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If both zones are powered ON, then the same 4k source will pass to both 4k TVs; however, if the Zone 2 TV can only accept a 2CH stereo audio source, then the main zone would be down mixed to stereo 2.0 as well.
Zone2 TV is an LG OLED so I assume it can take the HDMI full signal. The Main zone is a Vizio 4K so I assume it takes the full signal. The only thing that remains confusing is how do you turn both on and operate the Denon for video/audio in the Main zone. Also, I am set to pass through so does this mean that when the Denon is powered off it will pass the Directv signal through both outputs? Or does the Denon have to be on to do that?

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How to get OTA antenna audio to Denon Receiver?

How do I get the audio from my over the air antenna to pass through my receiver to the speakers? I have a Mohu Leaf 50, Denon AVR-X2200W, and Samsung UN55H7150. The antenna is plugged into the tv and is picking up channels. When I turn the TV audio to the TV speakers it works. When I switch it to audio out to go to the receiver I get nothing. The TV has ARC on the HDMI 2 input, so I have an HDMI cable running from that HDMI port to the HDMI out with ARC on the receiver. I turned on HDMI control and set it to TV audio. I'm stumped. What am I missing?
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Does anyone know if the AVR-S710W has a HDMI Diagnostics mode?
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How do I get the audio from my over the air antenna to pass through my receiver to the speakers? I have a Mohu Leaf 50, Denon AVR-X2200W, and Samsung UN55H7150. The antenna is plugged into the tv and is picking up channels. When I turn the TV audio to the TV speakers it works. When I switch it to audio out to go to the receiver I get nothing. The TV has ARC on the HDMI 2 input, so I have an HDMI cable running from that HDMI port to the HDMI out with ARC on the receiver. I turned on HDMI control and set it to TV audio. I'm stumped. What am I missing?
For ARC to work, you also need to enable CEC (Anynet+) in the TV, which you didn't mention. You don't need to turn it on in the receiver. (See page 170 in the 2200's owner's manual, which can be downloaded from http://manuals.denon.com/avrx2200w/na/en/

Many people have problems getting ARC to work correctly, so they use an optical audio cable from the TV to the receiver.
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For ARC to work, you also need to enable CEC (Anynet+) in the TV, which you didn't mention. You don't need to turn it on in the receiver. (See page 170 in the 2200's owner's manual, which can be downloaded from http://manuals.denon.com/avrx2200w/na/en/

Many people have problems getting ARC to work correctly, so they use an optical audio cable from the TV to the receiver.
Turning on CEC (Anynet+) worked. Thank you!
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Turning on CEC (Anynet+) worked. Thank you!
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I seem to have an issue with ARC. Maybe you guys can help me understand what is going on. I have the Denon S710W with all the latest firmware & updates. I have 5 devices hooked up to my AVR, those devices being:
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Try cycling the HDMI-CEC on the PS4 to ON then OFF again and power off the TV, AVR, and PS4 as well as unplugging their respective power cables and HDMI cables for 10 minutes. Plug all cables back in and then power on the TV, pause 5 seconds, AVR at which point the AVR should switch to "TV Audio." If still no joy, try plugging the PS4 into each of the other HDMI inputs to see if the issue is resolved.
If this doesn't work, you could try using an HDMI switcher and switch to a port with no HDMI connected to remove the PS4 without pulling cables.
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Try cycling the HDMI-CEC on the PS4 to ON then OFF again and power off the TV, AVR, and PS4 as well as unplugging their respective power cables and HDMI cables for 10 minutes. Plug all cables back in and then power on the TV, pause 5 seconds, AVR at which point the AVR should switch to "TV Audio." If still no joy, try plugging the PS4 into each of the other HDMI inputs to see if the issue is resolved.
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If this doesn't work, you could try using an HDMI switcher and switch to a port with no HDMI connected to remove the PS4 without pulling cables.
Thanks for your input, suggestions, & help by the way fellas, very much appreciated!

The issue was with the TV prioritizing the PS4 due to them both being Sony products, & completely ignoring the Denon AVR altogether. Even after turning off the CEC function within the PS4 & disabling the prioritization of any Sony related product within the TV menu, I was still having the problem. Crazy thing is, as a final troubleshooting step I completely took away power from the PS4 (unplugging it), & even after doing that, the problem persisted (PS4 HDMI plugged in = no sound, PS4 HDMI unplugged = ARC working flawlessly), how it was able to still do that with no power coming from the PS4 is beyond me. Called Denon tech support, they were stomped, called Sony TV advanced tech support again & they were stomped. They had to escalate the issue to the engineering department. The Sony tech advised me that for now, a simple temporary fix for this was to buy a "CEC-less HDMI adapter". Did some research & found one for about $23 on Amazon. Upon reading the reviews, a few buyers said don't buy it because all that needed to be done was to remove pin 13 from the HDMI cable. I did just that & removed pin 13 on one end of the PS4's HDMI cable, plugged it back in & now EVERYTHING is working the way it's supposed to. Hallelujah!!!!!!

