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If you successfully ran ARC, then it sounds like you must already have the AVM 60 up and running on your network. If already hardwired, then no need to use Wi-Fi. In fact Wi-Fi will be disabled if hardwired.
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If you successfully ran ARC, then it sounds like you must already have the AVM 60 up and running on your network. If already hardwired, then no need to use Wi-Fi. In fact Wi-Fi will be disabled if hardwired.


Are you sure? I have an MRX720 - hardwired, but wi-fi still works (eg PlayFi updates, running/uploading Genesis)
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If you successfully ran ARC, then it sounds like you must already have the AVM 60 up and running on your network. If already hardwired, then no need to use Wi-Fi. In fact Wi-Fi will be disabled if hardwired.
The unit was hard wired during all the set-up (borrowed a LAN cable), don't trust wifi for any firmware or software updates on any equipment.
Yes, it is up & running, but needed that ethernet wiring for other equipment since the AVM does not directly stream apps, wifi will play-fi.
I just went to my router interface & it shows an address for ethernet LAN and one for wifi now xxxx.175 & xxxx.179.
When I posted my question, it did not. So something set while working with it but never acknowledge the wifi connection. I'm guessing that it is now connected. Have no idea what I did to make it connect.
Wireless "status" LED is illuminated (rear, top, right corner), can't tell if it's green or yellow.

Well, that issue seems solved.
Thank you both for your replies.

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Did I mention it sounds really good.
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Yeah... 1 trigger is kinda bogus and my Moon Titan's don't daisy chain...
But I was able to work around it.

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Are you sure? I have an MRX720 - hardwired, but wi-fi still works (eg PlayFi updates, running/uploading Genesis)
Sorry, I misspoke. AVM does appear to support both wired and wireless. Most devices support only one connection, with wired usually trumping wireless.
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The unit was hard wired during all the set-up (borrowed a LAN cable), don't trust wifi for any firmware or software updates on any equipment.
Yes, it is up & running, but needed that ethernet wiring for other equipment since the AVM does not directly stream apps, wifi will play-fi.
I just went to my router interface & it shows an address for ethernet LAN and one for wifi now xxxx.175 & xxxx.179.
When I posted my question, it did not. So something set while working with it but never acknowledge the wifi connection. I'm guessing that it is now connected. Have no idea what I did to make it connect.
Wireless "status" LED is illuminated (rear, top, right corner), can't tell if it's green or yellow.

Well, that issue seems solved.
Thank you both for your replies.

I believe I'll really like this pre/pro, even though it does not have everything wanted/needed; it's workable. (only 1 trigger, really?)
Did I mention it sounds really good.

The AVM 60 often seems to require a bit of nudge to acquire network address. If power has been removed from the AVM (unplugged from the wall), I seem to have to go into setup, network settings, and sit there until it acquires an IP. After that, the network settings seem stable when powering off/on with the remote or front power button.


My AVM worked well for the first 6 or so months I had it, then started losing wired network settings, and was requiring all sorts of cajoling to reacquire the IP. Anthem provided me a beta version of their firmware almost a year ago that to this day would appear to be more current than what is on their website. This updated version more or less solved all network issues, though, I still have to go into setup/network settings for it to acquire an IP after it has lost power.


With how flakey the AVM network settings are, I personally would only hardwire the AVM, even if that means adding a network hub by your equipment stack. It will provide more stability should you wish to stream Play-Fi, especially for anything above 44k. Unfortunately, for anything above 44k, it would seem that you need to use a wireless Android client, which then becomes the weak link, and can quickly exceed your wireless bandwidth. But if the AVM is hardwired, at least you only have one weak link. Play-Fi has several FAQ's encouraging one to use wired connections if using above 44k, and shows that for 196k, wired is the only way to go. Unfortunately, whoever wrote their FAQ's wasn't in synch with what their developers built, as with multiple tests I have found the Android Play-Fi app will only run with Wi-Fi on the client end. Bone heads.
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Sorry, I misspoke. AVM does appear to support both wired and wireless. Most devices support only one connection, with wired usually trumping wireless.
No worries.
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Has anyone done any A/B testing between the AVM 60 and MRX 1120?

