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wondering if someone can help me. I have the 7702 MKII. I ran audyssey and am using both sub outs. On sub 2 out I just want audyssey to set the distance for timing. Is it possible to turn off any processing for that sub 2 out but leave it on for the sub 1 out? Reason being sub 1 goes to my 3 Danley DTS-10 which are at the front of the room and I want processing for those. Sub 2 goes to my new 4 DIY HST-18 nearfield subs which are placed 6 inches behind each seat. They are sealed and I do not want any filters on them just time and distance. Please if it is possible can someone post the steps to achieve it?

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Bass frequencies (below the crossover point) is meant to be a summed mono signal or channel. See the bass management diagram below.


There are restrictions in place on how Audyssey works. One can have the front left/right speakers bypassed, Audyssey ON or Audyssey OFF. I don't think it's possible to individually set the Audyssey filters on a per channel basis.

Sorry, but don't think it's possible to do what you want.

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Ok, using my SR-6010 now with two separate amps and I'm still having same problems. With both the Adcom and AudioControl Pantage amp I get buzzing thru my speakers. It's actually louder with the AudioControl. I've tried different RCA's, etc but nothing makes it go away. I've read some on this thread about this but is there any fix or is this a shortcoming?
See the exchange of posts between AVS members, petetherock, Roudan and myself on suspected hum issues with the pre/pro and receivers starting from post number 1,222.

How sensitive are your speakers and the level/distances reported back during the Audyssey auto-calibration run?

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Are most Atmos enabled movies 5.1.4 or 7.1.4? That information would help.
Consumer Dolby Atmos encoded movies, until stated otherwise, are (get this) 24.1.10, which is about half of the commercial version . That is, the steerable audio objects can move around or be "snapped" in place to 24 positions on the lower speaker level and 10 positions in the speakers above you. The LFE channel is just your typical sub effects channel as before. There are 7 base channels in the normal speaker positions that typically contain music and ambiances, but objects can pass through them and are counted in the overall total.

The key is scalability. The immersive soundtrack can grow and become more precise and enveloping as you upgrade your processor and increase your speaker count. I've heard a few Trinnov Altitude demos with quite a few more speakers than the average home theater and the experience is phenomenal, especially when you hear a mix that was engineered properly!

Listen up, studios! Dolby Atmos Lite™ print-outs must stop!!

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Thanks, that was very informative. So if one were to limit their HT to 7.1.4 channels, should the 4 channels be "Top" or "Height" in terms of placement, or does it matter for Atmos? In other words,what is the ideal placement for the 4 extra speakers that will benefit all the new formats including Atmos?

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Consumer Dolby Atmos encoded movies, until stated otherwise, are (get this) 24.1.10, which is about half of the commercial version . That is, the steerable audio objects can move around or be "snapped" in place to 24 positions on the lower speaker level and 10 positions in the speakers above you. The LFE channel is just your typical sub effects channel as before. There are 7 base channels in the normal speaker positions that typically contain music and ambiances, but objects can pass through them and are counted in the overall total.

The key is scalability. The immersive soundtrack can grow and become more precise and enveloping as you upgrade your processor and speaker count. I've heard a few Trinnov Altitude demos with quite a few more speakers than the average home theater and the experience is phenomenal, especially when you hear a mix that was engineered properly!
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Ok. Does the hum go away if you disconnect all the HDMI inputs?
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Thanks, that was very informative. So if one were to limit their HT to 7.1.4 channels, should the 4 channels be "Top" or "Height" in terms of placement, or does it matter for Atmos? In other words,what is the ideal placement for the 4 extra speakers that will benefit all the new formats including Atmos?
Here's the rub, with Denon and Marantz processors that can handle DTS: X as well, you want to have your overheads set to the Front/Rear Height designations or the overhead rendering gets messed up. Then place your speakers in the ideal Dolby Atmos Top Front and Top Rear positions on the ceiling, if possible, for the best effect. It seems as if Dolby Atmos doesn't have a rendering issue setting things up this way. DTS: X recommended angles for Heights can overlap Dolby Atmos Tops.

Onkyo, Pioneer, Yamaha owners can speak from more experience.

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Hi,

I have tested SR7010 with 4 overhead ceiling spkrs (top front and top rear) with woofer and tweeter angled at MLP and try to stay close at 45 degrees angle, I use DTSX 11.1 speaker callout test.
From MLP, SR7010 creates phantom image really very in which I can pinpoint each test tone distinctively from each overheard speaker.
If get very close to the front speakers at bed level you can hear some sound leakage but once you tested again at MLP the combined phantom effect makes it very clear the test tone come from the top.
You wont notice it during actual movie.
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IMO the rule of thumb is an AVR has the SQ of a stereo amp that is about 2-3 times lower in price..
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Yup. Pretty much would agree with that.
For the NR series receivers, which are marketed as "50 watts per channel", Marantz states in their specs the power output as being 50 wpc at 8 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08% with two channels driven. Does this mean that the actual output is only 20 wpc when all five channels are driven (in the case of a 5.1 model)? Or do the FL, FR and Center channels receive more power than the surround channels?

