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Anyone knows if the X6200W model will be made in Japan?

Thats of importance to me.

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Anyone knows if the X6200W model will be made in Japan?

Thats of importance to me.
The X5200W is made in Japan so reasonable to expect it's successor the X6200W to be made in Japan as well, yes.
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X4200W pre-ordered! Now comes the long wait..

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Just read on Sound and Vision both 3200 and 4200 be out in August.
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The item of note is that the X4200W in addition to using the more advanced Audyssey MultEQ XT32 will also be featuring a 32 bit DAC vs. 24 bit on the lower models.
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The item of note is that the X4200W in addition to using the more advanced Audyssey MultEQ XT32 will also be featuring a 32 bit DAC vs. 24 bit on the lower models.
Hmm, makes things interesting, the X4200W then makes a decent pre and combine it with an Outlaw-7125 makes it a worthy pairing vs. maybe a X7200WA? You loose a few things like ALR32 and such but could be a nice combo to then make it easier to swap out AVRs more frequently.

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Hmm, makes things interesting, the X4200W then makes a decent pre and combine it with an Outlaw-7125 makes it a worthy pairing vs. maybe a X7200WA? You loose a few things like ALR32 and such but could be a nice combo to then make it easier to swap out AVRs more frequently.
If you're going to use it as a pre/pro then you have to ask if it's worth spending a few hundred bucks extra for the Marantz AV7702 MkII. Slightly more expensive but you get 11ch capability plus balanced outputs and higher grade analog circuitry (Marantz's proprietary HDAM stuff).

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If you're going to use it as a pre/pro then you have to ask if it's worth spending a few hundred bucks extra for the Marantz AV7702 MkII. Slightly more expensive but you get 11ch capability plus balanced outputs and higher grade analog circuitry (Marantz's proprietary HDAM stuff).
That's true as well. But that is not out for a few more months, a shame as had the AV7702II been out now I would have done that combo over the X7200WA.

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That's true as well. But that is not out for a few more months, a shame as had the AV7702II been out now I would have done that combo over the X7200WA.
Keep buying and returning X7200WAs until the 7702 is released...

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I did pick up a x1200w from Crutchfield. I must say, this unit is way better than the Sony and Pioneers Elite receivers I have used in the past. For real. If you subtract all the advanced 'stuff' the old units don't have - the Denon still 'just sounds better' - night/day. I could go and try to find the reasons, but I'd rather watch movies and listen to my newest receiver.

Plus, I had no problem with the rear IR input with my Xantech remote extender.

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Looks like this is finally the year to upgrade my AVR and TV. I currently have a 7.1 setup in my media room and I'm going to add in-ceiling speakers for Atmos. Due the small size of the room, the couch being on the back wall, and fairly high ceilings, I'm thinking I only "need" two overhead speakers.

My question is, should I just add the two extra speakers to my current setup, giving me a 7.1.2 setup? Or would I most likely get the same benefit from a 5.1.2 setup? The major difference being whether or not I need to upgrade to the x4200, or if the x3200 will suffice. Having to add an additional power amp to the x4200 already had me leaning towards "settling" for the x3200.

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The X4200 has Audyssey XT32 with sub EQ HT, which has improved the room equalization filters applied to the important bass frequencies to what ever speaker setup you go with. Audyssey XT32 is superior to the lower version offered on the X3200 (this is Audyssey XT). To find out more between the different versions of Audyssey, AVS member Keith Barnes has written an in depth technical addendum here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...ml#addendumtop

A 7.1.2 setup has a slightly different surround speaker placement at about 90 deg to the Main Listening Position (MLP) compared to the 5.1.2 which will be further back around 120 deg to the MLP. Be sure the angles to the MLP is correct for either speaker setup to be successful for surround sound. Refer to the Denon owner's manual for pictorials.
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You will get a much better sound quality improvement by going with dual subs setup and placing them in their optimal locations within the room, then top it off with Audyssey XT32 room correction.
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Any major differences between the Denon 3200 and Marantz 5010?

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Any major differences between the Denon 3200 and Marantz 5010?

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The only one I see is HDMI and optical coax to zone 2 on the 3200
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910 ordered. almost got convinced to buy last years x3100 at a similar price, but decided the hdcp2.2 was worth the downgrade in other specs. Am i crazy?
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910 ordered. almost got convinced to buy last years x3100 at a similar price, but decided the hdcp2.2 was worth the downgrade in other specs. Am i crazy?
I think HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 is worth the wait. That will 4K proof you for a number of years to come. Until 8K comes and we need HDMI 3.0 and HDCP 3.0. LOL
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I think HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 is worth the wait. That will 4K proof you for a number of years to come. Until 8K comes and we need HDMI 3.0 and HDCP 3.0. LOL

I've always wondered at what point can the naked eye not discern the difference in resolution on a certain size screen. 4k to me just sounds like complete overkill unless you have a projector. At what point in the future will we have a top "naked eye resolution" vs something like 4k/8k.
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I've always wondered at what point can the naked eye not discern the difference in resolution on a certain size screen. 4k to me just sounds like complete overkill unless you have a projector. At what point in the future will we have a top "naked eye resolution" vs something like 4k/8k.
Well I can tell you that a 65" viewed at 8 feet, 4K is leaps better than 1080P. The amount of detail is amazing....eye popping in fact. Very glad I upgraded to my Samsung JS8500.
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910 ordered. almost got convinced to buy last years x3100 at a similar price, but decided the hdcp2.2 was worth the downgrade in other specs. Am i crazy?
Each has its merits:


