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Has anyone heard on dts x update for the 2200 yet?
No official date AFAIK, although likely in March/April time frame.
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I skimmed through the last few pages and did not see anything for this, so my apologies if this has been addressed before.
Regarding my Denon S910W, when I pass Roku 4 though it (versus directly to my Sony XBR850C), I cannot get the 4K 10-bit option to work on the Roku (works when it's directly connected to the TV). Anyone ran into this?
FYI, my Samsung K8500 (4K blu-ray player) seems to pass it's 4K HDR just fine via the Denon S910W. So I am surprised the Roku can't pass 4K 10-bit through it.
Any help or suggestions appreciated!
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Well just had a weekend with my new X6200. So far I love it. It sounds much better than my Sony did and it's easier to use. My only gripes so far are that the AirPlay is buggy and disconnects frequently. Second, the ATMOS isn't what I had hoped for yet. I have the Klipsch up-firing speakers placed on top of my front tower speakers but I think I am too far away (11 ft.) to really benefit from that setup. If I angle them to the right angle, it just sounds like the sound is coming from the front speakers. I guess I need to try and move then to the back on top of my surrounds somehow. Any tips?

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Well just had a weekend with my new X6200. So far I love it. It sounds much better than my Sony did and it's easier to use. My only gripes so far are that the AirPlay is buggy and disconnects frequently. Second, the ATMOS isn't what I had hoped for yet. I have the Klipsch up-firing speakers placed on top of my front tower speakers but I think I am too far away (11 ft.) to really benefit from that setup. If I angle them to the right angle, it just sounds like the sound is coming from the front speakers. I guess I need to try and move then to the back on top of my surrounds somehow. Any tips?
In the typical setup with an 8' or 9' ceiling and 30" to 36" towers, the upfiring sweet spot is likely to be 4' to 5' from the Atmos module. You can do a graphic solution for your specific setup. Upfiring are typically 20 degree angle, Pioneers are slightly less, accounting for their near absence of ear-level leakage.

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In the typical setup with an 8' or 9' ceiling and 30" to 36" towers, the upfiring sweet spot is likely to be 4' to 5' from the Atmos module. You can do a graphic solution for your specific setup. Upfiring are typically 20 degree angle, Pioneers are slightly less, accounting for their near absence of ear-level leakage.
Yes I did the math and for my specific setup 4-5 feet is ideal. In order for the angles to work I would have to angle the speakers to ~50 degrees. I tried that but it then becomes more front directed sound and doesn't sound right.

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Yes I did the math and for my specific setup 4-5 feet is ideal. In order for the angles to work I would have to angle the speakers to ~50 degrees. I tried that but it then becomes more front directed sound and doesn't sound right.
That sucks. Right now my MLP is about 5-6 ft from my Atmos speakers at 20° and it sounds pretty good. When I move soon, my MLP will be around 12ft from the Atmos speakers so that might be an issue.

I'm using Focal Little Birds for my Atmos speakers and they are adjustable but if I have to angle them too far downwards I'll get sound leakage issue like you. I'll just have to see how it goes and settle for a compromise if my overheads sound effect sound farther to the front than they should.
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Does anybody know of a Samsung Note 4 app that can control the Denon 4200?

I am very dumb when it comes to electronics so it needs to be easy to use.

I mainly want it to be able to select and switch 4k pass thru sources.

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new x4200 owner

Well I just recently upgraded from onkyo 605 to denon x4200. Noticeable difference for sure. I also have two non equi-distant subs and I have read that audyssey xt32 will help for this. There are alot of options available to play around with and I was wondering if this is the best thread to go through to find out more about all of these?

For starters, I have read from prior onkyo forums that it is best to place speakers as 'small' even though the picture that changes when selecting 'large' seems to match the size of my current speakers (aperion audio grand verus.) This is just one question that I have when trying to optimize my new AVR.
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Well just had a weekend with my new X6200..... My only gripes so far are that the AirPlay is buggy and .... Any tips?
All I can say is I have similar issues with my airplay.... I believe the networking inside the Denon machines have serious issues but that's just me

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In the typical setup with an 8' or 9' ceiling and 30" to 36" towers, the upfiring sweet spot is likely to be 4' to 5' from the Atmos module. You can do a graphic solution for your specific setup. Upfiring are typically 20 degree angle, Pioneers are slightly less, accounting for their near absence of ear-level leakage.



