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What percentage of people actually connect to a network?

I'm only wiring mine when i need firmware updates. . Other than that it is off network.

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I have a pair of JBL Sovereign I Type C60's in the back room. I run a second channel from my AVR to those and use my iPhone with Apple Airplay all the time so I have music all over the house. Incidently I have another pair of the JBLs in my Garage I use there.

This isn't my picture but this is what I have. For music they sound much better than my HT setup but they don't really integrate well in a HT since they are so large and I do not have the room for proper placement. Rather than run a separate source, dual zone is a better option for me at times. It's about convenience for my case. I can be doing stuff around the house and just call up songs from my Apple Music account. I do have higher quality audio sources but not with anywhere the selection or convenience. It just depends on how you intend to use the receiver's features.
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Hell of a deal... New, or refurb?

Also, how do you like your Acsends? Did you get the Ribbon Tweets? Thinking of getting the Acsends, with the ribbon tweeters as a Upgrade for my Infinity Betas.

Are you using the 6200, to power the 4 ohm Acsends?
The price is for a new x6200 unit. More specifically it was $1,539 + tax. I don't have the x6200 yet. It should be here the middle of next week.

I love my Ascends. I watch movies mainly and its better than going to the movies IMO (IMAX included). The Sierra Towers and Horizon center make for a fantastic front stage. I have the NrT tweeter and occasionally flirt with the idea of upgrading to the RAAL tweeter, but honestly it would be solely to satisfy my "what if" curiosity because I'm currently very happy. The Ascends are paired with a Rythmik E15HP and they blend seamlessly.

Ascend is currently developing a "sat" surround speaker that is smaller than the Sierra-1. It'll be available, I believe, in all tweeter types. Looking forward to timbre matching my bed speakers.
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The price is for a new x6200 unit. More specifically it was $1,539 + tax. I don't have the x6200 yet. It should be here the middle of next week.

I love my Ascends. I watch movies mainly and its better than going to the movies IMO (IMAX included). The Sierra Towers and Horizon center make for a fantastic front stage. I have the NrT tweeter and occasionally flirt with the idea of upgrading to the RAAL tweeter, but honestly it would be solely to satisfy my "what if" curiosity because I'm currently very happy. The Ascends are paired with a Rythmik E15HP and they blend seamlessly.

Ascend is currently developing a "sat" surround speaker that is smaller than the Sierra-1. It'll be available, I believe, in all tweeter types. Looking forward to timbre matching my bed speakers.

Do you plan on running your Acsends off the 6200, or a seperate 3ch/5ch Amp?

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You guys that are having network issues really need to call up Denon and complain. Denon will never fix these issues if they don't know they exist. When I called them, they insisted that nobody else was having these issues and that I needed to exchange the unit. Twice.

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I've spoken to Denon 8 times these past two weeks. Both regular customer service and the custom installer support (I am not a CI but have access through my Crestron guys). This is not a wifi/Ethernet issue. This is hardware or firmware related. I can't vouch for streaming issues as I use Apple TV and it works great. My issues are how the AVR acts when used in an IP CONTROL environment and while it works ok but has a few issues this bigger issue I've personally had is th avr reconnecting itself to the network and to Crestron using its built in crestron connected module. The unit doe not reconnect after power surge or after updating Crestron. This should be seamless. Then I have the issue of AirPlay mysteriously popping up on the screen when I switch to Apple TV source.

Denon is clueless in all cases. They are blaming the HDMI handshake. Lol. Beyond that they have no idea what to do or how to instruct with anything else. One rep said he didn't even know what createon was or that it was built in. And asked me what it does.
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Hi guys I am a current Denon 3311CI owner and it has some shortcomings I am hoping newer models can handle. I am trying to get wireless headphones to work with my receiver so I can use them to listen to all of my components. The headphones get their signal from an optical cable. The issue is that my Xbox 360E doesn't have optical out (only HDMI). I have found out that the 3311 cannot take audio from an HDMI input into the receiver and output that through Optical. The 3311 is not able to "convert" this? Will the X3200W do HDMI input to optical output? If not, will any of the Denon models do this?