S910W - HDCP 2.2, Atmos 5.2.2, DTS:X
X3100W - better version of Audyssey (MultEQ XT), extra year of warranty (3 years), Zone 2 HDMI output, HDMI/Digital audio to Zone 2 pre-outs/speaker posts, 7.2 pre-outs, Audyssey DSX (Front Wide/Height)
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Each has its merits:


S910W - HDCP 2.2, Atmos 5.2.2, DTS:X
X3100W - better version of Audyssey (MultEQ XT), extra year of warranty (3 years), Zone 2 HDMI output, HDMI/Digital audio to Zone 2 pre-outs/speaker posts, 7.2 pre-outs, Audyssey DSX (Front Wide/Height)
Thanks, thats helpful. Yeah, I feel good about the decision. Unless my 1 bedroom suddenly turns into a full brownstown, space is going to keep me from using a lot of the additional features...
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X3200W - Zone 2 HDMI output; HDMI/Digital audio --> Zone 2 pre-outs/speaker posts, Zone 2 (bass/treble,HPF, stereo/mono), 4k/60fps upscale/pass through, DSD over HDMI


SR5010 - 7.1 EXT IN, HDAM pre-amps (generally preferred for 2CH music listening), 4k/30 fps upscale/60fps pass through
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Thanks for the info.

I have a Denon 3100 now and love it. Looking for Atmos and DTS:X.

The Marantz appears to be a better piece of equipment.

Any thoughts to sway me one way or another?

Mostly for movies and streaming music.

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Bought the Onkyo 646 last week with a pair of CM8S2s - impressed until I tried AirPlay and got crackle through the both speaker channels. Just ordered the X1200W and hoping it will not behave the same. Am I missing out on anything by going Denon (virgin over here).
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Thanks for the info.

I have a Denon 3100 now and love it. Looking for Atmos and DTS:X.

The Marantz appears to be a better piece of equipment.

Any thoughts to sway me one way or another?

Mostly for movies and streaming music.

Thanks. (And JD rocks!)
Either model should work well. Select the one that best meets your feature/input/output requirements.
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If you're going to use it as a pre/pro then you have to ask if it's worth spending a few hundred bucks extra for the Marantz AV7702 MkII. Slightly more expensive but you get 11ch capability plus balanced outputs and higher grade analog circuitry (Marantz's proprietary HDAM stuff).
11 channels is a lot of external amps to buy. The nice thing about an AVR is you can get a good 5 channel external amp and then use the internal amps for the rest.
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You can amp the FL/FR mains only on the X6200W and X7200w; however, on the X4200W, you must also amp the Height 2 speakers as well.
I was wondering about this too, thinking about doing 5.2.4 with the X4200W. Is it possible to use one of the line-in on my present receiver denon avr-1610 to amp the Height 2 speakers?
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I was wondering about this too, thinking about doing 5.2.4 with the X4200W. Is it possible to use one of the line-in on my present receiver denon avr-1610 to amp the Height 2 speakers?
Yes, you can use another AVR as the external amp. Connect the HEIGHT2 pre-outs to one of the analog inputs on the 1610.


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X2200W, DSU with a DTS Source

Got my AVR-X2200W installed last night, with a 5.1.2 speaker config.... I like it! However, I was under the impression that that DTS source material would be decoded into X.Y sound and then the DSU could take over to upmix into Atmos. Dolby source material upmixes into Atmos just fine, but I see no option to upmix it to Atmos. In other words, when I play DTS source material, press "movie" and flip thru the options there is no dolby surround option, just DTS surround. Of course, now I can't find the reference that stated such a conversion was possible (if I do, I'll post it.) Anyway, does anyone know if/how that can be done?
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Question 2... My AVR-X2200W has the GUI overlay. However, I have a tough time getting it to actually appear on the TV! Basically, I have to turn off the power using the button on the AVR (not the remote) then turn it back on and press the set-up button first thing. If I switch inputs, the GUI disappears and it won't come back unless I turn-off then on the AVR again. Thankfully, I can get the settings via the web interface but whats the trick with the GUI?
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Got my AVR-X2200W installed last night, with a 5.1.2 speaker config.... I like it! However, I was under the impression that that DTS source material would be decoded into X.Y sound and then the DSU could take over to upmix into Atmos. Dolby source material upmixes into Atmos just fine, but I see no option to upmix it to Atmos. In other words, when I play DTS source material, press "movie" and flip thru the options there is no dolby surround option, just DTS surround. Of course, now I can't find the reference that stated such a conversion was possible (if I do, I'll post it.) Anyway, does anyone know if/how that can be done?
Just to clarify ... Atmos is a specific audio codec found on Atmos BDs. When you use the Dolby Surround upmixer (DSU) to simulate non-Atmos audio to the Height speakers, it's just that ... simulated height audio. Also as was reported in this thread last week (and now listed in the Issues post ##4 linked below), the 2015 models are unable to use DSU to simulate DTS HD audio to the height speakers. Rather until the DTS Neural:X simulator is loaded via a firmware update later this fall, you would have to select a DD audio track or standard DTS audio track (if either is offered on the BD).


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