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Morning jd,

Really new to this so please bear with me. Am currently using my (7 year old) Denon 1707 and looking to upgrade in the near future. Can I find out from you what's the main difference between the S and X series?
The main differences of "X" vs. "S":

1. Higher version of Audyssey (MultEQ XT/XT32 vs. MultEQ)
2. Extra year of warranty (3 vs. 2)
3. Zone 2 pre-outs
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The main differences of "X" vs. "S":

1. Higher version of Audyssey (MultEQ XT/XT32 vs. MultEQ)
2. Extra year of warranty (3 vs. 2)
3. Zone 2 pre-outs
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I would like to play FLAC files, gapless, mounted over the network from an SMB share. Does the S910W support this, or does it require a DLNA server?
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( X2200W) Can I have 2 blu ray players attached and output to 2 TVS. I know the sound on the sub one will only be stereo. Can you select separate HDMI inputs for each output.. Which model would give this option? Thanks
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( X2200W) Can I have 2 blu ray players attached and output to 2 TVS. I know the sound on the sub one will only be stereo. Can you select separate HDMI inputs for each output.. Which model would give this option? Thanks
No. The HDMI MON2 output on the S910W and X2200W only mirrors what is being passed on HDMI MON1 output (eg. useful when you have a TV and PJ in the same room, generally only using one or the other at a time). You would need to upgrade to the X3200W for Zone 2 HDMI output.
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I would like to play FLAC files, gapless, mounted over the network from an SMB share. Does the S910W support this, or does it require a DLNA server?
AFAIK, you'll need a DLNA server.

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No. The HDMI MON2 output on the S910W and X2200W only mirrors what is being passed on HDMI MON1 output (eg. useful when you have a TV and PJ in the same room, generally only using one or the other at a time). You would need to upgrade to the X3200W for Zone 2 HDMI output.

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Any S510BT owners that have tried the new "500 Series Bluetooth Remote app"? Curious as to how it works as the S510BT is not a networking model.
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Probably no news about it but in case I missed it: Is there anything known about the upmixer from dts:x neural x? I would like to know if the wides are used.

So I could consider a 7.2.4 setup with wides in stead off back surrounds.
Is dts:x using wides at all?

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Probably no news about it but in case I missed it: Is there anything known about the upmixer from dts:x neural x? I would like to know if the wides are used.

So I could consider a 7.2.4 setup with wides in stead off back surrounds.
Is dts:x using wides at all?
No confirmation, but considering DTS Neo:X uses Front Wide (X3100W and higher models only), no reason to believe that DTS Neural:X won't use them as well on the X3200W and higher models.
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I think it also goes to show that you can still get good sound with non-ideal speaker placement. If you're screwed by your room and can't have surrounds at ear level, it's not like the world is going to end if you use a pair of in-ceiling speakers for Atmos and then another pair behind you designated as surrounds. It's not by the book but we all deal with our own compromises the best we can.

Also just to be clear I'm not saying you WEREN'T hearing the rear ceiling speakers, just that I bet they were designated as Surround L/R in the receiver speaker config (i.e. 5.1.2) not as rear heights (3.1.4). I do think sound was coming out of all 7 speakers.
I have in ceiling speakers for a 5.2 setup that are currently designated as the surrounds. They are just slightly left and right of the couch, and just slightly behind the couch. I never liked the surround results with this approach. Sounds seem to come unexpectedly from above when they really shouldn't. Even in movies, which shouldn't be overboosted as much by dynamic EQ.
There is no way I can have the WAF go along with normal side surrounds, as one side is wide open to the kitchen. I could probably add additional height positions with in ceiling speakers and pass WAF.
First question. Do you think that (for movies) there would be an overall improvement (considering Atmos/DTS:X blu-rays) by going to a 3.2.2 setup compared to the compromised 5.2 setup?
Second question. The relative benefit of adding back the surround speakers in a slightly farther back ceiling position to create 5.2.2 (given that I didn't like the in ceiling surrounds in 5.2)? Perhaps there are in ceiling speakers that could be spread farther apart and have an angle adjustment?

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Wow. Really interesting to see HDCP 2.2 and Atmos/DTS:X coming to even the entry models.

