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post #241 of 17636 Old 07-15-2015, 06:28 AM - Thread Starter
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I did not post to be talked down to and treated like I was lying and changing my story. It was a typo, DTX instead of DTS. I know DTS-X is not out yet I was saying I hope it hurries up so I can use their up converter if DSU did not work. I don't care who you are or how long you've been selling whatever to who ever. You need to take a chill pill and a vacation.

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I'm using a Panasonic player. I just looked at the 7200 manual online and it shows DTS + Dolby Surround as an option. The 2200 manual does not show it as an option. I'm bummed as I really enjoy it.

You obviously misread the intent of my post as there was no intention of talking down, rather simply trying to "clarify" what type audio the AVR is receiving.
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Don't think I did and don't want to get in a long back and forth. There may be just a TINY chance you could learn something from this.
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Now,

Back to my original problem.

Anyone else with a new 2200 have the same issue? I think with the manual saying what it does, it won't work. Cant imagine why you can on 7200 and not 2200.
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Don't think I did and don't want to get in a long back and forth. There may be just a TINY chance you could learn something from this.
Think again. As a disinterested observer, I'd say your umbrage was sorely misplaced. If you want others to respond to your questions/issues I suggest a more tolerant and less defensive approach.
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Yeah Yeah

No way he needs to rethink his bedside manners. And he was wrong, it will not play DTS + Dolby Surround.

I'm just tired of ignoring stuff and letting rude people get away with it. Not the first time for a condescending answer, to me or others.

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One thing that kills me about these AVR manufacturers is how they treat HD radio like a premium feature. I don't really listen to radio often at home, but it kills me that I have portable devices that are over 5 years old that can do HD radio yet a brand new state of the art AVR can't and you have to upgrade to the $2k model before you can get it. It's less than a dollar's worth of silicon at this point to make it happen.
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Interestingly I had this problem in another bluray/reciever combo. It has been a while and I dont recall the model if either. I do remember changing the bluray player to output pcm (I think) vs bitstream which decoded in player and sent that data to the reciever. It could then be upmixed no problem.
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One thing that kills me about these AVR manufacturers is how they treat HD radio like a premium feature. I don't really listen to radio often at home, but it kills me that I have portable devices that are over 5 years old that can do HD radio yet a brand new state of the art AVR can't and you have to upgrade to the $2k model before you can get it. It's less than a dollar's worth of silicon at this point to make it happen.
Most former radio listeners have likely gravitated over to internet radio and other network audio services. Yamaha has removed HD radio from all of its 2015 AVR models.
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Most former radio listeners have likely gravitated over to internet radio and other network audio services. Yamaha has removed HD radio from all of its 2015 AVR models.
While true, it doesn't quite beat the simplicity of just turning a radio on. Also, many markets have specialized HD radio subchannels that aren't always available for streaming.

It's not a huge deal because some workarounds are available, it's just an oddity. They often cram these things full of features that most people would never use but then pass over this one thing. I don't really buy the licensing cost argument either since I imagine licensing all the codecs that a receiver has to use normally is already a pretty large burden, the incremental cost of the HD radio codec can't be much more.

Honestly, including streaming at all in these receivers is strange. It's so limited and rudimentary when you can get a much more fully featured setup with a sub $50 dongle that it hardly seems worth the effort.
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I thought about changing to PCM and giving that a try. I shall try it. Manual does say PCM + Dolby Surround will work.


Just does not make sense on Denon's part to do this.
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Set the DTS only output on Panasonic player to PCM and got Multi + DSU......

FYI to anyone with a new 2200 and trying to use the wonderful Dolby Surround mode.
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OK

Set the DTS only output on Panasonic player to PCM and got Multi + DSU......

FYI to anyone with a new 2200 and trying to use the wonderful Dolby Surround mode.
It looks like, after going through the x2200w manual, that DTS sound format will only be able to use DTS-Neural Upmixer so it will appear as DTS-HD + DTS-Neural when that firmware is released. I wonder if all Denons will go to this when DTS-X is released?

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To add to the above, going through the x1200w manual confirms that the ability to use Dolby Surround Upmixer with any DTS source or DTS Upmixer with any Dolby Source does not exist in at least the x1200w or the x2200w.

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I'm still anxiously awaiting my 2200!

Is it possible this is only an issue on the DTS Master Loseless bitstream to Dolby Upmix? It was only the loseless formats on the other reciever be it Dolby or DTS it could not upmix.

Unless you have a 7200 that is
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I'm still anxiously awaiting my 2200!

Is it possible this is only an issue on the DTS Master Loseless bitstream to Dolby Upmix? It was only the loseless formats on the other reciever be it Dolby or DTS it could not upmix.

Unless you have a 7200 that is
Or X5200W and most likely X4100W as well. Unless another X2200W owner can test this we'll have to wait for your response once you receive your unit.
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Or X5200W and most likely X4100W as well. Unless another X2200W owner can test this we'll have to wait for your response once you receive your unit.
I don't have anything beyond a 5.1 setup, but on DD soundtracks, even 5.1 ones, it allows me to select "Dolby Digital + Dolby Surround". The receiver doesn't seem to care if you don't have enough speakers to utilize the DSU on whatever soundtrack you have, it still allows you to select it.

I popped in Kingsman last night which has a DTS-MA track and it did not allow me to select any mode that added the DSU. I forget what it allowed me to cycle though, but none of the were "+ Dolby Surround."
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The manual looks like no DTS loseless can.

