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Sept. for the X6200W too?
No firm date yet, but likely yes as that is when the X5200W was released last year.
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You could look the price history of the X4100W: geizhals.eu/?phist=1133024. Most likely the initial price of X4200W will also decrease quite soon, if you are willing to wait.

Thanks. Great site! Found the X4100W at 809€ there, so I bought it. I'll upgrade in a few years if I need to.
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Hmmm...

Front page of this thread shows the MSRP on the 910w is $579, while the 1200X is $599. "Street" will probably be lower, but that's only $20 more for the 1200x to get the extra year of warranty and Audessey XT32 (but losing 15w/channel). That seems like a no brainer; 80 watts is plenty for my setup, I'm far more interested in the better bass equalization than raw top end punch since I'm rarely if ever at the top end.

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Hmmm...

Front page of this thread shows the MSRP on the 910w is $579, while the 1200X is $599. "Street" will probably be lower, but that's only $20 more for the 1200x to get the extra year of warranty and Audessey XT32 (but losing 15w/channel). That seems like a no brainer; 80 watts is plenty for my setup, I'm far more interested in the better bass equalization than raw top end punch since I'm rarely if ever at the top end.
Well technically the s910w is comparable to the x2200w whereas the x1200w is the step up of the s710w. Denon has a pretty cool comparison section at the bottom of their product pages so you can see what you would actually lose a little (besides the warranty) by going from the s910w to the x1200w, most notably you drop down to only 5 HDMI inputs + 1 in front vs 7/1 on the s910w.

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Hmmm...

Front page of this thread shows the MSRP on the 910w is $579, while the 1200X is $599. "Street" will probably be lower, but that's only $20 more for the 1200x to get the extra year of warranty and Audessey XT32 (but losing 15w/channel). That seems like a no brainer; 80 watts is plenty for my setup, I'm far more interested in the better bass equalization than raw top end punch since I'm rarely if ever at the top end.
The S910W features Audyssey MultEQ while the X1200W features Audyssey MultEQ XT, and while XT has better "speaker" EQ than does MultEQ, both have the same level of bass equalization and any difference in power will be negligible.

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No firm date yet, but likely yes as that is when the X5200W was released last year.
Do you know the dimensions and usd msrp of the 6200?

I saw 2299 euros on a German site. Hope it's less in USD.

I have a 4311 that barely fits and was wondering if it's about the same size.
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Dimensions are unknown as yet, but likely no different than the X5200W which has the same width as the X4311CI and about the same height but about 1" shorter in depth.
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Dimensions are unknown as yet, but likely no different than the X5200W which has the same width as the X4311CI and about the same height but about 1" shorter in depth.
I really hope you're right.

It's the height that would be a problem for me. A 7200 wouldn't fit without some sawing.
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I really hope you're right.

It's the height that would be a problem for me. A 7200 wouldn't fit without some sawing.
The X7200WA is about 1" taller in height.
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If the fit is THAT tight I would be concerned about ventilation / overheating

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Lots of great info here. Just ordered me an AVR-X2200W, never owned a Denon before so I'm looking forward to testing it out.
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Did you guys get your 2200's?
Yup, arrived yesterday and available now for order.
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Is there a difference in Audyssey between the x4100w and the x4200w? Not sure if Audyssey gets upgraded over time or remains the same...

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Is there a difference in Audyssey between the x4100w and the x4200w? Not sure if Audyssey gets upgraded over time or remains the same...

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No, rather it is the same and has not been updated in the last 5 years.
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Hmmm...

Front page of this thread shows the MSRP on the 910w is $579, while the 1200X is $599. "Street" will probably be lower, but that's only $20 more for the 1200x to get the extra year of warranty and Audessey XT32 (but losing 15w/channel). That seems like a no brainer; 80 watts is plenty for my setup, I'm far more interested in the better bass equalization than raw top end punch since I'm rarely if ever at the top end.
The S910W features Audyssey MultEQ while the X1200W features Audyssey MultEQ XT, and while XT has better "speaker" EQ than does MultEQ, both have the same level of bass equalization and any difference in power will be negligible.
This raises a question, for me: when Audyssey lists on their website 128x filter resolution for the subwoofer and only 16x for satellites on XT, do they really mean 128x LF vs. 16x MF/HF? (For instance if mains are run as large or it's a subwoofer-less system)
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This raises a question, for me: when Audyssey lists on their website 128x filter resolution for the subwoofer and only 16x for satellites on XT, do they really mean 128x LF vs. 16x MF/HF? (For instance if mains are run as large or it's a subwoofer-less system)
Nope, They mean audio sent to the subwoofer specifically. Although with no subwoofer in the setup, the LFE is sent to the FL/FR speakers, they are still EQ'd using the speaker numbers. This is especially important for those not using a dedicated sub but rather just using speakers with built-in subwoofers (eg. Def Tech) as the mfr suggests running them as LARGE. The better configuration is SMALL/80Hz with a subwoofer pre-out running to each Front speaker and Subwoofer can then be set to YES and the much better subwoofer EQ applied.
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I am / was waiting for the x4200w this Fall, but I must admit that for the price, I'm really thinking of the S700W at $250. If so, just stick with it for several years and possibly go straight to an 8K unit...

I understand that talking price is somewhat taboo here, but can one provide an approximate, expected price for the x4200w that we might see this September? Over $1k I suppose? Thanks much.

EDIT / ADD: Just saw pricing on the current AVR-X4100W... No answer needed. Just got the S700W and will milk 1080 for several years...