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Does anyone know if the AVR-S710W has a HDMI Diagnostics mode?
It does not. This feature only started with the 2017 models.
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Zone2 TV is an LG OLED so I assume it can take the HDMI full signal. The Main zone is a Vizio 4K so I assume it takes the full signal. The only thing that remains confusing is how do you turn both on and operate the Denon for video/audio in the Main zone. Also, I am set to pass through so does this mean that when the Denon is powered off it will pass the Directv signal through both outputs? Or does the Denon have to be on to do that?
Main zone TV - powered on using HDMI-CEC or TV remote or other universal remote (eg. Harmony)

Zone 2 TV - powered on using TV remote or other universal remote

HDMI Standby pass through only works with the main zone TV.
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Crazy thing is, as a final troubleshooting step I completely took away power from the PS4 (unplugging it), & even after doing that, the problem persisted (PS4 HDMI plugged in = no sound, PS4 HDMI unplugged = ARC working flawlessly), how it was able to still do that with no power coming from the PS4 is beyond me.
5V DC power is provided over HDMI cables by the receiver and is used to power EDID circuitry even when connected devices are powered off.

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Main zone TV - powered on using HDMI-CEC or TV remote or other universal remote (eg. Harmony)

Zone 2 TV - powered on using TV remote or other universal remote

HDMI Standby pass through only works with the main zone TV.
I have tried numerous combinations now that I am back in town and nothing works out of Zone 2 to the Den TV. On top of that I am now not getting any audio out of Monitor, just the picture. Any idea what I did to cause that?

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I have tried numerous combinations now that I am back in town and nothing works out of Zone 2 to the Den TV. On top of that I am now not getting any audio out of Monitor, just the picture. Any idea what I did to cause that?
If Zone 2 is powered ON, and an HDMI source is selected, then it should pass through to the Zone 2 TV.
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If Zone 2 is powered ON, and an HDMI source is selected, then it should pass through to the Zone 2 TV.
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Nevermind. That was last night after all of my experimenting. This morning I tested it and all was well. I will re-check under the scenario you describe above. Last night it didn't work. Perhaps there is another setting I have to change, maybe under the HDMI setting menu? Can the Zone 2 and Main be powered on at the same time? Dumb question I know but I wanted to make sure.

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Can the Zone 2 and Main be powered on at the same time? Dumb question I know but I wanted to make sure.

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Nevermind. That was last night after all of my experimenting. This morning I tested it and all was well. I will re-check under the scenario you describe above. Last night it didn't work. Perhaps there is another setting I have to change, maybe under the HDMI setting menu? Can the Zone 2 and Main be powered on at the same time? Dumb question I know but I wanted to make sure.
Yes, not only can both zones be powered on at the same time (ie. esp to play independent sources to each zone), but the main zone can even be powered off leaving only Zone 2 powered on.
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No firmware update for my 6200W yet, in EU.

Anyone received the update already?
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No firmware update for my 6200W yet, in EU.

Anyone received the update already?
Checked this morning and nothing yet but hopefully should be some time this week.

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I just received notice of a firmware update that includes adding DV passthrough for my x3200w. Just updated, rewired my Apple TV, and it works. I now get DolbyVision through my Denon from my ATV Netflix passing through the Blu-Ray HDMI port. The firmware is Version 5400-6451-4472, DTS version 3.90.50.00.
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I just received notice of a firmware update that includes adding DV passthrough for my x3200w. Just updated, rewired my Apple TV, and it works. I now get DolbyVision through my Denon from my ATV Netflix passing through the Blu-Ray HDMI port. The firmware is Version 5400-6451-4472, DTS version 3.90.50.00.
Interesting that you just got it. The update for that model was released last Monday.

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Going by the release timeline for the 2016 models last year, you are on track for a likely update coming this week.
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Having bought a X4400H for my main setup at home, I took my X2200W over to my g/f's place to upgrade things there. Her family has HD DirecTV (not 4K) and a Mini Genie receiver (model C61-100) in that room. I swap out the Sony STR-DN840 AVR and put in the X2200, connecting the Mini Genie, a Roku Ultra, a Samsung BD player, and a VCR (yeah, yeah) to it and connect it all to a Sharp Aquos LC-60LE632U, a nearly 7-year-old 1080p set w/o ARC.

