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The "OFFICIAL" 2015 Denon "S-series" / "X-series" AVR Owner's thread + FAQ (HDCP 2.2)

2015 Denon AVR models ---> S510BT/S710W/S910W/X1200W/X2200W/X3200W/X4200W/X6200W

D&M USA should be making an official announcement mid June regarding the new 2015 USA Denon lower level AVR models [S510BT/S710W/S910W/X1200W/X2200W] so it's time to start the official 2015 thread. The announcement for the higher models X3200W and X4200W will be in late July with an announcement on the X6200W likely to be made in August. The 2014 "flagship" X7200W remains the flagship model for 2015 (although as of May 2015 is now being released with the HDCP 2.2 upgrade from the factory as the X7200WA) and has its own thread (actually 2 of them, (1) X7200WA Owners thread, and (2) Denon 2014 Atmos Owner's thread).

Last year we split up the threads into the Atmos and non-Atmos models so the lower level model thread wouldn't get inundated with Atmos questions. However, because Atmos will be featured on all 2015 models (except the S510BT), we're going to only have a single thread as the setup and troubleshooting questions asked generally have the same answer regardless of the model.


What's new or to be added via firmware update for the 2015 models?

All Models
- HDMI 2.0a(HDR10) hardware and firmware is installed on all models.

S510BT
- HDMI 2.0a(HDR10)/HDCP 2.2 on "3" HDMI inputs, able to pass through 4k/60Hz/4:4:4 color sub-sampling
- Bluetooth Remote app
- ECO Mode

S710W/S910W/X1200W/X2200W/X3200W/X4200W/X6200W

- HDMI 2.0a(HDR10)/HDCP 2.2 on "all" HDMI inputs, able to pass through 4k/60Hz/4:4:4 color sub-sampling (see post 7 for models with upscaling feature)
- Advanced Quad-core 32-bit DSP processor (except the X4200W and X6200W which will retain the 4x 24 bit DSPs used in the X4100W and X5200W which results in the higher processing power required for XT32 + Atmos).

- Atmos 5.2.2 capable (additionally, although not new and being continued from the X4100W/X5200W: X4200W able to expand to 5.2.4 or 7.2.2 with 2CH amp; X6200W is 5.2.4/7.2.2 out of box and able to expand to 7.2.4 or 9.2.2 with 2CH amp --> refer to post 5668 in this thread for more information on how to connect a 2CH amp)
- Dolby Surround upmixer (DSU) to simulate 5.1/7.1 audio from a 2.0/5.1 source (to include audio to the height speakers when not playing an Atmos BD) which has replaced Dolby Digital ProLogic, DD PLIIz, and DD PLIIx (continued from X4100W --> X4200W and X5200W --> X6200W).
- Note: The DSU can no longer be used on DTS HD audio (as is the case on the 2014 models) until a future firmware update is installed to allow cross format upmixing. Until the DTS:X update is installed, to simulate DTS HD audio to "height" speakers you must set the Blu Ray player to PCM (vice bitstream).
- Dolby Sp. Setup - set the distance from the Dolby enabled speaker (FD, SD, RD) to the ceiling

- DTS:X + DTS Neural:X (via firmware update Feb 2016 [X6200W/X4200W] and late summer 2016 [X3200W/X2200W/X1300W/S910W/S710W] - see post 8 for additional information).
- DTS:X Dialog Control - able to increase dialog volume when receiving a DTS:X signal (note: this setting is only avaliable when the movie's sound engineer has included it in the DTS:X audio track, as of 6/2/2016 this feature has not been enabled in the currently released DTS:X movies)
- DTS Neural:X - ON/OFF
- DTS firmware version (note: If this is listed under SETUP - GENERAL - INFORMATION - FIRMWARE, the DTS:X update has been installed)