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Hi guys I am a current Denon 3311CI owner and it has some shortcomings I am hoping newer models can handle. I am trying to get wireless headphones to work with my receiver so I can use them to listen to all of my components. The headphones get their signal from an optical cable. The issue is that my Xbox 360E doesn't have optical out (only HDMI). I have found out that the 3311 cannot take audio from an HDMI input into the receiver and output that through Optical. The 3311 is not able to "convert" this.

Will the X3200W do HDMI input to optical output? If not, will any of the Denon models do this?

Thanks!
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Hi guys I am a current Denon 3311CI owner and it has some shortcomings I am hoping newer models can handle. I am trying to get wireless headphones to work with my receiver so I can use them to listen to all of my components. The headphones get their signal from an optical cable. The issue is that my Xbox 360E doesn't have optical out (only HDMI). I have found out that the 3311 cannot take audio from an HDMI input into the receiver and output that through Optical. The 3311 is not able to "convert" this.

Will the X3200W do HDMI input to optical output? If not, will any of the Denon models do this?

Thanks!
Nope. Current models don't have optical outputs, only inputs. You need to consider getting a 3rd party HDMI-to-optical converter.

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ahtoh I believe I have the same problem as you. I recently purchased a X2200W and have a Squeezebox classic connected to its CD RCA jacks. I don't believe this happens every time, but frequently when I turn my receiver on and start playing my Squeezebox (which as far as my X2200W knows is a CD player) I get no audio from my AVR. However, if I then turn my TV on the audio from my Squeezebox starts coming out of my speakers. At this point I can turn my TV off and leave it off and my Squeezebox audio continues to work fine.

I haven't had time to sit down and try to isolate the exact steps needed to reproduce it, but it seems very strange to me.
Hi did you found any solution for this? I have the same model.
I reported this to denon support but they're slow in their responses and did not suggest anything better than try another source (which I don't have)
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I see many people here have X2200
Can you please confirm you also have the same issue with OPTICAL INPUTS: "There is no sound from CD IN unless you have your TV on"
The only "workaround" I found was to disable HDMI control, then turn off the TV - this way the receiver stays on and continues to play CD, but once the receiver turned off and back on - again no sound until you turn on your TV. This is not acceptable solution of course.
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I see many people here have X2200
Can you please confirm you also have the same issue with OPTICAL INPUTS: "There is no sound from CD IN unless you have your TV on"
The only "workaround" I found was to disable HDMI control, then turn off the TV - this way the receiver stays on and continues to play CD, but once the receiver turned off and back on - again no sound until you turn on your TV. This is not acceptable solution of course.
Have you disabled HDMI in the Inputs --> Input Assign section in the menu? At least I can do that on the X1200W.
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Have you disabled HDMI in the Inputs --> Input Assign section in the menu? At least I can do that on the X1200W.
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I see many people here have X2200
Can you please confirm you also have the same issue with OPTICAL INPUTS: "There is no sound from CD IN unless you have your TV on"
The only "workaround" I found was to disable HDMI control, then turn off the TV - this way the receiver stays on and continues to play CD, but once the receiver turned off and back on - again no sound until you turn on your TV. This is not acceptable solution of course.
I've just found out that if I unplug my HDMI cable to TV it works as expected (the TV is brand new Vizio M-series if it make any difference). This is not a solution though.
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I've currently got a Denon AVR-X2000, am I going to lose anything changing to an AVR-X1200? Got the opportunity to onsell my X2000 and pick up a X1200 for around $100 extra.
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I've currently got a Denon AVR-X2000, am I going to lose anything changing to an AVR-X1200? Got the opportunity to onsell my X2000 and pick up a X1200 for around $100 extra.
You would lose analog --> HDMI conversion (ie. no component video input) and (1) HDMI input; however, audio quality should be the same.
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The Denon X4200W and Marantz SR6010 are the only two D+M AVRs that can expand from 7CH --> 9CH using an external 2CH amp. Unlike the higher D+M models in which the Front Wide and Height 2 speakers share the same speaker posts, the thinking has always been that as both the X4200W and SR6010 have no speaker posts labeled as Height 2, in order to go to Atmos 5.1.4 (ie. adding a 2nd set of height speakers), you would have to externally power the Height 2 speakers. Turns out that thinking was wrong for both models, as it is indeed possible to externally power the FL/FR speakers while having the Height 2 speakers connected to the Front Wide speaker posts.