The PROBLEM problem is that the signal drops repeatedly on DTV, blanking out the screen and almost always the audio as well. It is maddeningly intermittent, but constantly occurring. It will go a few minutes or perhaps up to a half-hour without blanking, then go out 2-3 times in 30-60 seconds. I have tried three different cables between the Mini Genie box and the receiver, trying two different inputs (Cable/Sat and DVD) and also two different cables and inputs on the TV, HDMI-1 & 2. I tried turning on video conversion to output 1080p, but that didn't solve things and introduced wicked ghosting on any motion from 1080i channels. UPDATE: I completely disconnected the Mini Genie box from power, antenna in, and HDMI and let it sit for 15 minutes with no change.

This never happened with the Sony in the middle and the Denon exhibited no problems on those inputs. We watched the Roku for two hours without a single hiccup.

I've searched this thread and the only reference to the Mini Genie is with switching between 4K and non-4K channels. Fruitlessly Googling around, I came across some references to Sharp Aquos TVs having issues that could be resolved by turning off ARC, but this set predates that. (It uses digital optical out for set audio, which we no longer use.) The intermittent nature of the blanking makes troubleshooting and verifying a resolution difficult. Anyone else experience this behavior and if so, how did you resolve it?

The lesser problem is that the VCR isn't working. I plugged it into the DVD composite video and audio jacks and turned off DVD HDMI input #2 and set the video and audio to analog, but nothing comes through.

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Having bought a X4400H for my main setup at home, I took my X2200W over to my g/f's place to upgrade things there. Her family has HD DirecTV (not 4K) and a Mini Genie receiver (model C61-100) in that room. I swap out the Sony STR-DN840 AVR and put in the X2200, connecting the Mini Genie, a Roku Ultra, a Samsung BD player, and a VCR (yeah, yeah) to it and connect it all to a Sharp Aquos LC-60LE632U, a nearly 7-year-old 1080p set w/o ARC.

The PROBLEM problem is that the signal drops repeatedly on DTV, blanking out the screen and almost always the audio as well. It is maddeningly intermittent, but constantly occurring. It will go a few minutes or perhaps up to a half-hour without blanking, then go out 2-3 times in 30-60 seconds. I have tried three different cables between the Mini Genie box and the receiver, trying two different inputs (Cable/Sat and DVD) and also two different cables and inputs on the TV, HDMI-1 & 2. I tried turning on video conversion to output 1080p, but that didn't solve things and introduced wicked ghosting on any motion from 1080i channels.

This never happened with the Sony in the middle and the Denon exhibited no problems on those inputs. We watched the Roku for two hours without a single hiccup.

I've searched this thread and the only reference to the Mini Genie is with switching between 4K and non-4K channels. Fruitlessly Googling around, I came across some references to Sharp Aquos TVs having issues that could be resolved by turning off ARC, but this set predates that. (It uses digital optical out for set audio, which we no longer use.) The intermittent nature of the blanking makes troubleshooting and verifying a resolution difficult. Anyone else experience this behavior and if so, how did you resolve it?

The lesser problem is that the VCR isn't working. I plugged it into the DVD composite video and audio jacks and turned off DVD HDMI input #2 and set the video and audio to analog, but nothing comes through.

Hope someone has some helpful hints. TIA!
Be sure to try EVERY HDMI input (not just CBL/SAT and DVD) as the ones closer to the HDMI Monitor outputs may work best.

To mitigate HDMI handshake issues, power on the TV first, pause 5 seconds, AVR, pause 5 seconds, Mini Genie.

Although the X2200W can do analog --> HDMI conversion, there's no guarantee it works for every analog source in which the VCR video will have to be connected to the TV.

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I don't see how this matters because when I fire up the system, the picture comes through fine. It's that it keeps dumping at intermittent times afterwards.
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This is my X2200W, not the X4300H. (And I have an X4400 now at home.) Are you saying I may have to run the VCR to the TV and then bring back to AVR via optical? (Time to figure out where I put those optical cables I used to use with my old pre-HDMI surround system.)

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Be sure to try EVERY HDMI input (not just CBL/SAT and DVD) as the ones closer to the HDMI Monitor outputs may work best.

To mitigate HDMI handshake issues, power on the TV first, pause 5 seconds, AVR, pause 5 seconds, Mini Genie.