- Remote app - New 2016 Denon AVR Remote apps (iOS and Android) will be released early 2016 (only for 2015 and newer models though):
Android --> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dmholdings.DenonAVRRemote&hl=en
iOS ---> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/denon-2016-avr-remote/id982072900?mt=8
- Flickr is no longer available (on any model)
- Smart Menu - Use the TV's remote control to configure the settings, select an input source and set Tuner and Internet Radio stations (not available on the X6200W)
- TV Audio Switching - sets whether the AVR automatically switches to the TV Audio source when using a TV smart app (defaults to ON)
- HDMI(ARC) - dedicated ON/OFF setting (not available on the X6200W)
- Headphone EQ - set whether to use the Graphic EQ
- Denon HEOS Link IP Control - with a HEOS Link connected (separate purchase), use the HEOS iOS/Android App to control the AVR (HEOS is Denon's new WiFi speaker system .. the HEOS Link can be used to stream a source connected to the AVR to wireless HEOS speakers located around your home in addition to being able to use the HEOS iOS/Android app to stream (Pandora, SiriusXM, Spotify Connect, iHeartRadio, Rhapsody, Tidal) directly to the HEOS Wifi speakers as well.)
- Wifi 802.11n supporting only 2.4Ghz (but not 5Ghz)
- WiFi (Enabled/Disabled) - disable Wifi when a wired connection is made to the modem
- Dolby Vision + HLG + ALLM - pass through capability to be added via a firmware update - August 2018
- ECO Mode

X4200W/X6200W
- 32 bit DAC - AK4458VN
- Auro 3D/2D paid upgrade ($199 USD) available (see post ##8 below) for download early 2016
- New amp assign settings which allow expanding from 7CH --> 9CH (X4200W) using the SB, FW, F, or HT1 speaker pre-outs

Expanding X4200W from 5.2.2 --> 5.2.4: See post 5671 in this thread.

Expanding X6200W from 7.2.2 or 5.2.4 --> 7.2.4: See post 5668 in this thread.

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- All "S" series models have a 2 year warranty if purchased new/open-box from an authorized dealer
- All "X" series models have a 3 year warranty (2 years in Canada) if purchased new/open-box from an authorized dealer (note that although Amazon is an authorized dealer Amazon Warehouse is not)
- All refurbished models have a 1 year warranty if purchased from an authorized refurb dealer


Denon model web page info and Owner manual links

- S510BT - MSRP $279, 5.2 CH, 70W, HDMI In/Out (5/1) - avail June

This is a 5CH AVR which features Bluetooth, but is not a networking model. Firmware updates would be installed via the USB jack. It includes a mic for a basic (ie. non-Audyssey) single position speaker/sub calibration. It can display the GUI over 2D/3D video on HDMI1 and HDMI2 and pass through 4k/60Hz video from HDMI3/HDMI4/HDMI5 but cannot display the GUI over 4k video (as is also true for all of the 2015 models). It does not feature: HDMI(ARC), HDMI Control, Audyssey, speaker posts (uses spring clips) or Component Video inputs/output. It comes with a 2 year Denon warranty if purchased from an authorized dealer.

http://usa.denon.com/us/product/hometheater/avreceiversht/avrs510bt

http://manuals.denon.com/AVRS510BT/NA/EN/index.php

http://www.cnet.com/products/denon-avr-s500bt/


- S710W - MSRP $479, 7.2 CH, 75W, HDMI In/Out (6.1) - avail July

Upgrading from the S510BT adds 1 more HDMI input and two more audio channels for a 7CH model and the lowest model to feature Audyssey MultEQ (6 mic positions), networking (Internet Radio, Airplay, Spotify Connect, Sirius XM), HDMI Control, HDMI(ARC), DSD via USB/network source, Atmos 5.2.2, DTS:X (via firmware update summer 2016) and uses speaker posts. Firmware updates are installed via a network connection or USB. It can display the GUI over 2D/3D video from all HDMI inputs, but not over 4k video. It features 5.1 + Zone 2 capability using the Surround Back speaker posts for Zone 2. There are no Zone 2 pre-outs. No noticeable difference in power, however, audio quality should be improved after running Audyssey.

http://usa.denon.com/us/product/hometheater/avreceiversht/avrs710W

http://manuals.denon.com/AVRS710W/NA/EN/index.php

Press release on the S710W and S910W ---> http://www.twice.com/news/receivers/denon-bringing-dolby-atmos-dtsx-479-av-receiver/57430


- S910W - MSRP $579, 7.2CH, 90W, HDMI In/Out (8/2, main/main outputs) - avail July

Upgrading from the S710W adds 2 more HDMI inputs, 1 more main zone monitor output (eg. when using a TV and PJ), 2 component video inputs / 1 output, analog --> HDMI conversion, 4k/30Hz upscaling, on board Web Control (able to use laptop/tablet for setup/control), and SAVE/LOAD of configuration file which can be restored if doing a factory reset. No noticeable difference in either power or audio quality.