For the PM6005 stereo integrated amp, stated output is 45 wpc at 8 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08% with two channels driven (pretty straightforward).

Does anyone know if Marantz power specs are RMS continuous? I don't see this mentioned on their site.

Since both of these models are near the low end of Marantz's offerings and since the NR's get good reviews for SQ, I'm thinking that the differences in SQ between them would be apparent mainly at high volumes. In any case, I've ordered both and will likely keep the NR(1506), unless the PM6005 is significanly better at normal listening levels in my smallish LR. Thanks.
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For the NR series receivers, which are marketed as "50 watts per channel", Marantz states in their specs the power output as being 50 wpc at 8 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08% with two channels driven. Does this mean that the actual output is only 20 wpc when all five channels are driven (in the case of a 5.1 model)? Or do the FL, FR and Center channels receive more power than the surround channels?

For the PM6005 stereo integrated amp, stated output is 45 wpc at 8 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08% with two channels driven (pretty straightforward).

Does anyone know if Marantz power specs are RMS continuous? I don't see this mentioned on their site.

Since both of these models are near the low end of Marantz's offerings and since the NR's get good reviews for SQ, I'm thinking that the differences in SQ between them would be apparent mainly at high volumes. In any case, I've ordered both and will likely keep the NR(1506), unless the PM6005 is significanly better at normal listening levels in my smallish LR. Thanks.

AVRs in general are only rated at 2CH (regardless of their marketing) with 5CH driven on average dropping to about 80% of that number. As there is only one power supply, the more speakers you add starting with 2, the lower watts/CH that becomes available for each speaker.
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Hi,

Just received my SR7010 and trying to get Atmos to work.
My media player is Shield TV running kodi (a version with pass through enabled) and i just have 5.1 speaker connected now (maybe related? ).

When playing Atmos video i'm only getting Dolby True HD (tried multiple formats - mkv, m2ts etc..)
Dts:X is working properly if that help.

Any ideas?

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Hi,

Just received my SR7010 and trying to get Atmos to work.
My media player is Shield TV running kodi (a version with pass through enabled) and i just have 5.1 speaker connected now (maybe related? ).

When playing Atmos video i'm only getting Dolby True HD (tried multiple formats - mkv, m2ts etc..)
Dts:X is working properly if that help.

Any ideas?

Thanks
The Atmos metadata will only play when you have configured "height" or Dolby enabled upward firing speakers (ie. expanding from 5.1 --> 5.1.2 or 5.1.4).

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Atmos will only display when you have configured "height" or Dolby enabled upward firing speakers (ie. expanding from 5.1 --> 5.1.2 or 5.1.4).
I only use 5 speakers and I get the "Atmos" display. The speakers are: front l/r, surround l/r, and back.

Not that it does any good, it sounds the same without Atmos. :-)
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I only use 5 speakers and I get the "Atmos" display. The speakers are: front l/r, surround l/r, and back.

Not that it does any good, it sounds the same without Atmos. :-)
I edited my post to be more specific. Although the "Atmos" logo will display if you have Surround Back speaker(s) configured, if you only have 5/6/7 speakers in a 5.1/6.1/7.1 setup, then the AVR is only playing the Dolby TrueHD audio track (ie. no Atmos audio is playing).
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The Atmos metadata will only play when you have configured "height" or Dolby enabled upward firing speakers (ie. expanding from 5.1 --> 5.1.2 or 5.1.4).
Thanks, will try with another extra 2 speakers.

Another weird issue i had is that the Marantz "saw" my front speakers as inverted phase, checked the cables and the phase are correct.
My speakers are Focal 926 any one encountered this issue or similar issue ?

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Thanks, will try with another extra 2 speakers.

Another weird issue i had is that the Marantz "saw" my front speakers as inverted phase, checked the cables and the phase are correct.
My speakers are Focal 926 any one encountered this issue or similar issue ?

