? Is it complete with all the packaging, accessories, etc.?

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Dears,

I'm a new owner of an OLED TV which happens to have HDR10+.

Is AVM60 able to passthrough HDR10+? I know it's stated for HDR, HLG and DV, but what about HDR10+?

Did anyone here succeed on playing HDR10+ over it?

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I'm a new owner of an OLED TV which happens to have HDR10+.

Is AVM60 able to passthrough HDR10+? I know it's stated for HDR, HLG and DV, but what about HDR10+?

Did anyone here succeed on playing HDR10+ over it?

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Unsure, but if not, a firmware update should fix that.

There's so little HDR10+ right now.

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Unsure, but if not, a firmware update should fix that.



There's so little HDR10+ right now.
Yep, but you probably know how it works. My new toy needs to be tested.

I have "Bad Times at The Al Royale" to test it. I'll plug my Oppo 203 straight to the TV to see if it's working. Oppo recognizes the stream as HDR10+, but the Output is HDR10 when connected to AVM60. I'll check my firmware version to see if it's the latest one.

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Yep, but you probably know how it works. My new toy needs to be tested.

I have "Bad Times at The Al Royale" to test it. I'll plug my Oppo 203 straight to the TV to see if it's working. Oppo recognizes the stream as HDR10+, but the Output is HDR10 when connected to AVM60. I'll check my firmware version to see if it's the latest one.

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I would email Anthem, too. Unfortunately, as a projector guy, I can't get DV or 10+ anyway.

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You may have trouble finding used units, but I think that $2500 would be too high. If you get a friendly dealer I think you "should" be able to get a new unit for between $2500 and $2600.

I'm in Canada so my market conditions are somewhat better with Anthem being a Canadian company. The Cdn MRSP is about $500 less than the USA MRSP when converted to a common currency. I got an extra discount when I bought my AVM 60 because I also bought an amplifier at the same time. I paid about $2670 Cdn (plus our 11% taxes). This works out to about $2100 USD. I doubt you get get a price near this good, but you should be able to get similar discount from an aggressive US dealer.

I also checked the used market here, but currently there is no units listed on https://www.canuckaudiomart.com/ which is the best Canadian site for used components. I have seen some in the past and they usually listed for around $2300 Cdn.

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I will, thanks.

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I will, thanks.

Just did the test here and Oppo to TV plays HDR10+.

I have the option of running two cables, one for video straight to the TV and then other for audio only at AVM60, but I would really like running only one cable.

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I will, thanks.

As a married guy I can't get a projector! WAF = zero.
It was my wife who first convinced me to go with a projector, but that was almost 20 years ago. At the time we were using a rear projection set, big at that time, maybe 40" or 50"! I wanted something bigger and she said, there must be a better way of watching TV that bigger and bigger boxes dominating the room. I said, how about a projector mounted on the ceiling at the back of the room and a screen at the front of the room that rolls up and down. She said, "great". Been with a projector ever since, and my wife!

Today flat panel displays don't dominate the room like the old RPTVs, but there is still something to be said for a screen that disappears into the ceiling.
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Anthem was pretty fast on replying my request.


Unfortunately, not with the best news:


"At this time I do not have any information regarding whether or not the AVM 60 will offer an update to offer HDR10+ in the future. I apologize for any inconvenience. "
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Anthem was pretty fast on replying my request.


Unfortunately, not with the best news:


"At this time I do not have any information regarding whether or not the AVM 60 will offer an update to offer HDR10+ in the future. I apologize for any inconvenience. "
I'm sure Anthem, like a lot of companies, wants to see this war play out first like all the others.

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Anthem was pretty fast on replying my request.


Unfortunately, not with the best news:


"At this time I do not have any information regarding whether or not the AVM 60 will offer an update to offer HDR10+ in the future. I apologize for any inconvenience. "

Chances are the Samsung-developed HDR10+ will fade away as HLG gains traction. HLG is broadcast-friendly and is the only HDR format that is. HLG is also compatible with SDR televisions.

HDR10+ may survive, but Anthem is wise to hide in the grass and wait to see what shakes out. Adding 10+ capability may open a can of worms that will compromise performance with DV.

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I kind of have to do it the opposite way. I run ARC first (even though Anthem recommends EQing first). I run ARC first and then EQ with the miniDSP, because I have a house curve and if I ran ARC after EQing and building the house curve ARC would just flatten my house curve.
Major response anomalies should be taken care of very first before ARC. While doing so, don't build the house curve, just fix any major peaks. You should then run ARC and let it flatten out the response further. Only after ARC should you go back in and apply your low shelf boost to get your house curve back. This is far and away the best process as it keeps ARC from being too aggressive, as well as allowing you the ability to just defeat the house curve in your mini and re-run ARC if you need to for whatever reason...then just "Unmute" the low shelf again when you are done.

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Major response anomalies should be taken care of very first before ARC. While doing so, don't build the house curve, just fix any major peaks. You should then run ARC and let it flatten out the response further. Only after ARC should you go back in and apply your low shelf boost to get your house curve back. This is far and away the best process as it keeps ARC from being too aggressive, as well as allowing you the ability to just defeat the house curve in your mini and re-run ARC if you need to for whatever reason...then just "Unmute" the low shelf again when you are done.
Any major anomalies have already been taken care of with placement of my dual subs using quick measure. I then run ARC and then I build my house curve.

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Any major anomalies have already been taken care of with placement of my dual subs using quick measure. I then run ARC and then I build my house curve.
That's why I said only "Major" anomalies. Goodonya that the dual setup and good positioning already mitigates that. These are the first and foremost design suggestions and should be taken into account long before ANY type of EQ is done, manual OR auto.

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