http://usa.denon.com/us/product/hometheater/avreceiversht/avrs910W

http://manuals.denon.com/AVRS910W/NA/EN/index.php


- X1200W - MSRP $599, 7.2CH, 80W, HDMI In/Out (6/1) - avail July

This model is similar to the S710W in features but adds: improved audio quality using the higher Audyssey MultEQ XT (8 mic positions), Zone 2 pre-outs, Crestron/Control 4 interface, and also as the lowest "X" series model adds 1 more year of warranty (total 3 years).

http://usa.denon.com/us/product/hometheater/avreceiversht/avrX1200W

http://manuals.denon.com/AVRX1200W/NA/EN/index.php

Press release on the new X1200W and X2200W ---> http://avproductreviews.com/denon-x1200-x2200


- X2200W - MSRP $799, 7.2CH, 95W, HDMI In/Out (8/2, main/main outputs) - avail July

This model is similar to the S910W in features but adds: improved audio quality using the higher Audyssey MultEQ XT, Zone 2 pre-outs, Crestron/Control 4 interface, ISF (Day/Night) calibration settings (to be set by an ISF calibrator) and 1 more year of warranty (total 3 years).

http://usa.denon.com/us/product/hometheater/avreceiversht/avrX2200W

http://manuals.denon.com/AVRX2200W/NA/EN/index.php


- X3200W - MSRP $999, 7.2CH, 105W, HDMI In/Out (8/2, main/Zone 2 outputs) - avail early August

Upgrading from the X2200W adds: Zone 2 custom settings (bass, treble, HPF, stereo/mono), 12v trigger (1), DSD over HDMI, Zone 2 HDMI Monitor output, HDMI/digital PCM 2.0 audio to Zone 2 speaker posts/pre-outs, 4k/60Hz upscaling, and the lowest model with 7.2 main zone pre-outs. Unlike it's predecessor, Audyssey DSX is not featured. No noticeable difference in power or audio quality. Note however, that unlike the X2200W which has a 2nd main zone HDMI monitor output (ie. useful when TV and PJ are in the same room), the X3200W does NOT have this 2nd main zone HDMI output, rather only the Zone 2 HDMI output so if you are using the X3200W with a PJ and TV in the same room, you'll also need to purchase an HDMI splitter to connect to the main zone HDMI monitor output. Note also that the X3200W is fixed at operating at most 7CH (ie. 7.1 or 5.1.2; there is no expansion capability to add 2 more speakers for a 5.1.4 setup).

http://usa.denon.com/us/product/hometheater/avreceiversht/avrx3200w

http://manuals.denon.com/AVRX3200W/NA/EN/index.php

Press release on the X3200W and X4200W --> http://usa.denon.com/us/news/news/153


- X4200W - MSRP $1499 , 7.2CH (expandable to 9.2 with external 2CH amp, ie. 5.2.2 --> 5.2.4 / 7.2.2), 125W, HDMI In/Out (8/3, main/main/Zone 2 outputs) - avail early September

Upgrading from the X3200W adds: a second main zone HDMI monitor output, the highest version of Audyssey MultEQ XT32 for much improved audio quality, Audyssey Sub EQ HT (dual sub level/delay), Audyssey DSX (Front Wide/Height), Audyssey LFC (reduces sub vibration impact through walls), 13.2 main zone pre-outs (maximum of 9 operating at one time), Zone 3, an extra 12v trigger, front panel display of speaker inputs (or outputs), PHONO input, 32 bit DAC, metal front panel with 2 line display, Custom 2 CH settings (using FL/FR or dedicated Front B)(LARGE/SMALL; crossover settings, sub – on/off, distance, level), and Auro 3D (via firmware upgrade - $199).

http://usa.denon.com/us/product/hometheater/avreceiversht/avrx4200w

http://manuals.denon.com/AVRX4200W/NA/EN/index.php

Note: Refer to post 5671 in this thread for more information regarding purchase and setup of a 2CH amp to expand from 7CH (5.2.2) to 9CH (5.2.4).