I can't imagine anyone who has an actual home theater would be sitting 5-6 feet from their front speakers. I am very disappointed with the Pioneer upfiring speakers as far as Atmos is concerned. They seem to work very well as creating a larger front stage when in upmixing mode. I sit about 11 feet from my mains. I have experimented with having the Pioneer modules on top of my side and back surrounds and they do sound better than they do up front in Atmos mode but then the upmixing mode sounds odd.


If DTS:X is a dud like Atmos then this whole generation of avrs has been a waste, in my opinion.
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Well I just recently upgraded from onkyo 605 to denon x4200. Noticeable difference for sure. I also have two non equi-distant subs and I have read that audyssey xt32 will help for this.
It's actually the SubEQ feature which does this. Just plug the subs into the two different subwoofer outputs on the back of the AVR.
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There are alot of options available to play around with and I was wondering if this is the best thread to go through to find out more about all of these?
Please take the time to look through the Audyssey 101/FAQ It answers these and many other questions, although not those which are unique to the 4200.

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For starters, I have read from prior onkyo forums that it is best to place speakers as 'small' even though the picture that changes when selecting 'large' seems to match the size of my current speakers (aperion audio grand verus.) This is just one question that I have when trying to optimize my new AVR.
"Small" really is an abbreviation for "enable bass management". It is not intended to describe the physical size of your speakers. It is indeed best to set all speakers as Small so that the lowest bass frequencies get redirected to your subwoofers which are better designed to reproduce them.

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I can't imagine anyone who has an actual home theater would be sitting 5-6 feet from their front speakers. I am very disappointed with the Pioneer upfiring speakers as far as Atmos is concerned. They seem to work very well as creating a larger front stage when in upmixing mode. I sit about 11 feet from my mains. I have experimented with having the Pioneer modules on top of my side and back surrounds and they do sound better than they do up front in Atmos mode but then the upmixing mode sounds odd.


If DTS:X is a dud like Atmos then this whole generation of avrs has been a waste, in my opinion.
I agree. If I could do in-ceiling speakers I would but my ceiling is concrete.

I like the sound of my fronts right now. Up-firing Atmos really sounds good but if a farther MLP won't work then that kind of screws it for a lot of folks that might want to use up-firing speakers.
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I agree. If I could do in-ceiling speakers I would but my ceiling is concrete.

I like the sound of my fronts right now. Up-firing Atmos really sounds good but if a farther MLP won't work then that kind of screws it for a lot of folks that might want to use up-firing speakers.
Not for those that are placing their up-firing modules on dedicated speaker stands which can be placed at whatever distance is required.
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Not for those that are placing their up-firing modules on dedicated speaker stands which can be placed at whatever distance is required.
True, that would work in some HT rooms just not in my living room.
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In the typical setup with an 8' or 9' ceiling and 30" to 36" towers, the upfiring sweet spot is likely to be 4' to 5' from the Atmos module. You can do a graphic solution for your specific setup. Upfiring are typically 20 degree angle, Pioneers are slightly less, accounting for their near absence of ear-level leakage.
Where can I find information to calculate the distance vs angle? I'm no math major lol
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Where can I find information to calculate the distance vs angle? I'm no math major lol
I think in the dedicated forum for up firing speakers there is someone who explains the calculations. No possible way for me to know what page it is. You will have to scroll thru them. It's not many pages compared to some of these areas.
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Well just had a weekend with my new X6200. So far I love it. It sounds much better than my Sony did and it's easier to use. My only gripes so far are that the AirPlay is buggy and disconnects frequently. Second, the ATMOS isn't what I had hoped for yet. I have the Klipsch up-firing speakers placed on top of my front tower speakers but I think I am too far away (11 ft.) to really benefit from that setup. If I angle them to the right angle, it just sounds like the sound is coming from the front speakers. I guess I need to try and move then to the back on top of my surrounds somehow. Any tips?
Not sure if this helps but here goes. I have the Klipsch towers with the Atmos built in and I sit a little over 12 feet away and they are great. The sounds and effects up top are tremendous. I had a harder time with my 2 rear Atmos and gave up on the Klipsch add on modules, just could not get them to work, I use them as my rear surrounds now. I ended up with the Atlantic Tech Atmos modules for the rear Atmos and with the moveable tweeters I could dial it in and now I have front and rear Atmos that is great.
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Not sure if this helps but here goes. I have the Klipsch towers with the Atmos built in and I sit a little over 12 feet away and they are great. The sounds and effects up top are tremendous. I had a harder time with my 2 rear Atmos and gave up on the Klipsch add on modules, just could not get them to work, I use them as my rear surrounds now. I ended up with the Atlantic Tech Atmos modules for the rear Atmos and with the moveable tweeters I could dial it in and now I have front and rear Atmos that is great.
Mark, you have any idea what angle those Klipsch's are set to? Are they designed with a really effective way of eliminating ear level noise leak?