A couple of Marantz SR6010 owners have confirmed if you use Setup Assistant - Speaker Setup, it is indeed possible to connect the Height 2 speakers to the Front Wide speaker posts and instead externally power another set of speakers (eg. FL/FR). This has also been confirmed by an X4200W owner as being possible as well.

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Hi all,

Complete novice in the realm of of Recievers, but i've been building up a base of knowledge to work from.


My question is in regards to the particular quality of the 4k upscaling of the X2200. How would anybody here be able to describe it's capability? I'm very happy with my 2015 Sony tv's ability to upscale and i'd prefer not to take any hit to image quality.


My other choice is the Onkyo Tx nr646 but i fear that it may well be an inferior product.


I'll be coming from an old Sony Dav Dz330 5.1 system (it's built into the dvd player)
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Hi all,

Complete novice in the realm of of Recievers, but i've been building up a base of knowledge to work from.


My question is in regards to the particular quality of the 4k upscaling of the X2200. How would anybody here be able to describe it's capability? I'm very happy with my 2015 Sony tv's ability to upscale and i'd prefer not to take any hit to image quality.


My other choice is the Onkyo Tx nr646 but i fear that it may well be an inferior product.


I'll be coming from an old Sony Dav Dz330 5.1 system (it's built into the dvd player)

No worries. You can simply set the "i/p Scaler" setting to OFF and continue to let the Sony do the upscaling.
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No worries. You can simply set the "i/p Scaler" setting to OFF and continue to let the Sony do the upscaling.
That's one speedy response there.

I had assumed it would be the case, but i didn't want to rely on that.
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The Super Bowl feed looked fantastic on my JS8500. I must have been watching some pretty bad feeds prior to the game. I will post my video settings this evening to see if everything looks like it's setup correctly. Thanks for all your help guys!
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is there a significant difference in audio quality between a:
Physical blu ray disc from "Family Video" and "Red Box"; streamed content from Netflix, and other streaming services and the ones from Kodi? using the same movie such as Insurgent?

reason i am asking is because i think there is but i am a bit biased since i think my viewing experience has changed significantly after my recent AVR and Dolby Atmos (A60) upgrades.

also how do i know if im getting Atmos quality signals from movies with Atmos soundtrack i.e. Insurgent. seems like all i see when i hit INFO is Dolby Digital + Dolby Surround (using a sony BDP S6500 blu ray player).

thanks again in advance

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is there a significant difference in audio quality between a:
Physical blu ray disc from "Family Video" and "Red Box"; streamed content from Netflix, and other streaming services and the ones from Kodi? using the same movie such as Insurgent?

reason i am asking is because i think there is but i am a bit biased since i think my viewing experience has changed significantly after my recent AVR and Dolby Atmos (A60) upgrades.

also how do i know if im getting Atmos quality signals from movies with Atmos soundtrack i.e. Insurgent. seems like all i see when i hit INFO is Dolby Digital + Dolby Surround (using a sony BDP S6500 blu ray player).

thanks again in advance
A Blu-ray will always have the best video+audio quality. Obviously streamed video will have compression which may or may not be noticeable depending on your internet bandwidth, screen size, etc. In terms of audio, streaming services will always use a lossy compression (e.g. Dolby Digital Plus insted of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-MASTER) and will generally be capped at 5.1.

In the case of something like Insurgent, the Atmos soundtrack is ONLY available on Blu-ray. And, FYI, because it's a Lionsgate release the rental version (e.g. Redbox) will NOT have the Atmos (Lionsgate cripples the audio on rental copies with lossy DD 5.1 versions).