- X6200W - MSRP $2199 , 9.2CH (expandable to 11.2 with external 2CH amp, ie. 5.2.4 / 7.2.2 --> 7.2.4), 140W, HDMI In/Out (8/3, main/main/Zone 2 outputs) - avail mid September (replaces X5200W)

Upgrading from the X4200W adds: 2 additional on board amps, more robust amps, HD Radio, mfr'd in Japan, gold plated connectors, Dialog Enhancer, and 2 internal cooling fans.

http://usa.denon.com/us/product/bluetooth/avreceiversbt/avrx6200w

http://manuals.denon.com/AVRX6200W/NA/EN/index.php

Note: Refer to post 5668 in this thead for more info regarding purchase and setup of a 2CH amp to expand from 9CH --> 11CH (ie. 7.2.4).


Welcome to the Official 2015 Denon AVR-S/X models thread (S510BT/S710W/S910W/X1200W/X2200W/X3200W/X4200W/X6200W).


If this is your first visit to this thread, and you want to ask a question about one of the 2015 Denon AVR models, either one that you own or one that you are thinking of buying, please provide the following information to allow for better responses to your questions:

(a) Identify the model number in question (eg. X2200W), as there are 8 different models (S and X series) discussed in this thread. Also if you have not posted in several days since your initial post, please post the model # again so we don't have to back track to learn which model you are referencing.

(b) Identify what you've done so far to troubleshoot the issue and what the front panel is displaying if an audio issue, (also take a few minutes to review the Troubleshooting section provided in post ##3 as your question may already be answered there),

(c) Unless you indicate what settings have been changed, the assumption will be that all settings are on the factory defaults (ie. usually "Auto"),

(d) If the advice given seems to simplistic or obvious, don't shoot the advice giver as we have no idea of the level of your technical understanding,

(e) If there is no response to your post, it either means no one knows the answer or it has simply been overlooked so please repost if you still haven't resolved your issue,

(f) If you post a question in this thread and are given advice and either it or some other advice (eg. Denon phone support, Denon "Ask a Question" email support) resolves your issue, have the common courtesy to post back what solution resolved your issue so others can learn from it as well,

(g) If the issue is not user error or not just a misunderstanding on how the AVR works, please call Denon support so the issue is registered,

(h) When responding to another post that is providing assistance to you, please press the "Quote" button in the lower right corner of that other poster's response so that response is also listed with your new post to provide some context, and,

(i) If you don't live in either the USA or Canada, please either indicate your country location in your profile or your post as some Denon models from other regions in the world differ in configuration from their USA/Canada counterparts otherwise responses made will be regarding the USA/Canada models.
 
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#501 ·
Totally!

One feature I now wish was available is source blending. Case in point my wife turns on Spotify and then switches the video input to Blu-ray to work out with her music.

I would like to be able to be able to set the source to a XBone game and turn the music volume to 0 in game. Then fade in another source like Spotify. If that makes sense. Essentially using my own music as the background music vs that in game. Do any of the Denon's offer a feature like that? I am thinking NO but wanted to ask.
Indeed they do, to include your new X2200W. :)


Once you have the network source (eg. Spotify) playing in the main zone, press the Option button on the remote and set "Video Select" to ON and then select the HDMI video source (eg. Blu Ray) that you want to use. And voila!
 
#502 · (Edited)
Indeed they do, to include your new X2200W. :)


Once you have the network source (eg. Spotify) playing in the main zone, press the Option button on the remote and set "Video Select" to ON and then select the HDMI video source (eg. Blu Ray) that you want to use. And voila!
I did find that and my wife uses and loves this feature. Myself however want to hear audio blended from the Spotify source and the Game source at the same time.

I would turn on the Game source with all the game audio and video. I would then select sound overlay and select the Spotify source. This way I could turn the in-game music off (But leave on all the action sounds like gun fire, dialog etc.) but have Spotify overlayed.

In essence I want the audio of two sources playing at the same time with the ability to control the level of each. :rolleyes: dreaming.

Overall though I find the X2200W very easy to navigate. A couple small things like when using Pure Direct it shows the mode on screen but also cycles to the next Pure Direct mode. For example pressing the Pure direct repeatedly cycles through the modes Direct / Auto etc. I am then watching a movie so I press the Movie button to set things to Dolby + Surround. The next time I press Pure direct I feel like it should start where I left off. Instead it switches to the NEXT Pure direct mode on the first press.
 