I'm looking to connect either the AVM or MRX to an external 2-ch amp for driving Paradigm Persona 3Fs.

In this particular 2-ch music scenario (using both as pre-amp), is there any noticeable difference in sound? They are very revealing speakers so if there is a sound quality difference, they will probably identify it.
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Has anyone done any A/B testing between the AVM 60 and MRX 1120?

I'm looking to connect either the AVM or MRX to an external 2-ch amp for driving Paradigm Persona 3Fs.

In this particular 2-ch music scenario (using both as pre-amp), is there any noticeable difference in sound? They are very revealing speakers so if there is a sound quality difference, they will probably identify it.
They are the exact same unit outside of one having an amplification section and one not. Since you don't plan to use it at all, then go for the avm60.

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They are the exact same unit outside of one having an amplification section and one not. Since you don't plan to use it at all, then go for the avm60.
The 1120 would allow me to give the surround amp the boot, but the AVM 60 may have the edge on SQ (due to less electrical noise from amp, maybe better output with XLR). If there's no audible difference tho, I'd go 1120.
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The 1120 would allow me to give the surround amp the boot, but the AVM 60 may have the edge on SQ (due to less electrical noise from amp, maybe better output with XLR). If there's no audible difference tho, I'd go 1120.
To build on what Beast has said, yes they should sound identical and the only reasons I would choose AVM over MRX is if you have very long signal runs where the AVM balanced connections could be a benefit, or if you plan on all external amplification. And if you only plan on using the surround amp channels in the receiver, you may even decide to go with a MRX 720 and save some money. Power supply is the only real difference between 720 and 1120 if not factoring in amplifier power.
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I want to give some kudos to Anthem's service. I just got my AVM-60 and am setting it up. I installed the latest firmware but then could not get either Wifi or Ethernet to connect to my network. After a 5 minute phone call with Anthem's technical support they set me instructions on how to upgrade PlayFi manually which fixed all of the network problems. When I called I only had to go through one menu to speak with a tech support agent.
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They are the exact same unit outside of one having an amplification section and one not. Since you don't plan to use it at all, then go for the avm60.
I was under the impression that the AVM 60 had a slightly better quality of components compared to the MRX series?
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I was under the impression that the AVM 60 had a slightly better quality of components compared to the MRX series?
That was the case with the Anthem Statement processors when MRX first arrived, but not with the AVM60. The D/A converters, chassis, displays, etc. are all the same now between MRX and AVM with the exceptions noted previously. This is why the price point came down so far for the AVM60 processor...shared technology and components allowed the price drop.

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I want to give some kudos to Anthem's service. I just got my AVM-60 and am setting it up. I installed the latest firmware but then could not get either Wifi or Ethernet to connect to my network. After a 5 minute phone call with Anthem's technical support they set me instructions on how to upgrade PlayFi manually which fixed all of the network problems. When I called I only had to go through one menu to speak with a tech support agent.

Yeah, they are very good this way. I much prefer an actual phone call than email support - it's faster and cuts to chase when you can just have a conversation, with somebody actually in North America...

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That was the case with the Anthem Statement processors when MRX first arrived, but not with the AVM60. The D/A converters, chassis, displays, etc. are all the same now between MRX and AVM with the exceptions noted previously. This is why the price point came down so far for the AVM60 processor...shared technology and components allowed the price drop.
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I joined the multi-sub miniDSP bandwagon finally. I really got my subs smooth with miniDSP prior to running ARC Genesis. I had no problems and it really helped flesh out the bass on both movies and music to have the dual subs integrated with the miniDSP and speaking to the AVM60 through a single subwoofer output.

