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post #4981 of 12183 Old 06-03-2016, 02:46 AM - Thread Starter
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dear all,
an advise for the following scenario if you please ....

I own an SR7010 and i have a 5.1.2 system with Dali Zensor 3 (FL/FR), zensor Vocal, Zenor 1 & pico (surrounds) - (these are 6 ohm speakers)
I am pleased with the system, and the 7010 drives it well.....but i want a better sound for music so i'm considering to upgrade my Fronts with Dali Opticon 6 and center with opticon Vokal. (Opticon series are 4 Ohm)

Do you think the 7010 can drive the 4ohm speakers in parallel with the 6ohm surrounds or will i need an external amp.
If you think the 7010 will be fine i'll give it a try....
If you think i'll need extra amplification the options (affordable and easy to find options) aren't many .....
I can get in my hands a Marantz mm7055 but officially marantz says its not designed for 4ohm speakers, so one option will be to drive the 4 surrounds from MM7055 and 7010 take care of the L-R-C 4ohm speakers .... do you think that 7010 can handle the 3 4ohm speakers ?

for the record, my listening space is about 20m2 with big openings left & right, and i dont listen music at very high volumes.
The SR-7010 is not rated to drive 4 ohm loads that the Dali Opticon 6 is. The important thing to consider is how loud you would listen to, the physical distance between the speaker to the Main Listening Position (MLP) and speaker sensitivity. Try the following web app to determine how much power you need: http://myhometheater.homestead.com/splcalculator.html

If you really need the extra power, you might want to consider the Monoprice Monolith 7 as a cost effective external amp solution for your 5.1.2 speaker setup.

If you don't need all those channels, Emotiva makes a smaller 5-channel version called the BasX A-500 that is rated for 4 ohm load. Lower power, but also at a lower price.

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The SR-7010 is not rated to drive 4 ohm loads that the Dali Opticon 6 is. The important thing to consider is how loud you would listen to, the physical distance between the speaker to the Main Listening Position (MLP) and speaker sensitivity. Try the following web app to determine how much power you need: http://myhometheater.homestead.com/splcalculator.html

If you really need the extra power, you might want to consider the Monoprice Monolith 7 as a cost effective external amp solution for your 5.1.2 speaker setup.

If you don't need all those channels, Emotiva makes a smaller 5-channel version called the BasX A-500 that is rated for 4 ohm load. Lower power, but also at a lower price.
Hi Steve,
I'm a bit confused by you saying the 7010 is not rated to drive 4 ohm loads because it is in the spec and advertising blurb that it does.
Here is something I lifted from the promo stuff put out by Marantz :


Powerful 9 Channel Discrete Amplifier with Eco Mode
The SR7010 features a sophisticated power amplifier section with all 9 channels configured identically, employing discrete high current capable power transistors. Each channel is rated at 200 watts (6 ohms, 1% THD, 1ch driven), and all channels are able to safely drive lower impedance speakers (down to 4 ohms). Our new advanced Eco amplifier mode adjusts power consumption according to signal level, and there's an on-screen Eco Mode display that lets you see the power consumption reduction in real time.

Are you sure about what you said or have you confused it with a different amp?
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Hi Steve,
I'm a bit confused by you saying the 7010 is not rated to drive 4 ohm loads because it is in the spec and advertising blurb that it does.
Here is something I lifted from the promo stuff put out by Marantz :


Powerful 9 Channel Discrete Amplifier with Eco Mode
The SR7010 features a sophisticated power amplifier section with all 9 channels configured identically, employing discrete high current capable power transistors. Each channel is rated at 200 watts (6 ohms, 1% THD, 1ch driven), and all channels are able to safely drive lower impedance speakers (down to 4 ohms). Our new advanced Eco amplifier mode adjusts power consumption according to signal level, and there's an on-screen Eco Mode display that lets you see the power consumption reduction in real time.

Are you sure about what you said or have you confused it with a different amp?
He's sure ... and so am I.