#504 ·
^^
The best you could do would be to set Amp Assign = Zone 2 and have Spotify coming from the Front Height speakers while the Xbone audio is coming from the floor speakers.
Nice solution! I will try it out. I am spoiled by the environment effects now though.

I will have to order another X2200W for background music.:(
 
#506 ·
Hi all!
Currently using an Onkyo 636 for our 5.2.2 dedicated basement cinema. We typically watch movies at a maximum spl between 75 and 85 dB, with the Onkyo this is somewhere between 32 and 40. On our old Denon 1610 it's -15 to -20 dB.

We have just upgraded to an AT screen and looking to upgrade to 5.1.4 or possibly 7.1.4 (but most likely we will stick to 5.1.4 since our MLP is up against the back wall and we using di-pole side surrounds).

Which models of the 2015 D&M models will work for us?
 
#507 ·
Hi all!
Currently using an Onkyo 636 for our 5.2.2 dedicated basement cinema. We typically watch movies at a maximum spl between 75 and 85 dB, with the Onkyo this is somewhere between 32 and 40. On our old Denon 1610 it's -15 to -20 dB.

We have just upgraded to an AT screen and looking to upgrade to 5.1.4 or possibly 7.1.4 (but most likely we will stick to 5.1.4 since our MLP is up against the back wall and we using di-pole side surrounds).

Which models of the 2015 D&M models will work for us?

The only 2015 D+M models that can do more than 5.1.2 are the:

X4200W and SR6010 - 7CH models that can do 5.1.2 out of the box but can also be expanded to 9CH (5.1.4) using a 2CH external amp

X6200W and SR7010 - 9CH model that can do 5.1.4 out of the box but can also be expanded to 11CH (7.1.4) using a 2CH external amp


AV7702MKII (pre/pro) - 11CH model
 
#508 ·
Indeed they do, to include your new X2200W.



Once you have the network source (eg. Spotify) playing in the main zone, press the Option button on the remote and set "Video Select" to ON and then select the HDMI video source (eg. Blu Ray) that you want to use. And voila!
I did find that and my wife uses and loves this feature. Myself however want to hear audio blended from the Spotify source and the Game source at the same time.

I would turn on the Game source with all the game audio and video. I would then select sound overlay and select the Spotify source. This way I could turn the in-game music off (But leave on all the action sounds like gun fire, dialog etc.) but have Spotify overlayed.

In essence I want the audio of two sources playing at the same time with the ability to control the level of each.
dreaming.

Overall though I find the X2200W very easy to navigate. A couple small things like when using Pure Direct it shows the mode on screen but also cycles to the next Pure Direct mode. For example pressing the Pure direct repeatedly cycles through the modes Direct / Auto etc. I am then watching a movie so I press the Movie button to set things to Dolby + Surround. The next time I press Pure direct I feel like it should start where I left off. Instead it switches to the NEXT Pure direct mode on the first press.
I'm not sure if the xbox one has spotify, but I know with my brother's 360 I used to save music on the hard drive and play it while playing games, and it worked exactly like what you're looking for, with external music replacing in game music, but all sound effects and voices still playing
 
#510 ·
The only 2015 D+M models that can do more than 5.1.2 are the:

X4200W and SR6010 - 7CH models that can do 5.1.2 out of the box but can also be expanded to 9CH (5.1.4) using a 2CH external amp

X6200W and SR7010 - 9CH model that can do 5.1.4 out of the box but can also be expanded to 11CH (7.1.4) using a 2CH external amp


AV7702MKII (pre/pro) - 11CH model

Thanks JD! It looks like I will have to wait for the release of the Marantz 2015 line up in September. Where I live in Sweden only one retail chain sells Denon so prices tend to be quit a bit higher than the equivalent Marantz versions.
 
#511 ·
Pff, still having a hard time choosing between the Denon AVR-X2200W and Onkyo TX-NR646.

There is only one review online for the Denon; http://avproductreviews.com/denon-avr-x2200w-review, so a real comparison is hard.

I've read the review and the Denon scored an solid 8, wich is still pretty good; and the Onkyo a 9.5 wich is way better?
The reason for the Denon to score lower was it's lack of bass / dynamics. The reason the Onkyo didnt get a 10 was for its GUI wich is outdated.

So is the Denon good with some lesser bass, but if i realy wanna rock the house, the Onkyo is the only way?
Or can the Denon also go way low with solid dynamics, even without a subwoofer??
 
