The "OFFICIAL" 2015 Denon "S-series" / "X-series" AVR Owner's thread + FAQ (HDCP 2.2) - Page 32 - AVS Forum

chi_guy50 · 08-26-2015, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by asere

Best Buy has the 4100 for $850. Do you know if will get the DTS upgrade?

Unless you have rewards points or other discounts to apply to that BestBuy price, you can do better. A number of authorized retailers have the X4100 new in stock with free shipping for $800 (e.g., Crutchfield and Amazon, inter alia); and, depending on your state of residence or shipping address, the purchase will be free of sales tax.

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Originally Posted by SiegeX

The 9-channel Denons with 11 posts (7200 & 6200) also cannot do this from what I've been told.

That's right, but it is not related to the number of speaker posts but rather the speaker configuration setup. You would need to reset the config if you wanted to switch the internal amp assignment from, say SB, to Zone2.

asere · 08-26-2015, 11:03 AM

Bummer. In order to steam Spotify from the phone to avr you have to pay vs if it's already integrated in the avr.

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asere · 08-26-2015, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie

Sorry, but no. The X1200W is a 7CH AVR. With a 5.1.2 setup you would have 7 speakers connected. So in order to power Zone 2 speakers you'll need to connect an external 2CH amp to the Zone 2 pre-outs and then connect the Zone 2 speakers to that external amp. The AudioSource Amp100 is an excellent choice for this purpose.

http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AM.../dp/B00026BQJ6

Can I connect the Denon X1200w power cable to the Audiosource amp 100 unswitched outlet that way it can turn and off with the receiver?

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jdsmoothie · 08-26-2015, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by asere

Can I connect the Denon X1200w power cable to the Audiosource amp 100 unswitched outlet that way it can turn and off with the receiver?

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No, however, you can use a smart power strip instead like the one linked below:

http://www.amazon.com/Smart-Strip-49.../dp/B0006PUDQK

dom6918 · 08-26-2015, 02:31 PM

HELP!

Need your advice - I bought the X1200w after sending the Onkyo 646 back (crackling issue with airplay). I have had the receiver for almost a month but luckily for me I have a 45 day return and exchange policy with Best Buy (elite plus member).

I have a 5.1 system: B&W CM8S2, CM1S2, CMCS2 and a ASW10 Sub.

I just feel the Denon lacks a punch and is not pushing the speakers enough. I am not sure if this is a placebo, but I just feel that I am lacking mid-range (not loudness). If I upgraded the amp to the X2200w, would I notice enough of a difference to warrant the extra $?

Thanks
Dom

asere · 08-26-2015, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie

No, however, you can use a smart power strip instead like the one linked below:

http://www.amazon.com/Smart-Strip-49.../dp/B0006PUDQK

It won't turn off with panamax m5400 line conditioner? I have one already.

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asere · 08-26-2015, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dom6918

HELP!

Need your advice - I bought the X1200w after sending the Onkyo 646 back (crackling issue with airplay). I have had the receiver for almost a month but luckily for me I have a 45 day return and exchange policy with Best Buy (elite plus member).

I have a 5.1 system: B&W CM8S2, CM1S2, CMCS2 and a ASW10 Sub.

I just feel the Denon lacks a punch and is not pushing the speakers enough. I am not sure if this is a placebo, but I just feel that I am lacking mid-range (not loudness). If I upgraded the amp to the X2200w, would I notice enough of a difference to warrant the extra $?

Thanks
Dom

First did you calibrate is using audyssey?

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jdsmoothie · 08-26-2015, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dom6918

HELP!

Need your advice - I bought the X1200w after sending the Onkyo 646 back (crackling issue with airplay). I have had the receiver for almost a month but luckily for me I have a 45 day return and exchange policy with Best Buy (elite plus member).

I have a 5.1 system: B&W CM8S2, CM1S2, CMCS2 and a ASW10 Sub.

I just feel the Denon lacks a punch and is not pushing the speakers enough. I am not sure if this is a placebo, but I just feel that I am lacking mid-range (not loudness). If I upgraded the amp to the X2200w, would I notice enough of a difference to warrant the extra $?

Thanks
Dom

Nope. Did you run Audyssey using a tight pattern (ie. all 8 mic positions with 2-7 no more than 1-2' from the 1st mic position)? Do you have the master volume level up to at least 60/-20db?

jdsmoothie · 08-26-2015, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by asere

It won't turn off with panamax m5400 line conditioner? I have one already.

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If the line conditioner offers a "smart switch" type feature, then yes.

Marauder · 08-26-2015, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SiegeX

The 9-channel Denons with 11 posts (7200 & 6200) also cannot do this from what I've been told.

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That's right, but it is not related to the number of speaker posts but rather the speaker configuration setup. You would need to reset the config if you wanted to switch the internal amp assignment from, say SB, to Zone2.