The SR7010 simply has a 4-ohm current limiting switch, nothing more, however, it's best to leave that at the factory default of 8-ohm, even when driving 4-ohm speakers. As Steve notes, whether you will need additional amplification will depend on what volume level you set the SR7010, as the SR7010 shouldn't have any problem with the 4-ohm speakers at moderate TV listening volume levels;however, suggest you wait on purchasing the additional amp until you determine if it's needed or not.
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Hi,
I wonder if JD (or anyone ) could help me out with a frustrating problem.
When Video Conversion is set to on (which I would prefer it not to be) I get multicoloured text on documents and in some apps. Some letters are orange/red , others blue and the rest black.
When Video Conversion is set to off then the text is all as it should be but I lose the on screen display, on the TV, for volume and sound modes.
I would like to have no video conversion but retain the OSD for sound modes and volume or , failing that , have the video conversion on but have the correct text displayed.
Is there anything I can do to achieve this?
You're likely trying to connect an HTPC to the AVR, otherwise, if this occurs with all sources, then possibly repair/replace is warranted. If an HTPC, try connecting to each of the other HDMI inputs on the AVR to see if one works better than another. Also try a different input into the TV. You may also want to try using different HDMI cables as well.
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Connecting my projector to NR1606, the screen goes to full white (likely signal loss) and it displays correctly for short duration and it goes back to full white again. This doesn't happen often but once in a while, not sure where the issue is. The projector HDMI s connected to AVR directly.

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You're likely trying to connect an HTPC to the AVR, otherwise, if this occurs with all sources, then possibly repair/replace is warranted. If an HTPC, try connecting to each of the other HDMI inputs on the AVR to see if one works better than another. Also try a different input into the TV. You may also want to try using different HDMI cables as well.
Hi,
Thanks for the reply.
I am using an ordinary laptop connected by HDMI and as you suggested I have tried various combinations of cables and ports.
Eventually I found that (when video conversion is set to off) by pressing Info first then followed by a sound mode button I got the on screen sound mode menu and so all is now sorted.
Thanks for the input.
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Connecting my projector to NR1606, the screen goes to full white (likely signal loss) and it displays correctly for short duration and it goes back to full white again. This doesn't happen often but once in a while, not sure where the issue is. The projector HDMI s connected to AVR directly.

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What is the length of the HDMI cable from the AVR --> PJ? Perhaps a powered cable or HDMI extender is required.
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Hi JD - It is 25 feet. I never had this issue with SR6009 which I was using in similar setup for more than a year. Only now with the new NR1606, i am facing this. Thankfully, it doesn't stay long and once the movie starts, it doesn't happen in the middle. It only happens at the start when i switch on the equipment's and stays for few minutes and it goes away after I randomly switch on/off my AVR or bluray player.

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The SR-7010 is not rated to drive 4 ohm loads that the Dali Opticon 6 is. The important thing to consider is how loud you would listen to, the physical distance between the speaker to the Main Listening Position (MLP) and speaker sensitivity. Try the following web app to determine how much power you need: http://myhometheater.homestead.com/splcalculator.html

If you really need the extra power, you might want to consider the Monoprice Monolith 7 as a cost effective external amp solution for your 5.1.2 speaker setup.

If you don't need all those channels, Emotiva makes a smaller 5-channel version called the BasX A-500 that is rated for 4 ohm load. Lower power, but also at a lower price.
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Hi Steve,
I'm a bit confused by you saying the 7010 is not rated to drive 4 ohm loads because it is in the spec and advertising blurb that it does.
Here is something I lifted from the promo stuff put out by Marantz :


Powerful 9 Channel Discrete Amplifier with Eco Mode
The SR7010 features a sophisticated power amplifier section with all 9 channels configured identically, employing discrete high current capable power transistors. Each channel is rated at 200 watts (6 ohms, 1% THD, 1ch driven), and all channels are able to safely drive lower impedance speakers (down to 4 ohms). Our new advanced Eco amplifier mode adjusts power consumption according to signal level, and there's an on-screen Eco Mode display that lets you see the power consumption reduction in real time.

Are you sure about what you said or have you confused it with a different amp?
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He's sure ... and so am I.