#514 ·
Denon x2200 and x5200

Between these 2 any advantage in going for the 5200 for a 5 speaker home theater setup? Is the sound quality "better" on the 5200? I don't need extra zones for other rooms> Just mainly focused on the home theater with 2 subs. I do like that the 5200 is made in Japan. It will be replacing a Denon 5803 that just's makes a rapid clicking sound when I turn it on. Thanks
 
#515 ·
Between these 2 any advantage in going for the 5200 for a 5 speaker home theater setup? Is the sound quality "better" on the 5200? I don't need extra zones for other rooms> Just mainly focused on the home theater with 2 subs. I do like that the 5200 is made in Japan. It will be replacing a Denon 5803 that just's makes a rapid clicking sound when I turn it on. Thanks
The X5200W is a 2014 model but uses the more advanced Audyssey MultEQ XT32 as well as features Audyssey Sub EQ HT (dual sub level/delay) whereas the dual sub pre-outs on the X2200W are simply an internal "Y" splitter and both subs would have level and delay set together.
 
#516 ·
Between these 2 any advantage in going for the 5200 for a 5 speaker home theater setup? Is the sound quality "better" on the 5200? I don't need extra zones for other rooms> Just mainly focused on the home theater with 2 subs. I do like that the 5200 is made in Japan. It will be replacing a Denon 5803 that just's makes a rapid clicking sound when I turn it on. Thanks
The sound quality is better on the higher level models -- superior XT32 calibration, more powerful amps, more discrete circuitry, higher grade components / DACs. But, if you are truly not going to go beyond a 5.1 or 7.1 setup, then you might get better value from an older higher end model. For example, the AVR-4520CI is available widely for under $1k on the used/refurb market and it provides all of those benefits in Audyssey, build quality etc. but you aren't paying extra for the newest thing (Atmos).
 
#517 ·
The sound quality is better on the higher level models -- superior XT32 calibration, more powerful amps, more discrete circuitry, higher grade components / DACs. But, if you are truly not going to go beyond a 5.1 or 7.1 setup, then you might get better value from an older higher end model. For example, the AVR-4520CI is available widely for under $1k on the used/refurb market and it provides all of those benefits in Audyssey, build quality etc. but you aren't paying extra for the newest thing (Atmos).
Saw a new 5200 on Ebay for $1100. Sounds crazy cheap. What do you think? BTW my 3 front speakers are B&W Nautilus 801s


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Denon-AVR-X...d24e9a0&pid=100005&rk=1&rkt=6&sd=271941168440
 
#518 ·
Out of curiosity, I'm wondering whether we can confirm that the Denon 2015 X-series AVR's being currently fielded do not come with any sort of DTS upmixing capability.

IOW, pending DTS:X firmware update, no Neo:6 or Neo:X, let alone Neural:X?

Perhaps @MarkMul1, @HotAhr, @bull3964, @daviper1996, @kisypher, @naTERcON, or some other current owners could verify?



Can any of you current X1200/X2200/X3200 owners provide some feedback on this question? IOW, during playback of a PCM source, when you press MOVIE, MUSIC or GAME to display a list of the sound modes is there any DTS upmixing option available and selectable, whether Neo:6, Neo:X or (presumably not a menu option until the DTS:X update is installed) Neural:X?

My assumption is that none of these DTS upmixers is available pending the update, but it would be helpful if someone in the field could confirm it. Thanks, y'all.
:)
 
#519 ·
Saw a new 5200 on Ebay for $1100. Sounds crazy cheap. What do you think? BTW my 3 front speakers are B&W Nautilus 801s


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Denon-AVR-X...d24e9a0&pid=100005&rk=1&rkt=6&sd=271941168440
It's a near certainty that you will not get a warranty for this unit, so if you are willing to take that risk to save a few hundred $$ then go for it. Before you do, you should give some authorized dealers a call (including our own JDSmoothie at AVScience) and see what pricing is for a brand-new unit with 3-yr warranty. You might also want to sit tight for a couple of months as the replacement X6200W should be out in September or so, at which point there will probably be blowout deals on the X5200W.

FYI - Accessories4less (an authorized dealer) has refurb X5200W for $1,200 with 1-yr warranty, and brand new 4520CI for $999 with 3-yr factory warranty.
 
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