If you are getting Atmos audio the left side of the display will show "Dolby Atmos" when you hit the INFO button.

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is there a significant difference in audio quality between a:
Physical blu ray disc from "Family Video" and "Red Box"; streamed content from Netflix, and other streaming services and the ones from Kodi? using the same movie such as Insurgent?

reason i am asking is because i think there is but i am a bit biased since i think my viewing experience has changed significantly after my recent AVR and Dolby Atmos (A60) upgrades.
The audio quality depends on the source material. In order to answer your question, you have to find out what's actually being provided. Most streaming services provide only lossy Dolby Digital soundtracks. Many rental Lionsgate Blu-ray titles also provide only lossy Dolby Digital soundtracks, not the lossless Dolby TrueHD soundtracks which are available on purchased Blu-ray discs.

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also how do i know if im getting Atmos quality signals from movies with Atmos soundtrack i.e. Insurgent. seems like all i see when i hit INFO is Dolby Digital + Dolby Surround (using a sony BDP S6500 blu ray player).

thanks again in advance
Your AVR is reporting the type of signal that it's receiving. "Dolby Digital" means that it's getting a lossy DD signal, not lossless TrueHD.

Depending on the disc you're playing, you might need to change two settings in your Sony BDP and/or you might need to disable the speakers in your TV (not just mute them).
The two relevant Sony BDP settings are
Digital Audio Output = Auto (the default)
BD Audio Mix Setting = Off (NOT the default)

Also, if the TV's speakers are enabled, its EDID might be visible to the player, which will downgrade its output to match the TV's capabilities instead of the AVR's.

When the receiver is fed an Atmos soundtrack, Info will show "Atmos" in the left-hand side of the graphic display at the bottom of the screen. It will not show that it's receiving any particular audio channels. Also, a display saying "Dolby Digital + Dolby Surround" means that it's getting lossy Dolby Digital audio, not the lossless Dolby TrueHD audio that's needed to transport Atmos.

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A Blu-ray will always have the best video+audio quality. Obviously streamed video will have compression which may or may not be noticeable depending on your internet bandwidth, screen size, etc. In terms of audio, streaming services will always use a lossy compression (e.g. Dolby Digital Plus insted of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-MASTER) and will generally be capped at 5.1.



In the case of something like Insurgent, the Atmos soundtrack is ONLY available on Blu-ray. And, FYI, because it's a Lionsgate release the rental version (e.g. Redbox) will NOT have the Atmos (Lionsgate cripples the audio on rental copies with lossy DD 5.1 versions).



If you are getting Atmos audio the left side of the display will show "Dolby Atmos" when you hit the INFO button.


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The audio quality depends on the source material. In order to answer your question, you have to find out what's actually being provided. Most streaming services provide only lossy Dolby Digital soundtracks. Many rental Lionsgate Blu-ray titles also provide only lossy Dolby Digital soundtracks, not the lossless Dolby TrueHD soundtracks which are available on purchased Blu-ray discs.







Your AVR is reporting the type of signal that it's receiving. "Dolby Digital" means that it's getting a lossy DD signal, not lossless TrueHD.



Depending on the disc you're playing, you might need to change two settings in your Sony BDP and/or you might need to disable the speakers in your TV (not just mute them).

The two relevant Sony BDP settings are

Digital Audio Output = Auto (the default)

BD Audio Mix Setting = Off (NOT the default)



Also, if the TV's speakers are enabled, its EDID might be visible to the player, which will downgrade its output to match the TV's capabilities instead of the AVR's.



When the receiver is fed an Atmos soundtrack, Info will show "Atmos" in the left-hand side of the graphic display at the bottom of the screen. It will not show that it's receiving any particular audio channels. Also, a display saying "Dolby Digital + Dolby Surround" means that it's getting lossy Dolby Digital audio, not the lossless Dolby TrueHD audio that's needed to transport Atmos.