The SR7010 simply has a 4-ohm current limiting switch, nothing more, however, it's best to leave that at the factory default of 8-ohm, even when driving 4-ohm speakers. As Steve notes, whether you will need additional amplification will depend on what volume level you set the SR7010, as the SR7010 shouldn't have any problem with the 4-ohm speakers at moderate TV listening volume levels;however, suggest you wait on purchasing the additional amp until you determine if it's needed or not.
from marantz customer support:
"The SR7010 can drive speakers rated anywhere between 4-16 ohms. This receiver also falls well within the recommended amplifier power ratings range for these speakers. That being said, if you felt that the amplification within the receiver wasn't sufficient for the speakers (you may normally listen at certain volume levels which require a lot of power etc) then external amplification could be used in conjunction with the receiver."

so, as far as i can tell, given that the MLP is about 9 feet from the speakers, theoretically i wont need the extra amplification.
The question is, if there will be any kind of problem (maybe stretching) by running from the 7010 the 6ohm and 4ohm speakers simultaneously.

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from marantz customer support:
"The SR7010 can drive speakers rated anywhere between 4-16 ohms. This receiver also falls well within the recommended amplifier power ratings range for these speakers. That being said, if you felt that the amplification within the receiver wasn't sufficient for the speakers (you may normally listen at certain volume levels which require a lot of power etc) then external amplification could be used in conjunction with the receiver."

so, as far as i can tell, given that the MLP is about 9 feet from the speakers, theoretically i wont need the extra amplification.
The question is, if there will be any kind of problem (maybe stretching) by running from the 7010 the 6ohm and 4ohm speakers simultaneously.
Sorry ... don't buy it but be that as it may ... you've got two different remarks on 4-ohm support, however, as already suggested, you're best served simply giving it a try and if you need the external amps ... purchase them.
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Hi JD - It is 25 feet. I never had this issue with SR6009 which I was using in similar setup for more than a year. Only now with the new NR1606, i am facing this. Thankfully, it doesn't stay long and once the movie starts, it doesn't happen in the middle. It only happens at the start when i switch on the equipment's and stays for few minutes and it goes away after I randomly switch on/off my AVR or bluray player.
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Thanks JD. But mine isn't 4k/UHD. May my some other teething issue

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Then I'd give an HDMI extender from Monoprice a go or upgrade to better quality HDMI cables.
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Sorry ... don't buy it but be that as it may ... you've got two different remarks on 4-ohm support, however, as already suggested, you're best served simply giving it a try and if you need the external amps ... purchase them.
Sorry JD but my English are not my strong point ... i do understand that you suggest to simply try to drive them from the 7010 and then deside if i need extra power, and thats is what i'm thinking about !!!
my question is if there is a technical problem if i run simultaneously 6ohm and 4ohm speakers from 7010 ....
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Sorry JD but my English are not my strong point ... i do understand that you suggest to simply try to drive them from the 7010 and then deside if i need extra power, and thats is what i'm thinking about !!!
my question is if there is a technical problem if i run simultaneously 6ohm and 4ohm speakers from 7010 ....
I don't see why not. 6 ohms is easier to drive than 4 ohms. It doesn't care about mixing ohms, it may just choke on hard to drive speakers at high volumes.

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Sorry JD but my English are not my strong point ... i do understand that you suggest to simply try to drive them from the 7010 and then deside if i need extra power, and thats is what i'm thinking about !!!
my question is if there is a technical problem if i run simultaneously 6ohm and 4ohm speakers from 7010 ....
No .. not at all.
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Thanks!! I'll give it a try!

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Hey guys, I am facing a problem with my new SR-6010 where the sound from Computer (Windows 10 with audio via Intel HD 4600 HDMI) via HDMI Video goes off suddenly. Once I restart the PC it works properly.
When I check Windows 10 Audio Mixer it shows the audio level, which means the audio is being played back but no audio from Marantz.

I didn't do Microprocessor Reset yet but do you guys think this is a problem with the AV or with PC ?