Thanks
As noted in your Owner's manual ... if the speakers are visually confirmed to be wired correctly (ie. +/+ and -/-) you can simply ignore the phase warning and SKIP to the next speaker.
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As noted in your Owner's manual ... if the speakers are visually confirmed to be wired correctly (ie. +/+ and -/-) you can simply ignore the phase warning and SKIP to the next speaker.
That's what i did, just felt weird that both of them are recognized as reverse phase ...
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Here's the rub, with Denon and Marantz processors that can handle DTS: X as well, you want to have your overheads set to the Front/Rear Height designations or the overhead rendering gets messed up. Then place your speakers in the ideal Dolby Atmos Top Front and Top Rear positions on the ceiling, if possible, for the best effect. It seems as if Dolby Atmos doesn't have a rendering issue setting things up this way. DTS: X recommended angles for Heights can overlap Dolby Atmos Tops.

Onkyo, Pioneer, Yamaha owners can speak from more experience.
I just wanted to confirm I'm understanding this right. I'll be getting the SR7010, and will have 4 Dolby Surround/Rear, and 4 Atmos TF/TR, mounted fairly close to recommended positions and angles.

You're saying that I should configure the SR7010 as Front and Rear Height, rather than Top Front and Top Rear?

Seems counter-intuitive, but again, I think you're saying that for Dolby Atmos signals, it will be handled just fine, while the DTS:X signals will be handled better this way?

And while I've got your attention, do you think the power output of the SR7010 will be sufficient to drive the 4 Dolby (86dB sensitivity) and 4 Atmos (90db Sensitivity) adequately? (L/C/R will be pre-out to other amps). Fairly large room, details in this thread.

I originally planned to get the 7702MkII, and get separate amp(s) for the 8 Dolby/Atmos speakers, but then thought I could save some money, get the 7010, and use the savings for better subs.

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For the NR series receivers, which are marketed as "50 watts per channel", Marantz states in their specs the power output as being 50 wpc at 8 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08% with two channels driven. Does this mean that the actual output is only 20 wpc when all five channels are driven (in the case of a 5.1 model)? Or do the FL, FR and Center channels receive more power than the surround channels?

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Does anyone know if Marantz power specs are RMS continuous? I don't see this mentioned on their site.

Since both of these models are near the low end of Marantz's offerings and since the NR's get good reviews for SQ, I'm thinking that the differences in SQ between them would be apparent mainly at high volumes. In any case, I've ordered both and will likely keep the NR(1506), unless the PM6005 is significanly better at normal listening levels in my smallish LR. Thanks.
If you like the 1506, go for it mate.. there are also circles which basically tell you that amps all sound the same anyway, cheers.
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Here's the rub, with Denon and Marantz processors that can handle DTS: X as well, you want to have your overheads set to the Front/Rear Height designations or the overhead rendering gets messed up. Then place your speakers in the ideal Dolby Atmos Top Front and Top Rear positions on the ceiling, if possible, for the best effect. It seems as if Dolby Atmos doesn't have a rendering issue setting things up this way. DTS: X recommended angles for Heights can overlap Dolby Atmos Tops.

Onkyo, Pioneer, Yamaha owners can speak from more experience.
Hey Dan
So just to clarify:
If we want a unifying setup for both Atmos and DTS-X, we should use "Heights" instead of "Top" ?
And keep the same speaker sites?

I have been using Top Front + Rear ever since the DTS-X upgrade, for both formats..

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Hey Dan
So just to clarify:
If we want a unifying setup for both Atmos and DTS-X, we should use "Heights" instead of "Top" ?
And keep the same speaker sites?

I have been using Top Front + Rear ever since the DTS-X upgrade, for both formats..

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Me too and it's been working flawlessly.

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Been using the marantz avr app with my 7010, and I mostly really like it, but I can't seem where to find the favourites, I can store them with the little heart+ icon, but how do I call them back up? Thanks for th pointer!
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Having 6 speakers installed today to complete my Atmos/DTS:X (7.2.4) setup. I have the Marantz sr7010 and for speaker assignments I want top front/back L/R correct? I know this will work for Atmos but want to make sure this will also work for DTS:X?
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Hello, I just bought a Marantz 7702mk2 and I am wondering if someone can help me with DLNA (a weblink is ok too) What I want to do is stream music from my Surface to the Marantz. I am able to do it on media center, but the interface is not that nice. So any software suggestions would be appreciated. Also I can't stream videos from my surface. Thanks

Is there going to be a noticable difference between 5.1.2 vs 5.1.4 I will only have 1 row of seats

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Having 6 speakers installed today to complete my Atmos/DTS:X (7.2.4) setup. I have the Marantz sr7010 and for speaker assignments I want top front/back L/R correct? I know this will work for Atmos but want to make sure this will also work for DTS:X?