Thanks for your replies.

I kinda read something about Redbox copies as having the audio quality "stripped" so that's why i opted to try and rent from "Family Video" http://www.familyvideo.com thinking that their copies are more like the consumer ones.

i thank you for blu-ray settings. i did have to change the BD audio mix setting and i think the audio quality has gone better.

i Still do not see Atmos though and only see this..
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Thanks for your replies.

I kinda read something about Redbox copies as having the audio quality "stripped" so that's why i opted to try and rent from "Family Video" http://www.familyvideo.com thinking that their copies are more like the consumer ones.

i thank you for blu-ray settings. i did have to change the BD audio mix setting and i think the audio quality has gone better.

i Still do not see Atmos though and only see this..
The "Info" button on the receiver's remote shows you what the receiver is being fed.

To see what's actually coming off the disc, press the "Display" button on the Sony player's remote.

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Also forgot to mention if the Atmos feature is dependent on the anticipated update for 3200 and the rest?

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Running TV & Speakers in 2nd Room (w/Security Cams)

I have an X6200W and plan to have a 5.2.4 Atmos/DTSx system and 70" 4K TV in my main room, and a 32"-37" TV with a pair of stereo bookshelf speakers in an adjacent room (my office). I also plan to connect a security DVR with a number of IP-based security cameras to the 6200 by using an HDMI from the security DVR to one of the receivers HDMI inputs. I plan to install an IR remote extender to the back of the 6200 and run a wire to my office so I can control the 6200 from there. I'm hoping to be able to:
(1) Have the same video and audio on both monitors and coming from speakers in both rooms.
(2) Have different audio and video sources going to both rooms (so I can watch and/or listen to a different source in my office than is playing in our main room).
(3) Switch sources easily by remote to view my security cameras from either location (for example, to see who is at the door).
(4) Quickly mute the audio from either or both sources by remote.
I think I can do all this, but I haven't tested it yet, and I don't yet have all the components and wiring installed. I'm hoping those with more experience here will help me with any tips or warnings that might apply.

Some of my concerns are:
- Will there be any issue with watching a 4K signal on our main TV and the same source on a small, non-4K monitor in the other room?
- I will need a 25'-40' HDMI cable that I will have to fish though quite a bit of wall (including some drilled studs). I wish I could run a bare cable and terminate myself, but that's probably not feasible. It is going to be tough drilling holes in studs deep in the walls large enough to fit an HDMI plug. I don't anticipate upgrading this 2nd monitor to 4K, but due to the difficulty of running the cable, I want the most future-proof cable I can get.
- Any recommended remote extenders that work with the 6200's rear plug, and (ideally) might also be able to control a satellite box and/or Blu-Ray player? It will probably need about a 25' wire run.


Any issues or suggestions on how best to accomplish what I want? Thanks (as always) for the helpful information.
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Also forgot to mention if the Atmos feature is dependent on the anticipated update for 3200 and the rest?
No, the 3200 (like all models in this thread) came with Atmos from the beginning. No updates needed (that's for DTS:X).

The image you posted clearly shows the BDP is playing a 5.1 Dolby Digital track. Not Atmos. It appears you got a "stripped" rental copy of Insurgent.

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No, the 3200 (like all models in this thread) came with Atmos from the beginning. No updates needed (that's for DTS:X).



The image you posted clearly shows the BDP is playing a 5.1 Dolby Digital track. Not Atmos. It appears you got a "stripped" rental copy of Insurgent.

Thanks.

Guess ill have a trip at BB and get a "real" atmos blu ray disc.

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Thanks.

Guess ill have a trip at BB and get a "real" atmos blu ray disc.
If you want to get a quick demo, you can try this:
  1. go here: http://www.demo-world.eu/download-2d...olby_amaze.jpg
  2. careful, a lot of ads, but click on the Dolby logo screen to start the download.
  3. Once it has finished, slap it on a USB stick and play it via your BR player
  4. sit back and be amazed at TrueHD Atmos

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