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Marantz SR7010 & Outdoor Speakers

Hello All,

I'm not a A/V sophisticate (or all that up to speed on A/V) and hope I can get some suggestions.

I have a Marantz SR7010 receiver and have a set of Polk Atrium (4 or 5 -- I forget which ones) outdoor speakers set up as Zone 2 on the receiver. I'm not able to get much volume out of the combo and am wondering if I need different speakers or an amplifier or?

We typically listen to music over DirecTV -- the DTV receiver is routed through the Marantz; I have a set of B&W speakers ( CM9 fronts & CM Centre center, along with a powered sub) and a Panasonic display for the main zone.

The Polks are outdoors on the porch and at full volume I can still carry on a conversation. We have a little vineyard in front of our house and I'd like to be able to hear music when I'm working in the vineyard -- the rows start about 75' from the porch (and are 100' long) -- I can just hear the music at the start of the rows closest to the house and don't hear anything at the other end.

I actually don't get a lot of volume on the main zone either, but it's loud enough for indoors.

Thanks in advance.

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Zone 2 has a completely separate volume control from the main zone. I think that is where your problem lies.

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Zone 2 has a completely separate volume control from the main zone. I think that is where your problem lies.
Yup. I know. I am able to adjust the volume on Zone 2 separately from the Main zone...

Did a little Internet research and apparently low volume is a known DTV issue. So, I wonder if I added an amp just for the outdoor speakers and used the Zone 2 pre-amp out if I could get more volume outside?

If that sounds feasible, an amp recommendation would be great!

Thanks again,

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Yup. I know. I am able to adjust the volume on Zone 2 separately from the Main zone...

Did a little Internet research and apparently low volume is a known DTV issue. So, I wonder if I added an amp just for the outdoor speakers and used the Zone 2 pre-amp out if I could get more volume outside?

If that sounds feasible, an amp recommendation would be great!

Thanks again,

Mark
before you do that.

Check if the volume limit is enabled for zone 2.
http://manuals.marantz.com/SR7010/NA...SYztpsvccs.php

Max volume for zone 2 can be much lower than the main zone.
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Yup. I know. I am able to adjust the volume on Zone 2 separately from the Main zone...

Did a little Internet research and apparently low volume is a known DTV issue. So, I wonder if I added an amp just for the outdoor speakers and used the Zone 2 pre-amp out if I could get more volume outside?

If that sounds feasible, an amp recommendation would be great!

Thanks again,

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You'll want to be using 12AWG speaker wire for that kind of speaker wire distance. The Zone 2 Volume Limit defaults to 70/-10db from the factory, although you don't want to go higher than 80/0db.
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A Parasound Zamp would be a good choice for most outdoor speakers and ever since the UK decided to break free of the European Union, Parasound pricing has dropped considerably.

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Yup. I know. I am able to adjust the volume on Zone 2 separately from the Main zone...

Did a little Internet research and apparently low volume is a known DTV issue. So, I wonder if I added an amp just for the outdoor speakers and used the Zone 2 pre-amp out if I could get more volume outside?

If that sounds feasible, an amp recommendation would be great!

Thanks again,

Mark
Emotiva makes great amps at a reasonable price. Might want to check out the A-300 which does 150W per channels and is rated for 4 ohm loads.

One thing to note is that speaker sensitivity plays an important part on how loud the sound is based on a given power input (generally 1W). For instance a 90dB/W/m speaker sensitive speaker will sound much lounder than an 80dB/W/m for the same power. It will sound 2x louder in the same room/environment and listening position. So if you're having difficulty hearing the outdoor speakers at maximum power of the amp, most likely the speakers are insensitive or your ears are too far away as sound pressure drops by 6dB when the distance is doubled.

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You just need to set the audio to pure/direct and you should be good to go i think.

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Thanks. I'm good to go.
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A Parasound Zamp would be a good choice for most outdoor speakers and ever since the UK decided to break free of the European Union, Parasound pricing has dropped considerably.
How does Brexit change prices on a product from a company in San Francisco? http://www.parasound.com/support.php
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How does Brexit change prices on a product from a company in San Francisco? http://www.parasound.com/support.php
I reckon that would be due to the much more favourable exchange rate.
When I bought my SVS SB2000 here in the UK prior to Brexit they cost £550 each. If I was to buy them now they cost £750 each
That is a massive hike, and I'm not sure that it is purely explained by the weakened pound, but that is the situation.
I have a feeling that us Brits may find it a tad cold outside of The European Union.
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I reckon that would be due to the much more favourable exchange rate.
When I bought my SVS SB2000 here in the UK prior to Brexit they cost £550 each. If I was to buy them now they cost £750 each
That is a massive hike, and I'm not sure that it is purely explained by the weakened pound, but that is the situation.
I have a feeling that us Brits may find it a tad cold outside of The European Union.
I agree. Brexit is already increasing the price of imported goods, in the UK.