I'm currently shopping for receivers and am looking to match a 9.2 (7.2 + front height) speaker setup, but am probably satisfied with NEO:X and the related/competing upmixers for front height from the prior generation. The conundrum is whether to look at a discounted older model with more power and higher grade components rather than an entry model with the newest features (namely the vector based surround formats).

The Denon 4520 can be had for quite a reasonable price these days, especially on a refurb. 4Ohm front/center speakers are an added consideration. Thoughts?

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I have in ceiling speakers for a 5.2 setup that are currently designated as the surrounds. They are just slightly left and right of the couch, and just slightly behind the couch. I never liked the surround results with this approach. Sounds seem to come unexpectedly from above when they really shouldn't. Even in movies, which shouldn't be overboosted as much by dynamic EQ.
There is no way I can have the WAF go along with normal side surrounds, as one side is wide open to the kitchen. I could probably add additional height positions with in ceiling speakers and pass WAF.
First question. Do you think that (for movies) there would be an overall improvement (considering Atmos/DTS:X blu-rays) by going to a 3.2.2 setup compared to the compromised 5.2 setup?
Second question. The relative benefit of adding back the surround speakers in a slightly farther back ceiling position to create 5.2.2 (given that I didn't like the in ceiling surrounds in 5.2)? Perhaps there are in ceiling speakers that could be spread farther apart and have an angle adjustment?
1. Well, certainly makes more sense for the height audio to come from height speakers. As you've learned having in ceiling surrounds is not ideal.
2. Mixing height speakers with in-ceiling surrounds wouldn't be recommended (especially as you already commented you don't like the current experience from the in-ceiling surrounds) as to obtain a better Atmos experience, you ideally want to provide at least 3-4' vertical separation between the height and ideally floor level surrounds.

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1. Well, certainly makes more sense for the height audio to come from height speakers. As you've learned having in ceiling surrounds is not ideal.
2. Mixing height speakers with in-ceiling surrounds wouldn't be recommended (especially as you already commented you don't like the current experience from the in-ceiling surrounds) as to obtain a better Atmos experience, you ideally want to provide at least 3-4' vertical separation between the height and ideally floor level surrounds.
Thanks for the feedback.

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Wow. Really interesting to see HDCP 2.2 and Atmos/DTS:X coming to even the entry models.

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The Denon 4520 can be had for quite a reasonable price these days, especially on a refurb. 4Ohm front/center speakers are an added consideration. Thoughts?

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Sticking with Atmos/DTS:X with HDCP 2.2 and with 4 ohm speakers for front sound stage, might want to consider the flag ship Denon X7200WA as it will have the DTS:X up-date in the fall (if you're impatient and want a receiver now) or wait for the X6200W that's expected in the fall that has a similar amp design as the X7200W.

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I'm currently shopping for receivers and am looking to match a 9.2 (7.2 + front height) speaker setup, but am probably satisfied with NEO:X and the related/competing upmixers for front height from the prior generation. The conundrum is whether to look at a discounted older model with more power and higher grade components rather than an entry model with the newest features (namely the vector based surround formats)...
With the front height speakers you can do an Atmos 7.1.2 speaker configuration. It will also be compatible for Auro 2D/3D speaker configuration. If you can't put ceiling speakers and have a reflective flat roof, might want to consider the Atmos up-firing modules which will give you the full 7.1.4 Atmos speaker configuration.

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SteveTing -- Thanks for the thoughts.

I don't have a flat ceiling actually. it is an over-garage bonus room with 45 degree slants on the side/ceiling. The room is 16 wide by 20 long at the base, and tapers to 8 wide by 20 long at the ceiling, because of the sloped side "walls". My surrounds and rear surrounds (as well as the front height) will be ceiling suspended. This is because there are shelves on the sloping walls for a rather large set of film collectibles. It is a bit higher and closer in that usually suggested for surrounds, but it is the constraint of the design. I'm optimistic that the use of multipole surrounds and some drop-down space from the ceiling will lead to more than acceptable results. If it doesn't then I might be pressed to reconsider integrating the surrounds into the shelving, lower and wider.

