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Exclamation DTS:X delays new AVMs?

now with the actual desaster of DTS:X where the software for decoders is delayed by an undefined time/period - but probably next year at the earliest - will that affect the new Anthem AVM and MRX as weill?
is Anthem reconsidering Aureo3d now? whats the development on that end anyways?

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^ dtsX is not affecting our production schedule. When available, it will be added as a running software update.
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^ dtsX is not affecting our production schedule. When available, it will be added as a running software update.
good to know, thx for that.
more and more the audio gear adapts the mechanisms of the IT industry, somehow i don't really look forward to that.
An escape to software related incompatibilities and shortenend lifetime of products could be in the resurgence of a separate components philosophy. Wasn't that the DNA of Anthem some time ago?
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An escape to software related incompatibilities and shortenend lifetime of products could be in the resurgence of a separate components philosophy. Wasn't that the DNA of Anthem some time ago?
That's why I don't find any value in built-in streaming functionality in AVRs and SSPs, they're invariably inferior to what's available elsewhere and usually out of date before the product ships.
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An escape to software related incompatibilities and shortenend lifetime of products could be in the resurgence of a separate components philosophy. Wasn't that the DNA of Anthem some time ago?
Tube amp kits if you go back far enough. Not all media player modules are built the same and the tech, features, and convenience have come a long way. It's also a way of adding wireless ARC and IP control. Status quo is no reason to walk away from new advancements - it's why they happen.

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Tube amp kits if you go back far enough. Not all media player modules are built the same and the tech, features, and convenience have come a long way. It's also a way of adding wireless ARC and IP control. Status quo is no reason to walk away from new advancements - it's why they happen.
FWIW, I'm glad to see newer, modern connections and wifi ARC and IP control are surely welcome additions. But I seriously doubt I'd use any streaming features since they are likely to be so far behind what I already have.
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....Status quo is no reason to walk away from new advancements - it's why they happen.
I still consider the MRX line a rather new direction, there was a "dedicated blue ray player" also at times.
Now there is nothing wrong in adding new functionalities in same device, nor to axe some technologies that aren't needed anymore. I just think it is the most critical decisions to be made. Especially in light of software/firmware dependencies bound to other parties it is not an easy decision and sometimes it may be wiser to leave it to "other boxes" either foreign or own branded ones...
I do appreciate Anthem receivers and processors getting network capabilities as rendering devices, i don't think added player functionalities is a good path to follow. For the new surround tech i hope there is enogh flexibility on Anthems hardware and the software team to cope with the rough ride until toothing problems have been ironed out in general...
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Any info on the Video Processor? Features? I wonder if this would obviate the "need" for my Lumagen (though I guess I do sort of still need the auto cal/3D LUT).
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Which version of ARC is the best...Statement D2v 3D or AVM 60?

I didn't read the full thread; which model/brand DACs are employed in the AVM 60?
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Curious:
1) Why is the estimated price of the AVM 60 so much lower than the AVM 50v 3D? I thought this was to be basically a new model replacing the 50, or maybe the big brother to it, so would have thought priced same or even higher?

2) The article says the release date is January 2016. Darn...I'm planning on having one installed in Mid December... Anyone know if that date is firm, or might I be able to get one sooner?

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Curious:
1) Why is the estimated price of the AVM 60 so much lower than the AVM 50v 3D? I thought this was to be basically a new model replacing the 50, or maybe the big brother to it, so would have thought priced same or even higher?

2) The article says the release date is January 2016. Darn...I'm planning on having one installed in Mid December... Anyone know if that date is firm, or might I be able to get one sooner?

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Curious:
1) Why is the estimated price of the AVM 60 so much lower than the AVM 50v 3D? I thought this was to be basically a new model replacing the 50, or maybe the big brother to it, so would have thought priced same or even higher?

Thanks.
Not that it matters where its made but I guess being made in Vietnam could be a reason( Cheaper Labour ), maybe. The 50 if Im correct is made in Canada.
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Which version of ARC is the best...Statement D2v 3D or AVM 60?
just for the ease of use the new one is way better and the only way to go, but the audible difference will be neglible, i'm pretty much sure. The DAC is unknown yet (AFAIK)...
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just for the ease of use the new one is way better and the only way to go, but the audible difference will be negligible, i'm pretty much sure.
The DAC is unknown yet (AFAIK)...
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* Just a guess (about the DACs): AKM. ... @Nick @ Anthem would know.