Another problem is if I start the Sony TV before the Marantz, the ARC doesn't work and I have to switch off the TV wait for some 5 mins and then switch on the TV for ARC to work.
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Hey guys, I am facing a problem with my new SR-6010 where the sound from Computer (Windows 10 with audio via Intel HD 4600 HDMI) via HDMI Video goes off suddenly. Once I restart the PC it works properly.
When I check Windows 10 Audio Mixer it shows the audio level, which means the audio is being played back but no audio from Marantz.
I am not sure whats the issue, but when I check "Info" from Marantz, it says "Signal: Unknown" when audio goes off. But when audio is there the "Signal: PCM" is the status.
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Hi everyone,

I'm sure it's buried in the thread somewhere, but what's the cheapest decent 2 channel amp to easily amplify 2 height/atmos channels for my 7010 (Adding 0.0.2 to 7.1.2) I checked Amazon but I have no idea what I need. Thanks!
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HD-DVD audio problems

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I have a AV7702 MKII and cannot get any audio out of it from my old Toshiba HD-A3 HD-DVD player via HDMI. I get lossy audio over the optical output, but otherwise cannot get sound out of the A3. The video works properly. I've tried different HDMI cables, and different inputs on the MKII to no avail. I even have a spare A3 and tried that one as well with the same problem. The audio settings in the A3 are set to PCM for HDMI. I've tried PCM and bitstream over optical but then only get stereo over the optical connection. I have no problems getting audio over HDMI from my cable box, XBO, or BR player. Is there some quirk with the HDMI on the Toshiba so that it doesn't work with a modern PrePro?

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howdy folks, I was wondering if anyone can help me with this issue. I have the 7702mkii pre-amp and it works great and I love it. having said that, I tried to connect a WD 1.5TB HD to it via the front USB port, the drive light light up, and blinked a couple of times then stayed solidly lit. however, when selecting USB input, it says "no connection" meaning, nothing is connected (or I guess something not supported is connected) to the input.


it didn't make a difference how I had it formatted, NTFS or exFAT, still, it was not seen. I thought it was an issue about the size of the drive. so, I had an old 500gb drive, connected it, same issue. then I connected a 8gb thumb drive and it worked properly. can anyone tell me if they know of either an issue of this pre-amp (or Marantz in general) with WD USB HD drives or with USB HD drives of a certain size and larger that are not supported because the port can't properly power them. the USB port is listed as 5V/1A and I have no idea if it's the 1A rating that the 1.5TB drive can't function on.


the drive is fine, it works with my bedroom Onkyo 525 receiver, it works with all 3 of my Oppo players and all my pc's so, everything is pointing to the Marantz.


so anyone with the 7702mkii or perhaps the 8802a let me know if you either have the same issue or if you are able to use a large USB HD of a different brand with no problem.


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it didn't make a difference how I had it formatted, NTFS or exFAT, still, it was not seen.
Neither of those is supported according to the manual (FAT16/FAT32 only).
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Neither of those is supported according to the manual (FAT16/FAT32 only).
I created a small partition on the drive, formatted it to fat32 and it still didn't work, but, that partition was seen on everything else I had.


also, interestingly enough, my Onkyo 525 also says fat16/32 only, yet I have a 500gb hd connected to it right now NTFS listening to DSD64 files from it with no problem; go figure!

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I created a small partition on the drive, formatted it to fat32 and it still didn't work, but, that partition was seen on everything else I had.
Was that the only partition on the drive?
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Was that the only partition on the drive?
yep.


I of course, could always slap JRiver on my small HTPC, connect my drive to it and connect the Oppo 105 USB DAC to the HTPC and be done with it. I am just surprised for a pre-amp, that cost me almost 6.5 times as much as my cheap Onkyo receiver in my bedroom which reads the 1.5 in either exFAT or NTFS and streams everything off of it, that my pre-amp can't do it.


if that is the limitation of Marantz, that's fine, I'm just surprised, no, I'm shocked that they don't support large hard drives with NTFS knowing folks stream large hi-rez audio from USB drives onto it.


since I have a HTPC connected to my system, I will just connect the drive to it and access the music via the network.


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if that is the limitation of Marantz, that's fine, I'm just surprised, no, I'm shocked that they don't support large hard drives with NTFS knowing folks stream large hi-rez audio from USB drives onto it.
Yes, it's behind the times. Also note that surround sound isn't supported. Not sure whether the competition supports surround sound files or not.
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