As for the receivers, the new 6200/7200 would be great, I'm sure. Budgets leave me considering a position EITHER high up the model line but older OR lower in the model line but newer. I'm thinking that the 4520 would do a great job with my 4 Ohm LCR's, so that may be the way.

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The new X1200W and X2200W web pages are now available on Denon's website and linked in post ##1.
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Hmm, I need to decide if MultEQ XT in the X2200W is worth $120 over W910W which only has MultEQ. None of the other differences between the two matter much to me.
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Hmm, I need to decide if MultEQ XT in the X2200W is worth $120 over W910W which only has MultEQ. None of the other differences between the two matter much to me.
Don't forget the 3rd year of warranty in the X series vs. the S series. Even if you never use the additional multizone or custom installer features, that extra year of warranty should matter to you.

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Don't forget the 3rd year of warranty in the X series vs. the S series. Even if you never use the additional multizone or custom installer features, that extra year of warranty should matter to you.
True, it does have some value. Though all of my credit cards extend warranty by a year and I've never really had much fail after the two year mark.

I just wonder about support. One of the reasons why I'm looking to replace my 2310ci is the bug it has with DD+ and netflix. I know it's too old to get a firmware update to correct the issue and I don't want to be a in a similar situation again. What's nice is all the new generation stuff is online so it can get firmware updates OTA, but I wonder if the X series will be supported longer for bug fixes than the S series.

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Ouch, I just noticed that the X2200W changed MSRP in the OP to be $799 instead of $699 like it was. $220 is a very steep jump for the differences between it and the S910W and really doesn't seem worth it in my opinion.

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I wish Denon would have included a 5-channel model with features and price in between the entry level S510BT and the S710W. I'd be willing to pay an additional $75-100 for an S510BT with Audyssey and ARC. Such a model would be perfect for my needs. I'm sure the marketing department thought this all through so that folks like me will purchase the S710W, which I will most likely do. See, the marketing folks know what they're doing!
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Who usually gets these things in sooner than others? Is it Crutchfield, Amazon, BestBuy, etc.? I was going for the Pioneer VSX-90 - but the lag when changing sources is a let down.

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Generally, Amazon as the largest customer gets the models in first with Best Buy closely following behind (although sometimes a month later).
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I wish Denon would have included a 5-channel model with features and price in between the entry level S510BT and the S710W. I'd be willing to pay an additional $75-100 for an S510BT with Audyssey and ARC. Such a model would be perfect for my needs. I'm sure the marketing department thought this all through so that folks like me will purchase the S710W, which I will most likely do. See, the marketing folks know what they're doing!
For the years 2011-2013, the first Audyssey model was a 5CH model, but last year it was bumped up to 7CH with the S700W and remains 7CH with the S710W as well.
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Thumbs up 802.11n

The Wi-Fi on last year's models was only 802.11g, which meant you had to run your entire Wi-Fi network in slower "legacy" mode. According to the web manuals for the AVR-S710W, AVR-S910W, AVR-X1200W, and AVR-X2200W, this year's models support 802.11n.

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The Wi-Fi on last year's models was only 802.11g, which meant you had to run your entire Wi-Fi network in slower "legacy" mode. According to the web manuals for the AVR-S710W, AVR-S910W, AVR-X1200W, and AVR-X2200W, this year's models support 802.11n.
My router is AC MIMO 2.4 and 5.0, but backwards compatible to n, shouldn't make a huge difference.
I'm trying to determine if the Yahama RX-A1050 thru 3050 series has built in Bluetooth. I can't seem to find the wording anywhere on Yamaha's page. Only wi-fi. Below that they state Bluetooth but leave out the built in part?
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My router is AC MIMO 2.4 and 5.0, but backwards compatible to n, shouldn't make a huge difference.
I'm trying to determine if the Yahama RX-A1050 thru 3050 series has built in Bluetooth. I can't seem to find the wording anywhere on Yamaha's page. Only wi-fi. Below that they state Bluetooth but leave out the built in part?
All Aventage models from the A550 and higher have both Wifi and Bluetooth built-in just as do the Denon S710W and higher models. However, this is a Denon thread ... please direct Yamaha related questions to a Yamaha thread.
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