One question I have is that even after leveling everything, ARC Genesis sets all my speaker adjustments from +5 to +12 based on a system reference of 75db. I don't really understand why ARC Genesis is going so high. My subs are +12 as are my front L+R my surrounds are +7 and rears are +5. It just seems to be at the top of the headroom and I don't want clipping.

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I joined the multi-sub miniDSP bandwagon finally. I really got my subs smooth with miniDSP prior to running ARC Genesis. I had no problems and it really helped flesh out the bass on both movies and music to have the dual subs integrated with the miniDSP and speaking to the AVM60 through a single subwoofer output.


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One question I have is that even after leveling everything, ARC Genesis sets all my speaker adjustments from +5 to +12 based on a system reference of 75db. I don't really understand why ARC Genesis is going so high. My subs are +12 as are my front L+R my surrounds are +7 and rears are +5. It just seems to be at the top of the headroom and I don't want clipping.
The gain settings have no bearing on headroom. If you reduce all the settings by 10, and advance the volume by 10, it's exactly the same headroom.

But I do not know why ARC does that, either. What I have thought was that if the spread in gains is too wide, it gets forced to try boosting another 10 dB. Do you have any channels that are in the gain range less than zero?

Maybe try the easiest thing -- add 6 dB or so to the subwoofer level (either on the sub amps themselves or with the MiniDSP). Then run ARC again and see if that affects the gain settings of the main channels.

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The gain settings have no bearing on headroom. If you reduce all the settings by 10, and advance the volume by 10, it's exactly the same headroom.

But I do not know why ARC does that, either. What I have thought was that if the spread in gains is too wide, it gets forced to try boosting another 10 dB. Do you have any channels that are in the gain range less than zero?

Maybe try the easiest thing -- add 6 dB or so to the subwoofer level (either on the sub amps themselves or with the MiniDSP). Then run ARC again and see if that affects the gain settings of the main channels.
I may try, but right now I am pretty happy with the sound on music (which is what I listen to most critically). I know my family is sick of me running REW and ARC Genesis, so I will probably live with my current setup for a while. ARC Genesis is doing a good job with my setup. Thanks for the ideas. If I get the bug to mess with a good thing, I will try changing the sub level with miniDSP and seeing what ARC does when I run it. I used to believe we aim for a 75db reference for the testing (which I had). If ARC Genesis does an upgrade, I will try it out, but as I said, the current sound is really good to my ears.

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I used to believe we aim for a 75db reference for the testing (which I had). If ARC Genesis does an upgrade, I will try it out, but as I said, the current sound is really good to my ears.
If it sounds good, don't fix it.

The only reason one calibrates the volume control for 75 dB is so it's easy to know the playback level relative to cinema standard. Otherwise it is of no importance.

If you have an SPL meter, and want to know how your volume control is calibrated, click on this link to download a zip file I posted in another AVS thread. It is an MP3 file, 5 seconds of "THX style" bandlimited pink noise, then 5 seconds of sine wave, both at -30 dBFS. Unzip it and play it from a USB or however you play MP3 files -- turn on looped playback if you want it to repeat. It is stereo format with only the L channel having signal. The noise section should produce 75 dB SPL. Ignore the sine wave.

If the volume control is indeed calibrated, your SPL meter will read 75 dB when the volume is set to 0. But you may find that ARC has set it such that you'll see 85 dB at 0. That happened to me so I dropped all the cals by 10.

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Read somewhere that some use an AC Infinity fan for their AVM60.

Why would you need cooling fans for a preamp?

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Read somewhere that some use an AC Infinity fan for their AVM60.

Why would you need cooling fans for a preamp?
Obvious answer: to keep it from getting too hot.

Longer answer: The AVM 60 installation spec calls for a minimum of 8" or air space above. That is not always practical and temperature above a certain point will lessen the lifetime of your electronics.

I have my AVM 60 inside a closed front, open backed cabinet. Looks nice. I have air from an AC vent in the floor of the room putting cool filtered air into the space below the cabinet and then a fan below the AVM 60 pulling air into that compartment and a back exit AC Infinity T8 taking the air out the top of the AVM 60 and out the back of the cabinet. Perhaps overkill, but the air out of the AVM is rarely over 82° F.