I did set my player to send DTS out PCM and put the same rental disc back in and i did have the choice now to chose Multi + DSU.
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Important to note that none of the 2014 Atmos model Owner's manuals show the ability to use Dolby Surround on the multi channel DTS audio signals either, which we know is not the case.
Actually they all show the ability to use Dolby Surround with DTS sources. I just went through the current x4100w, x5200w, and x7200wa manuals. They all show both DTS + DS and DTS-HD+DS as selectable.
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The manual looks like no DTS loseless can.

I did set my player to send DTS out PCM and put the same rental disc back in and i did have the choice now to chose Multi + DSU.
Yup I am seeing the same thing based on the manual. Multi In will be able to use either DSU or DTS-Neural (when released).

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When does the 4200 come out again!
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Actually they all show the ability to use Dolby Surround with DTS sources. I just went through the current x4100w, x5200w, and x7200wa manuals. They all show both DTS + DS and DTS-HD+DS as selectable.
Oops! Yup, was looking in the Dolby Surround section.
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While true, it doesn't quite beat the simplicity of just turning a radio on. Also, many markets have specialized HD radio subchannels that aren't always available for streaming.
Just to confirm that you are not alone, I posted similar remarks in another thread last month:

"I am addicted to HD Radio; it's the only medium I use for listening to local radio stations, whether at home or in my car. Not only is the reception great (since it's a digital signal, there's no appreciable interference: either you receive the signal or you do not), but it provides access to a number of specialized substations not on the AM/FM radio dial. For instance, my local PBS station, WABE, has some classical music, some "news," and some talk programs. I can get the same signal at WABE-HD1 clear as a bell. But I am only interested in the classical music programming, which WABE-HD2 provides exclusive of all the other clutter. If I wanted the "news" and talk programming without the music I could tune in to WABE-HD3."

I understand that the HD Radio signal is not very good in some markets, but for me here in Atlanta it is usually indistinguishable from its streaming counterpart station. As far as I am concerned, D&M could drop the AM/FM tuner as long as they include HD Radio. While my main source for music is internet radio for its vast selection, I still value HD Radio for the unique local specialized substations and clear reception.

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Looking at the new manuals why has the X3200W been downgraded to the silver Audyssey ?
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Surround and multi-room speakers connection

Hi,
I am new to the forum and I have a question about connecting pre-wired in-ceiling speakers in our new home.
There are 5 speakers in the family room for surround, and 3 additional pairs of speakers, each pair in 3 adjacent areas (kitchen, dining room, and outside patio).


The sources of audio/video that I will have, will be :
- Fios or Comcast TV signal
- Mini desktop next to TV that I will use to play internet and locally stored movies or music (eventually, I want this PC and all its cables out of there, and be able to do all that wirelessly with tablets)
- Phones/Tablets streaming Spotify/Pandora audio to be played by the speakers (through the receiver directly or Sonos maybe)


The scenarios and zones that I am thinking will be mainly two:
- First zone for the family room to play movies/music in that room
- Second zone for the other rooms (especially the outdoor patio), where I may want to listen to a different source than the one being played in the family room
- I would also like to be able to play the same source (mainly music) at all speakers


For the family room, I understand that I will need a 5.1 receiver to hook-up the 5 speakers of that room.
I am thinking of waiting for the Denon AVR-X3200W to become available and get that one.


For the other rooms, I was thinking of getting a speaker selector like the OSD Audio ATM-7 Digital 7-Zone Dual Source Speaker Selector. My thinking is that I would connect the 3 rooms speakers to the speaker selector and the selector to the surround back speaker posts of the receiver, and assign those as Zone 2.


I think that it would be a good idea for the Zone 2 to be able to receive digital input source, in case I add a Sonos Connect or some other device to the receiver. Also, I would like to be able to listen to Spotify and network sources in Zone 2.


Therefore, do you think the above setup with the speaker selector would work with the AVR-X3200W and would this receiver be able to support digital input source (from a Sonos digital connection to the receiver for example)?


I noticed that only the models X3... and upwards support digital input in Zone 2, hence my question.


Finally, if you have any other better suggestions on how to connect my in-ceiling speakers, please feel free to let me know.


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Looking at the new manuals why has the X3200W been downgraded to the silver Audyssey ?
The two additional features added in the Gold Audyssey are Audyssey DSX and Audyssey Pro capable, neither of which is now featured on the X3200W.

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Links have been added in post ##1 for the new X3200W and X4200W; however, the Denon X4200W Owner's manual has not been listed yet on Denon's website.

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I noticed that only the models X3... and upwards support digital input in Zone 2, hence my question.


Finally, if you have any other better suggestions on how to connect my in-ceiling speakers, please feel free to let me know.


Thanks in advance,
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Yes, the X3200W would be the lowest model that can pass digital audio to Zone 2; however, you'll want to use an external amp (eg. AudioSource100) connected to the Zone 2 pre-outs to power your other zone speakers connecting the speaker selector to the external 2CH amp as the AVR isn't designed to power that many additional zone speakers..


http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AM...udiosource+100
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Links have been added in post ##1 for the new X3200W and X4200W; however, the Denon X4200W Owner's manual has not been listed yet on Denon's website.
Awesome! Any word on pre-order time frame for either of them?

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Looks like this is finally the year to upgrade my AVR and TV. I currently have a 7.1 setup in my media room and I'm going to add in-ceiling speakers for Atmos. Due the small size of the room, the couch being on the back wall, and fairly high ceilings, I'm thinking I only "need" two overhead speakers.

My question is, should I just add the two extra speakers to my current setup, giving me a 7.1.2 setup? Or would I most likely get the same benefit from a 5.1.2 setup? The major difference being whether or not I need to upgrade to the x4200, or if the x3200 will suffice. Having to add an additional power amp to the x4200 already had me leaning towards "settling" for the x3200.

Thanks in advance for all of your guidance.

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