You say you had issues with the Klipsch add-ons. Are they different in some way to the integrated towers?
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I am buying a Denon 6200 in a couple weeks. I'm wanting to convert my current 7.2 to the Atmos 7.2.4. Has anyone bought a 2 ch amplifier for theirs yet? If so, what did you get? Thanks.
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I am buying a Denon 6200 in a couple weeks. I'm wanting to convert my current 7.2 to the Atmos 7.2.4. Has anyone bought a 2 ch amplifier for theirs yet? If so, what did you get? Thanks.
I have the mini-X a-100

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I am buying a Denon 6200 in a couple weeks. I'm wanting to convert my current 7.2 to the Atmos 7.2.4. Has anyone bought a 2 ch amplifier for theirs yet? If so, what did you get? Thanks.
Do you have an old avr? That works as a amplifier....or should say you can connect 2 extra channels.
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Are you using it for your in-ceiling speakers, or up-firing speakers? This will be the first time using a external amplifier for me, so I ma trying to figure out how to wire all of this up.
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I am buying a Denon 6200 in a couple weeks. I'm wanting to convert my current 7.2 to the Atmos 7.2.4. Has anyone bought a 2 ch amplifier for theirs yet? If so, what did you get? Thanks.
Being using the dayton audio apa150.

So far so good.
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Are you using it for your in-ceiling speakers, or up-firing speakers? This will be the first time using a external amplifier for me, so I ma trying to figure out how to wire all of this up.
I actually use it for my wides.... but you can use it for one of your tops or heights

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Do you have an old avr? That works as a amplifier....or should say you can connect 2 extra channels.
I have a Onkyo 616 but it has other plans. My cousin wants it, unless I can talk him into buying something else. Then I would have to figure out how to wire it to the Denon. Which would be great to use their Auroa 3D plus Atmos.
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I have a Onkyo 616 but it has other plans. My cousin wants it, unless I can talk him into buying something else. Then I would have to figure out how to wire it to the Denon. Which would be great to use their Auroa 3D plus Atmos.
this is a viable option as well

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I am buying a Denon 6200 in a couple weeks. I'm wanting to convert my current 7.2 to the Atmos 7.2.4. Has anyone bought a 2 ch amplifier for theirs yet? If so, what did you get? Thanks.
I have the AudioSource AMP 102 powering my Top Rear speakers and it works great. Unlike the AMP 100, it does have a 12V trigger input.

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I am buying a Denon 6200 in a couple weeks. I'm wanting to convert my current 7.2 to the Atmos 7.2.4. Has anyone bought a 2 ch amplifier for theirs yet? If so, what did you get? Thanks.
When expanding the X6200W from 9CH --> 11CH, the most cost effective solution is to purchase a smaller amp (eg. 50W AudioSource Amp100VS2) or repurpose an existing AVR that you are replacing to power the 2nd set of Height speakers. Another option for much higher cost is to purchase a much more powerful amp (eg. 300W Emotiva XPA-2) and power the Front L/R speakers.