If the AVM 60 is in an open rack with lots of breathing room, likely no need for an AC Infinity.
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Just want to sing the praises of professional audio and video calibrator, Chad B. (http://www.hdtvbychadb.com)!
I recently had him come to my home for his "Advanced Audio Calibration" service for my AVM 60-controlled home theater. I tried to do what I could on my own but Chad really opened up my sound and got my dual subs (SVS PB-2000) totally locked in. And he used his measurements to set up custom profiles with and without gain and for 2-channel music listening. Attached is PDF of my final settings and profiles. I know my set up and settings are unique to me and my space, but I highly recommend his services. I enjoy my home theater even more!
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Obvious answer: to keep it from getting too hot.

Longer answer: The AVM 60 installation spec calls for a minimum of 8" or air space above. That is not always practical and temperature above a certain point will lessen the lifetime of your electronics.

I have my AVM 60 inside a closed front, open backed cabinet. Looks nice. I have air from an AC vent in the floor of the room putting cool filtered air into the space below the cabinet and then a fan below the AVM 60 pulling air into that compartment and a back exit AC Infinity T8 taking the air out the top of the AVM 60 and out the back of the cabinet. Perhaps overkill, but the air out of the AVM is rarely over 82° F.

If the AVM 60 is in an open rack with lots of breathing room, likely no need for an AC Infinity.
I just don't notice them getting that warm at all. It's just passing through video and the audio muscle is in the amps.

I have AC Infinity fans on both my amps.

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Just want to sing the praises of professional audio and video calibrator, Chad B. (http://www.hdtvbychadb.com)!
I recently had him come to my home for his "Advanced Audio Calibration" service for my AVM 60-controlled home theater. I tried to do what I could on my own but Chad really opened up my sound and got my dual subs (SVS PB-2000) totally locked in. And he used his measurements to set up custom profiles with and without gain and for 2-channel music listening. Attached is PDF of my final settings and profiles. I know my set up and settings are unique to me and my space, but I highly recommend his services. I enjoy my home theater even more!
ChadB did my video, and yes, he's excpetional.

I notice you have a lot of +12 levels in your report, which is problematic.

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50 Hz seems a little low for crossover - according to measurements.

4.5 dB for room gain is also a little questionable. In my system, even 3 dB is not good for midbass.

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@erizock is obviously very happy with the way his system sounds now with what Chad did for him.

Why cant you guys just let him be happy... and enjoy it.

You guys are terrible and have no idea what's going on in his room.

I'm sure Chad set things the way they are for a reason... after all he does know what he's doing..right?

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Read somewhere that some use an AC Infinity fan for their AVM60.

Why would you need cooling fans for a preamp?
For me it's not so much the 60 as it is the rest of the gear in the cabinet. For me it's the Dtv box, Panny ub820 and the OPPO-203 that make all the heat. My amplifiers are out on the floor... much too handsome to be hiding in a cabinet...that's if they would fit in a cabinet..lol

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Hello all,

I have an issue with Dolby Atmos processing that I think is related to the AVM60. I am currently watching The Martian 4K BluRay via an Oppo-203 which is feeding my AVM60 that is running a 5.1 system (height and back channels are OFF in the AVM60 speaker configuration).

When playing the Dolby Atmos audio track the main dialog audio is routed to the left surround channel rather than the center channel. This occurs when the HDMI audio output from the Oppo is set to Auto. When I switch the Oppo HDMI audio output to LPCM, the audio is routed correctly.

Anyone have any ideas what is going wrong? Is there a setting I am missing? I attempted to switch surround modes on the AVM60 when the Oppo was sending the undecoded Atmos signal to the AVM60, but it was locked to "Dolby Atmos" in the Anthem OSD. Normally I have it set to "Dolby Surround."

I have noticed similar weird channel routing when running audio tests from the AIX Records Audio Calibration Disc.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
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