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I just received the AVR-X2200W Denon receiver from AVScience. It is all hooked up and sounds great. Hopefully, I'll be able to do a bit of a review in the next day or so.
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I just received the AVR-X2200W Denon receiver from AVScience. It is all hooked up and sounds great. Hopefully, I'll be able to do a bit of a review in the next day or so.
Looking forward to hearing your impressions! I saw you originally had a Pioneer VSX-90--how does the X2200 compare? My system is similar to yours (Def Tech), do you think the X1200 would be sufficient in power? Any thoughts on Audyssey XT vs MCACC?
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Looking forward to hearing your impressions! I saw you originally had a Pioneer VSX-90--how does the X2200 compare? My system is similar to yours (Def Tech), do you think the X1200 would be sufficient in power? Any thoughts on Audyssey XT vs MCACC?
The short answer to your question on power is, No.

And in regard to Audyssey vs. MCACC, IMO Audyssey does a much more thorough job in calibrating speaker layout. It seemed that Pioneer got the job done but the overall impact was loose after I had listened to it for a while. And the more I ran the speaker set up, the more I realized the Pioneer had reached it's limit, so setting it up again wasn't gaining anything. In fact the more I listened to the Pioneer, the less I enjoyed it, until I sold it. It started out well, but in the end it just didn't have the punch that I was hoping it had. The Denon on the other hand seems to provide a full rich impactful sound that appears as though it will be sustained long term and significant. Audyssey IMO flat out does a better job of integrating the mix of what is offered it sound wise, as opposed to MCACC. Again, that is just my opinion. But there is a noticeable difference in the outcome to my ear. I won't be trying another Pioneer Receiver. That is how disappointed I was in the outcome provided by the setup through MCACC.
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Very good to hear. Keep us posted.

I too am going from a VSX-90 to a 2200. I am swapping it with BB so I have a 3-4 days to go before i get it.
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The units that require a "2ch amp" to get their full 5.2.4 or 7.2.4 atmos, can you amp the L/R mains and then have the remaining 7 or 9 channels ran off the receiver, or do you have to amp a specific output?
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The units that require a "2ch amp" to get their full 5.2.4 or 7.2.4 atmos, can you amp the L/R mains and then have the remaining 7 or 9 channels ran off the receiver, or do you have to amp a specific output?
Yes, although only possible on last year's X5200W and X7200WA, the new X4200W introduces more possible amp assign settings to expand from 7CH--> 9CH to include the FL/FR speakers which is also true for the X6200W as well.

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How does Denon handle HMDI connections when unplugged, and if it makes any difference, particularly the S700W? I'll have reason to be away from home about 6+ the weeks several times the remainder of the year, and I imagine the rest of family won't have reason to fire-up the AVR...
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How does Denon handle HMDI connections when unplugged, and if it makes any difference, particularly the S700W? I'll have reason to be away from home about 6+ the weeks several times the remainder of the year, and I imagine the rest of family won't have reason to fire-up the AVR...

Denon's like most other brand name receivers have a feature called HDMI passthrough. This feature allows the audio & video content from a source like a cable box for example to pass through the receiver with the receiver's power off. This allows for the audio & video content to be watched on a television without turning on the Denon receiver or any other A/V receiver for that matter, if the HDMI passthrough feature is provided. The one thing about it is, the receiver must be plugged into the electrical wall outlet or power strip. I'm not sure if the S700W has HDMI pass through. I've not looked at their features. You'd have to look.
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Devon's like most other brand name receivers have a feature called HDMI passthrough. This feature allows the audio & video content from a source like a cable box for example to pass through the receiver with the receiver's power off. This allows for the audio & video content to be watched on a television without turning on the Denon receiver or any other A/V receiver for that matter, if the HDMI passthrough feature is provided. The one thing about it is, the receiver must be plugged into the electrical wall outlet or power strip. I'm not sue if the S700W has HDMI pass through. I've not looked at their features. You'd have to look.
Thanks for the fast reply and info HotAhr. The S700W does have passthrough alright, but the references I've found are for standby mode, which of course means that the unit is receiving power. Curious what I can expect with it off, unplugged. I just got it today actually, but haven't opened it yet, and I won't have time until this weekend...
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Yes. You can amp the FL/FR mains.
I thought that was not possible for the X4100 in 5.2.4 setup (ext amp assigned to top rear only). Is it now possible in the newer X#200 series?
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Thanks for the fast reply and info HotAhr. The S700W does have passthrough alright, but the references I've found are for standby mode, which of course means that the unit is receiving power. Curious what I can expect with it off, unplugged. I just got it today actually, but haven't opened it yet, and I won't have time until this weekend...

A receiver can't do anything if it is unplugged. How is it supposed to?

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A receiver can't do anything if it is unplugged. How is it supposed to?
I realize that it can't perform any switching between various inputs of course (with no power), but if one simply has one HDMI input, and one output, I was curious if it would pass the signal...
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I realize that it can't perform any switching between various inputs of course (with no power), but if one simply has one HDMI input, and one output, I was curious if it would pass the signal...
The receiver needs to have some power so that the internal circuitry will connect with the right HDMI input and HDMI output.

Also, longer term power outage risks losing all user settings. Pulling the plug on the receiver for about 10 minutes is a soft reset. Pulling the plug on the receiver to 6+ weeks is a different matter.

If you intend to pull the plug on the receiver for that long of a period, be sure to carry out the SAVE/LOAD configuration as outlined by jdsmoothie. You may have to do a factory reset and reLOADing a good configuration will be easier than going through the setup again. Also remember directly connect the HDMI cable/sat box to the TV as the receiver does not allow pass through when the power plug is pulled.
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