Although the X4300H can do analog --> HDMI conversion, there's no guarantee it works for every analog source in which the VCR video will have to be connected to the TV.
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Having bought a X4400H for my main setup at home, I took my X2200W over to my g/f's place to upgrade things there. Her family has HD DirecTV (not 4K) and a Mini Genie receiver (model C61-100) in that room. I swap out the Sony STR-DN840 AVR and put in the X2200, connecting the Mini Genie, a Roku Ultra, a Samsung BD player, and a VCR (yeah, yeah) to it and connect it all to a Sharp Aquos LC-60LE632U, a nearly 7-year-old 1080p set w/o ARC.

The PROBLEM problem is that the signal drops repeatedly on DTV, blanking out the screen and almost always the audio as well. It is maddeningly intermittent, but constantly occurring. It will go a few minutes or perhaps up to a half-hour without blanking, then go out 2-3 times in 30-60 seconds. I have tried three different cables between the Mini Genie box and the receiver, trying two different inputs (Cable/Sat and DVD) and also two different cables and inputs on the TV, HDMI-1 & 2. I tried turning on video conversion to output 1080p, but that didn't solve things and introduced wicked ghosting on any motion from 1080i channels.

This never happened with the Sony in the middle and the Denon exhibited no problems on those inputs. We watched the Roku for two hours without a single hiccup.


I've searched this thread and the only reference to the Mini Genie is with switching between 4K and non-4K channels. Fruitlessly Googling around, I came across some references to Sharp Aquos TVs having issues that could be resolved by turning off ARC, but this set predates that. (It uses digital optical out for set audio, which we no longer use.) The intermittent nature of the blanking makes troubleshooting and verifying a resolution difficult. Anyone else experience this behavior and if so, how did you resolve it?

The lesser problem is that the VCR isn't working. I plugged it into the DVD composite video and audio jacks and turned off DVD HDMI input #2 and set the video and audio to analog, but nothing comes through.

Hope someone has some helpful hints. TIA!

You might also try resetting the C-61 - disconnect the power for a few minutes and then plug back in and see if that helps.

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You might also try resetting the C-61 - disconnect the power for a few minutes and then plug back in and see if that helps.
I did that. Forgot to mention in my OP. Will add that.

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I don't see how this matters because when I fire up the system, the picture comes through fine. It's that it keeps dumping at intermittent times afterwards.
This is my X2200W, not the X4300H. (And I have an X4400 now at home.) Are you saying I may have to run the VCR to the TV and then bring back to AVR via optical? (Time to figure out where I put those optical cables I used to use with my old pre-HDMI surround system.)
1. I wouldn't have suggested it if it didn't matter.
2. Correct, if the TV allows that from a non-HDMI source otherwise, the analog audio cables will have to remain connected from the VCR to the AVR.
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Hope someone has some helpful hints. TIA!

For Directv problem:
-Can the Directv box be forced to ALWAYS output 1080p?
-Try playing with settings in the AVR like ARC Off, HDMI Control Off, Video Conversion On, I/P Scaler Analog/HDMI on, and most important Resolution set to 1080p.

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For Directv problem:
-Can the Directv box be forced to ALWAYS output 1080p?
-Try playing with settings in the AVR like ARC Off, HDMI Control Off, Video Conversion On, I/P Scaler Analog/HDMI on, and most important Resolution set to 1080p.
- There is a list of check boxes for resolutions your TV can support - 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p - and IIRC we ran into a problem where if the box wasn't set to output the resolution of the source signal, then the channel wouldn't appear. Specifically, when trying to watch the local ABC affiliate, the sat box had to have 720p ticked; I had set it up for 1080i and 1080p IIRC.



- There is no ARC off option because the TV doesn't do ARC, so the Denon doesn't even offer the option. (During setup, it specifically showed the digital input, not ARC.) As I thought I mentioned in my OP, I have tried turning the scaler on and off and turning it on and locking to 1080p doesn't solve the problem AND it introduced bad motion ghosting. Just people nodding their heads looked like The Matrix.

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I have tried three different cables between the Mini Genie box and the receiver, trying two different inputs (Cable/Sat and DVD)
Try the receiver's HDMI input ports 5-7.

Inputs 1-4 go through an HDMI port expansion to a single port on the internal HDMI switch but inputs 5-7 connect directly to the HDMI switch. Going through those two levels of HDMI switching sometimes causes problems.

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But are any of those cables that you tried "Certified Premium"?
Premium certification is needed both for the cable between the player device and the receiver and for the cable between the receiver and the TV.

My impression from the problems that many people have reported is that the HDMI output signals of 4K-capable D&M equipment are not as robust as they might be. As a result, even when they're not being used for 4K UHD signals, they need Certified Premium cables in order to minimize the attenuation and dispersion of the HDMI signals.
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