50W, 12 lb solution
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...2C74241PTYPSTE

300W, 84 lb solution
http://www.amazon.com/Emotiva-XPA-2-.../dp/B008O37EYK


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a. A set of RCA cables would be used to connect either the Front L/R or Height2 L/R pre-outs (depending on amp selected) on the back of the X6200W to the L/R inputs on the external amp.
b. If using an old AVR, you would connect from the X6200W pre-outs to one of the stereo analog audio inputs (eg. CD) and then connect the speakers to the Front L/R speaker posts on the amp.

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If the amp has a volume knob, set it to about 80-100% of maximum.

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If using an old AVR, set it to DIRECT sound mode.

Once the amp and speakers are connected, and the amp is powered on, run Audyssey again to add these new speakers into your setup using the following AMP ASSIGN setting:

If the external amp is used for the Height 2 speakers:

Assign Mode: 11.1
Floor
- Layout
: 5ch & SB
Height
– Height Sp
: 4ch
- Layout: Front Height + Rear Height (or whatever 2 settings are available that you want to use)
- Pre-out: Height2


If the external amp is used for the Front L/R speakers:

Assign Mode: 11.1
Floor
- Layout
: 5ch & SB
Height
– Height Sp
: 4ch
- Layout: Front Height + Rear Height (or whatever 2 settings are available that you want to use)
- Pre-out: Front


Note: If you want to use the same configuration for all three audio formats (ie. Atmos, DTS:X, and Auro 3D), you'll want to use "Front Height + Rear Height."

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When expanding the X6200W from 9CH --> 11CH, the most cost effective solution is to purchase a smaller amp (eg. 50W AudioSource Amp100VS2) or repurpose an existing AVR that you are replacing to power the 2nd set of Height speakers. Another option for much higher cost is to purchase a much more powerful amp (eg. 300W Emotiva XPA-2) and power the Front L/R speakers.

50W, 12 lb solution
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...2C74241PTYPSTE

300W, 84 lb solution
http://www.amazon.com/Emotiva-XPA-2-.../dp/B008O37EYK


Connection:
a. A set of RCA cables would be used to connect either the Front L/R or Height2 L/R pre-outs (depending on amp selected) on the back of the X6200W to the L/R inputs on the external amp.
b. If using an old AVR, you would connect from the X6200W pre-outs to one of the stereo analog audio inputs (eg. CD) and then connect the speakers to the Front L/R speaker posts on the amp.

Volume:
If the amp has a volume knob, set it to about 80-100% of maximum.

Setting:
If using an old AVR, set it to DIRECT sound mode.

Once the amp and speakers are connected, and the amp is powered on, run Audyssey again to add these new speakers into your setup using the following AMP ASSIGN setting:

If the external amp is used for the Height 2 speakers:

Assign Mode: 11.1
Floor
- Layout
: 5ch & SB
Height
– Height Sp
: 4ch
- Layout: Front Height + Rear Height (or whatever 2 settings you want to use)
- Pre-out: Height2


If the external amp is used for the Front L/R speakers:

Assign Mode: 11.1
Floor
- Layout
: 5ch & SB
Height
– Height Sp
: 4ch
- Layout: Front Height + Rear Height (or whatever 2 settings you want to use)
- Pre-out: Front


Note: If you want to use the same configuration for all three audio formats (ie. Atmos, DTS:X, and Auro 3D), you'll want to use "Front Height + Rear Height."

if this isnt already in the 1st couple posts, could you please add it? This is a great guide. I was planning on going from my .2 to .4 setup this spring or summer and this really helps explain what needs done.

Thanks!!!
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if this isnt already in the 1st couple posts, could you please add it? This is a great guide. I was planning on going from my .2 to .4 setup this spring or summer and this really helps explain what needs done.

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