Let me know how it all works out, I am getting close to get speakers installed. I am thinking just 2 top speakers. I will go in a small room with only 1 row of seating.
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Let me know how it all works out, I am getting close to get speakers installed. I am thinking just 2 top speakers. I will go in a small room with only 1 row of seating.
I sure will. As far as speakers up top 4 is the way to go if you can swing it. From everything I've read it creates much more immersion. If you're going in might as well go all in.
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Hello, I just bought a Marantz 7702mk2 and I am wondering if someone can help me with DLNA (a weblink is ok too) What I want to do is stream music from my Surface to the Marantz. I am able to do it on media center, but the interface is not that nice. So any software suggestions would be appreciated. Also I can't stream videos from my surface. Thanks

Is there going to be a noticable difference between 5.1.2 vs 5.1.4 I will only have 1 row of seats
1. If the Microsoft Surface tablet is connected to your home's router then you should be able to use any number of streaming apps (Airplay, Spotify Connect, etc.) to stream audio to the AVR. Refer to the Owner's manual beginning p. 90.
2. Streaming to an AVR is audio only. For video streaming you would need to use a third party device connected via HDMI (eg. Apple TV).
3. Yes, there should be a very noticeable difference going 5.1.2 --> 5.1.4 as a number of 5.1.2 Owner's lamented seeing the posts of those who have gone from 5.1.2 --> 5.1.4. A 5.1.2 configuration gives you "height" info but a 5.1.4 configuration gives you forward/backward "height" info. So obviously an important decision if you can add (4) speakers and your budget can afford going up to the SR6010 which is the lowest priced model in this thread that can do 5.1.4 and then only by adding an external 2CH amp. In your case using the AV7702MKII pre/pro, which can operate up to 11 speakers using 11CH external amplification, you would just need to add another 2CH amp to go from 7CH --> 9CH.

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Been using the marantz avr app with my 7010, and I mostly really like it, but I can't seem where to find the favourites, I can store them with the little heart+ icon, but how do I call them back up? Thanks for th pointer!
If you select the current source on the app, doing so should bring up a list of all the available sources to include "Favorites."
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That's what i did, just felt weird that both of them are recognized as reverse phase ...
Some speakers are actually intentionally wired out of phase.
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I sure will. As far as speakers up top 4 is the way to go if you can swing it. From everything I've read it creates much more immersion. If you're going in might as well go all in.
Cool I am all in, at least I will get 4 speakers installed on the ceiling, I have a 7 channel amp, so I can really do 5.1.2 right now but at least buying another 2 channel amp is easier than having someone install another set of speakers. So how are your top speakers located? I was reading, about the same width as the main fronts and 35 - 55 degrees in front of the listener and 35 - 55 degrees behind.

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1. If the Microsoft Surface tablet is connected to your home's router then you should be able to use any number of streaming apps (Airplay, Spotify Connect, etc.) to stream audio to the AVR. Refer to the Owner's manual beginning p. 90.
2. Streaming to an AVR is audio only. For video streaming you would need to use a third party device connected via HDMI (eg. Apple TV).
3. Yes, there should be a very noticeable difference going 5.1.2 --> 5.1.4 as a number of 5.1.2 Owner's lamented seeing the posts of those who have gone from 5.1.2 --> 5.1.4. A 5.1.2 configuration gives you "height" info but a 5.1.4 configuration gives you forward/backward "height" info. So obviously an important decision if you can add (4) speakers and your budget can afford going up to the SR6010 which is the lowest priced model in this thread that can do 5.1.4 and then only by adding an external 2CH amp.
Cool,
1. I want to play my own content I have a collection of ripped music (Flac) so I think I will just dock my surface and control it via bluetooth keyboard.
3. Thanks this is what I will do, I am getting close to getting someone to come and install speakers and run wires through the walls. I will only be doing 5.1.4 for now since I only have a 7 channel amp, but I will be powering the other 2 top speakers as soon as I get another 2 channel amp.
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Yes, there should be a very noticeable difference going 5.1.2 --> 5.1.4 as a number of 5.1.2 Owner's lamented seeing the posts of those who have gone from 5.1.2 --> 5.1.4. A 5.1.2 configuration gives you "height" info but a 5.1.4 configuration gives you forward/backward "height" info. So obviously an important decision if you can add (4) speakers and your budget can afford going up to the SR6010 which is the lowest priced model in this thread that can do 5.1.4 and then only by adding an external 2CH amp.
This is an interesting statement.

Right now I am running the SR6010 in the 7.2.2 config with an external amp for the L,C,R.

The rear surrounds are actually "corner" speakers (literally at the place where the rear and side walls, and ceiling, come together). I designated those rear surround but perhaps should consider them top rear... giving me a 5.2.4 setup, in stead. (My top middle speakers are about 18 inches forward of my seating area, so I would probably still call those top middle.)
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