** The Anthem AVM 50v 3D was/is made in Canada.

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Possible AKM model number DACs in the Anthem AVM 60 pre/pro:

- AK4490EQ -> Stereo DAC (Premium "Verita") x 6 DAC chips = 12 channels (7.1.4)
- AK4495EQ -> Stereo DAC (Premium "Verita") x 6 DAC chips (7.1.4 for 12 channels)
- AK4495SEQ -> Stereo DAC (Premium "Verita") x 6 DAC chips (11.2-channel = 12 channels as the .2 counts for one LFE channel)

- AK4456VN -> 6-ch DAC on one single chip (Premium "New Generation) x 2 DAC Chips (12 channels)
- AK4458VN -> 8-ch DAC on one chip (Premium "New Generation") + AK4454VN -> 4-ch DAC on one chip (Premium "New Gen") = 12 channels

*** Nick from Anthem would know. ...And all the model number DACs above are 32-bit/768kHz resolution (rating/capable).

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The Official Anthem AVM 60 thread

^ Irrelevant if the analog stage sucks. The analog stages in the D2 and AVM-50 didn't suck, and weren't cheap.

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^ Irrelevant if the analog stage sucks. The analog stages in the D2 and AVM-50 didn't suck, and weren't cheap.
I highly doubt that the AVM 60 has an analog stage that "sucks".
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just for the ease of use the new one is way better and the only way to go, but the audible difference will be neglible, i'm pretty much sure.

While I agree that the ARC differences will be minor, the D2v and 50v are still the best. However the analog and build quality differences may not be negligible. You need to consider the entire complete preamp.

Also I am happy to use a serial cable instead of an Ethernet cable.

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.. the D2v and 50v are still the best. However the analog and build quality differences may not be negligible... happy to use a serial cable instead of an Ethernet cable.
AFAIK Nick stated that the new AVM ARC will be more capable than the current MRX line, while the latter one was almost as good as the 50v for most who could compare, especially when limiting the ARC range to subwoofer freq only, for example in case you don't want to change charakteristics of ur expensive speakers in bass freq and up.
For the analog section it's true, we only will know once these new ones have been tested trhoughly and there is a good chance it wont be better or worse but different
The serial cable works fine in case it works, but has brought up most newbie questions in the past and most laptops today don't have the interface anymore. So yea that change is IMHO the most crucial for our new Anthem evangelists, while the debate over sound quality can - and will - go on forever.
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Is the ARC version different between the AVM 60 and the MRX line?

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It's the same.



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I think only to incorporate the additional channels. Other than that it will likely be the same 5k Hz limit on the MRX line that distinguished it from the AVM/D series.


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It's the same.
yea, i read that too, but i thought it was in the context of the new x20 MRX and the new AVM60. I forgot where we had discussions about differences in Anthem ARC. Maybe it was like i just remembered that MRX first series was not as good as MRXx10 which already made a good step towards AVM50 in terms of DSP signal correction capabilities... i might have just mixed it up with the new discussions.... but MRXx20 and AVM60 come at least with more channels and new DSPs, how that turns out for signal eq capabiliteis in detail? i'm still not clear what to expect. Rule of thumb was on the last iterations, there was hardly any good reason to upgrade just for the new ARC sound quality only. Nick?
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^ Irrelevant if the analog stage sucks. The analog stages in the D2 and AVM-50 didn't suck, and weren't cheap.
What is the basis for even speculating at this early state that the analog stages are subpar, or, to use more industry accepted terminology, "suck"?

I don't see enough data points to even wildly speculate about quality one way of the other, unless I've missed a post somewhere...

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What is the basis for even speculating at this early state that the analog stages are subpar, or, to use more industry accepted terminology, "suck"?

I don't see enough data points to even wildly speculate about quality one way of the other, unless I've missed a post somewhere...
I said "if" and the point was that studying spec sheets of DAC chips is pointless as the actual implementation and rest of the circuits and software are much more important. I think Anthem would agree with that.

Anthem did not earn their reputation by spec'ing the latest and greatest chipset. They earned it for their analog designs and build quality back when they were partnered with Sonic Frontiers, which they nailed wonderfully with the AVM & Statement D series.

I think a more relevant question is what are the chances the analog side is going to live up to their legacy at the new lower price point and new off-shore manufacturing facility?
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* Nick, which model DACs are in the AVM 60?

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I said "if" and the point was that studying spec sheets of DAC chips is pointless as the actual implementation and rest of the circuits and software are much more important. I think Anthem would agree with that.

Anthem did not earn their reputation by spec'ing the latest and greatest chipset. They earned it for their analog designs and build quality back when they were partnered with Sonic Frontiers, which they nailed wonderfully with the AVM & Statement D series.

I think a more relevant question is what are the chances the analog side is going to live up to their legacy at the new lower price point and new off-shore manufacturing facility?
It's different in that it uses an AVR-LSI rather than the old AVM/D discrete circuitry. I suspect without knowing that on paper the best true pre-pros (AVM/D, Bryston, Classe) will measure better. The ampless AVR allows a much lower price. I doubt a difference will be heard except from the eyes.

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Looking forward to play-fi integration and a new approach to multiple zones and online control. Hopefully it sounds as good as my AVM 50.

Nick, how many zones will the AVM 60 support?

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Jamey are you doing the avm50, or the 50v?
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Disappointed that it only has one 12v trigger output. Would a splitter with 2 2.5mm jacks work?

Edit: Looks like the Emotiva ET3 would do it. Kind of kludgy though.

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