Huh, that seems like a pretty big limitation. So even these higher-end Denons can't switch between powering an Atmos/7.1 main-room setup and a 5.1 + Zone 2? Basically, an additional amp is required?

asere · 08-26-2015, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Marauder

Huh, that seems like a pretty big limitation. So even these higher-end Denons can't switch between powering an Atmos/7.1 main-room setup and a 5.1 + Zone 2? Basically, an additional amp is required?

Yep. That's what I'm pondering on doing which is get an amp.
My older receivers had 7 speaker posts and an extra one or two just for zones.

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jdsmoothie · 08-26-2015, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Marauder

Huh, that seems like a pretty big limitation. So even these higher-end Denons can't switch between powering an Atmos/7.1 main-room setup and a 5.1 + Zone 2? Basically, an additional amp is required?

If you aren't using the height channels, the 9CH models (X6200W and SR7010) can power 7CH + Zone 2 (using Height1 speaker posts), otherwise you can't do 7.1 + Height channels as well as 7.1 + Zone 2 without using an external amp for Zone 2. If you're going to expand to 11CH (ie. 7.1.4), the flagship X7200WA will allow you to reassign the onboard amp for the FL/FR, SBL/SBR, or Height 2 L/R (depending on which pair is being externally amplified) as Zone 2 or Zone 3 so you wouldn't need 2 amps.

dom6918 · 08-26-2015, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by asere

First did you calibrate is using audyssey?

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Yeah I did - the amp gave me some really low db levels per speaker. I have tried using every mode to listen to music and watch movies - just feels it lacks a real ness and punch. So getting a higher W amp will not give me that? I find that strange, why would you buy the X2200w over the x1200w otherwise?

dom6918 · 08-26-2015, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie

Nope. Did you run Audyssey using a tight pattern (ie. all 8 mic positions with 2-7 no more than 1-2' from the 1st mic position)? Do you have the master volume level up to at least 60/-20db?

Yeah I ran the full Audyssey 8 point setup - master volume is at 60 but all that does is make everything loud - which is not the "punch" I am talking about. I did have the Onkyo 646 which just felt more real in its midrange - when an acoustic guitar was strung, you would really feel it.

jdsmoothie · 08-26-2015, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dom6918

Yeah I did - the amp gave me some really low db levels per speaker. I have tried using every mode to listen to music and watch movies - just feels it lacks a real ness and punch. So getting a higher W amp will not give me that? I find that strange, why would you buy the X2200w over the x1200w otherwise?

Additional features/inputs/outputs.

asere · 08-26-2015, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dom6918

Yeah I ran the full Audyssey 8 point setup - master volume is at 60 but all that does is make everything loud - which is not the "punch" I am talking about. I did have the Onkyo 646 which just felt more real in its midrange - when an acoustic guitar was strung, you would really feel it.

My n646 out of the box without eq it sounded louder and more powerful at lower levels then the x1200. Onkyo is known for amplification. Now after running audyssey the x1200 should sound nice.
My couch vibrates at 70 on MV with my x1200.
Do you have DEQ on?

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dom6918 · 08-26-2015, 04:46 PM

Dynamic EQ - I believe it's on. The Onkyo sounded more lively at 40db, I have to turn the Denon up to 70 to hear much of anything on Netflix. Same for Interstellar - needs volume but then it's too loud!? I want the right kind of volume where you hear what you need to hear across the sound space.

My speakers are definitely not the bottleneck. The x2200w just got a 5 star review on whathifi, could it be that the x1200w is not enough amp for my speaker setup?

MarkMul1 · 08-26-2015, 05:50 PM

Check and see if dynamic vol is on. It will make things loud at lower volume but take away some punch and depth. I am having the same issue you have with my 2200. I turned off dynamic volume and need to be up near -15 to -7 to hear any kind of depth and mid punch. I was paranoid I was going to burn something up. From some research I've been told -15 or even -3 is norm for these.

I feel like my 2200 is weak. FYI

asere · 08-26-2015, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dom6918

Dynamic EQ - I believe it's on. The Onkyo sounded more lively at 40db, I have to turn the Denon up to 70 to hear much of anything on Netflix. Same for Interstellar - needs volume but then it's too loud!? I want the right kind of volume where you hear what you need to hear across the sound space.

My speakers are definitely not the bottleneck. The x2200w just got a 5 star review on whathifi, could it be that the x1200w is not enough amp for my speaker setup?

My Denon too. At 60 is not as loud but I find DEQ great because it boosts the volume at low level and gives me the punch I need. The Onkyo has the better amp I think. That's why at 40 the Denon is lower without DEQ on the Denon it's low.

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dom6918 · 08-26-2015, 07:08 PM

Thanks for the advice - I may just stick with the 1200 then. An extra 300 for very little difference would not be too appealing, such a shame the onkyo didn't work out! Was a better amp if AirPlay didn't crackle.

Will upgrade the amp in the future when o move the system into a house.

nohcho · 08-26-2015, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dom6918

Thanks for the advice - I may just stick with the 1200 then. An extra 300 for very little difference would not be too appealing, such a shame the onkyo didn't work out! Was a better amp if AirPlay didn't crackle.

Will upgrade the amp in the future when o move the system into a house.

i think im gonna keep my 646, got it for a song, as far as airplay goes, ill just get apple tv which can be had for around 60.

asere · 08-26-2015, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by nohcho

i think im gonna keep my 646, got it for a song, as far as airplay goes, ill just get apple tv which can be had for around 60.

The n646 is great regardless of no audyssey.
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asere · 08-26-2015, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dom6918

Thanks for the advice - I may just stick with the 1200 then. An extra 300 for very little difference would not be too appealing, such a shame the onkyo didn't work out! Was a better amp if AirPlay didn't crackle.

Will upgrade the amp in the future when o move the system into a house.

Are you sure you disabled the crossover defeat switch or set the crossover defeat to highest setting?

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dom6918 · 08-26-2015, 09:39 PM

What is a defeat switch and where do I find it?

dom6918 · 08-26-2015, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dom6918

i think im gonna keep my 646, got it for a song, as far as airplay goes, ill just get apple tv which can be had for around 60.

That would work but you are now spending 60 more.

The 646 was a good amp for sure, I've had 3 Onkyos though and each one has had issues. The denon works well without fault but you miss out on the Big Bang the onkyo has up its sleeve.

Rather have consistency than fault.

kisypher · 08-27-2015, 01:08 AM

A few pages back there was mention of Spotify issues. For example, my x2200w plays Spotify for a few seconds then stops. Is there a known fix?

jdsmoothie · 08-27-2015, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kisypher

A few pages back there was mention of Spotify issues. For example, my x2200w plays Spotify for a few seconds then stops. Is there a known fix?

Regarding the recent Spotify Connect connection issues with Denon and Marantz AVRs .............

We are aware of an issue with Spotify Connect and are currently working with Spotify on a resolution. In the interim, please use Bluetooth or Airplay if you have an iOS device to stream Spotify to your receiver. Thank you for your patience as we work to resolve this issue.

Thank you,

Technical Support/Custom Install
D+M Group

kisypher · 08-27-2015, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie

Regarding the recent Spotify Connect connection issues with Denon and Marantz AVRs .............

We are aware of an issue with Spotify Connect and are currently working with Spotify on a resolution. In the interim, please use Bluetooth or Airplay if you have an iOS device to stream Spotify to your receiver. Thank you for your patience as we work to resolve this issue.

Thank you,

Technical Support/Custom Install
D+M Group

Thanks for the info, appreciate it. 👍

asere · 08-27-2015, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dom6918

Couldn't agree more. HOWEVER you must consider a billion other factors into this. Wattage, features, sound, etc. I have gone through at least 6 different receivers from 4 different brands in the past 3 months. I am extremely picky and if I am not 100% satisfied with something (especially costing this much money) I send it back. I have owned an Onkyo SR602 since 2001 and I am trying to find a suitable replacement for my recently purchased Focal bookshelf 5.1 setup. Every trial run led me straight back to the Denon. Why? Audyssey, plain and simple. After much research and trying out the X3200W, I couldn't believe the "normalization?" that happens, and how the lower frequencies are crossed over to the subwoofer. It makes everything sound so REAL. Does this mean less boomy speakers? Maybe. Less boomy bass? Maybe. But it's without out a doubt, to MY ears, the most amazing sounding system I have heard to date. I have tried out the A1050, SR6010, VSX-81, SC-91, 646, X3200W. You can always try fiddling with crossover/bass level/other settings with your Denon. I hear you, Onkyo is "boomy" but to my ears also tinny. In the end what it all comes down to is personal preference, and Audyssey to me is absolutely the way to go. I ended up pre-ordering a X4200W from JD just to get the extra umph out of the wattage to fully give my speakers what I think they deserve.

Oh, and I always feel the need to drop a line for JD. He rocks, and yes is a saint with immaculate patience.

I agree with audyssey part but just because an avr has no audyssey doesn't make an avr sound boomy. I currently have the n646 and x1200. The n646 has more power and the bass is tight considering Onkyos onboard eq that they have now. Audyssey sounds even tighter maybe because of DEQ. Like you say it's all about preference.

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kbarnes701 · 08-27-2015, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by martusar

I ended up pre-ordering a X4200W from JD just to get the extra umph out of the wattage to fully give my speakers what I think they deserve.

You do realise that the X3200 delivers 105 watts (maker's spec) and the X4200 delivers 125 watts (maker's spec)? The 20 watt difference will make no noticeable difference at all for you. To gain just 3dB of additional output you need to double the wattage. So you would need to look for a unit that offered 210 watts to gain an appreciable difference over the X3200. As things stand the extra 20 watts of the X4200 will bring you about a third of one decibel of improvement, which is so minuscule you won't even hear it, and way too little a gain for it to have any benefit to your speakers.

Of course, there may be many other features which the X4200 offers over the X3200 and which you find attractive - but if you are changing to the X4200 for the "extra umph out of the wattage to fully give [your] speakers what they deserve" then you are wasting your money.

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