But the OP was saying the opposite: He said that Brexit was making Parasound gear cheaper for US people. I cannot figure that out, since Parasound HQ is in San Francisco.

Does Parasound manufacture their products in the UK?
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I agree. Brexit is already increasing the price of imported goods, in the UK.

But the OP was saying the opposite: He said that Brexit was making Parasound gear cheaper for US people. I cannot figure that out, since Parasound HQ is in San Francisco.

Does Parasound manufacture their products in the UK?
Hi,
Sorry I got that one wrapped around my neck somewhat.
I thought the OP was referring to a company that was importing goods from the UK and not a company manufacturing and selling in the US.
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Hi,
Sorry I got that one wrapped around my neck somewhat.
I thought the OP was referring to a company that was importing goods from the UK and not a company manufacturing and selling in the US.
You made the logical inference. But the OP's reasoning remains opaque.

I suppose it's possible the Parasound, based on San Francisco, has some economic connection with the UK that makes the whole thing less obvious, but the OP didn't explain that piece

In the absence of such info, it was just a counter-intuitive statement (Parasound gear is cheaper now because of Brexit) given that neither seller nor buyer nor manufacturer are in the UK.....

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But perhaps getting back on topic:

I do agree with the conversation that a Parasound amp is a good choice for external amplification. I had one of their five channel amps for a while and that thing could drive any load/speaker well, and sound great.

I would probably still have it today, but I didn't need five channels of external amplification. These D&M units are pretty robust, though since I have three speakers up front that are very inefficient/hard to drive (Triad Gold LCR) and I want to use all the Atmos channels the 6010 offers, I drive my LCR with a three channel Madrigal Proceed amp from the 1990s.
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Anyone using Graphic EQ and NOT Audyssey?

I am beginning to as I want control over my rooms Schroeder frequency effects etc and dont want Audyssey correcting much over 1khz for my mains.

Anyway, regarding my ATMOS MODULES, the Graphic EQ will not allow me to add any EQ to the modules after 1khz. It only allows adjustment up to 1k, and greys out the bars above. This is odd, anyone finding the same thing? Also, WHY is this the case? I want to add treble to my modules but I am unable to.

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AV7702mkII strange error message

I have had this happen twice in the past year or so.
I get an overlaid message apparently from my 7702mkII on all my video sources. The message is in large, bold, white labels and
shows CmpLblBtn3. There are also several black rectangular boxes overlaid as well. Had to power off the 7702 and power it
back on to remove the message. Switching sources made no difference.
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JD, is it possible to save my avr speaker and distance settings on the 6010 and load it on a newer model?

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Anyone using Graphic EQ and NOT Audyssey?

I am beginning to as I want control over my rooms Schroeder frequency effects etc and dont want Audyssey correcting much over 1khz for my mains.

Anyway, regarding my ATMOS MODULES, the Graphic EQ will not allow me to add any EQ to the modules after 1khz. It only allows adjustment up to 1k, and greys out the bars above. This is odd, anyone finding the same thing? Also, WHY is this the case? I want to add treble to my modules but I am unable to.


This is something I noticed too.

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JD, is it possible to save my avr speaker and distance settings on the 6010 and load it on a newer model?
No, however, always better served running Audyssey on the newer model anyway.
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No, however, always better served running Audyssey on the newer model anyway.


Thanks, think I will buy the 6011 model after all later this year.

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Thanks, think I will buy the 6011 model after all later this year.
Also keep in mind, with the 2016 and newer models, you can now use the new Audyssey MultEQ Editor app ($20USD, iOS, Android) in which case you run Audyssey from the app on the phone/tablet. This then allows running several configurations and editing the actual Audyssey EQ curve, taking < 90 seconds to stream it back to the AVR vs. the current 10 minutes on the 2015 models by LOADing the config file.
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Also keep in mind, with the 2016 and newer models, you can now use the new Audyssey MultEQ Editor app ($20USD, iOS, Android) in which case you run Audyssey from the app on the phone/tablet. This then allows running several configurations and editing the actual Audyssey EQ curve, taking < 90 seconds to stream it back to the AVR vs. the current 10 minutes on the 2015 models by LOADing the config file.


Thanks will keep that in mind. Do you know by any chance what the difference will be between the 6011 and the soon to be released 6012 model?

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Thanks will keep that in mind. Do you know by any chance what the difference will be between the 6011 and the soon to be released 6012 model?
The main change will be the 2017 models will all include a HEOS module (like the current SR7011) which allows using the HEOS app to stream one of 13 different music services to the AVR as well as streaming 2CH audio from the AVR to up to 32 HEOS speakers set up around the home.
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Hello, i'm pretty new to this receiver stuff and have been trying to understand a tad more. I am interested in dolby atmos, will have 3 fronts, two backs and two ceiling as atmos. (5.2.2) I know Marantz seems better and is a jump up in price, here is the dilema....

I can get the new Sony STR DN1080 7.2 (2017) with Atmos, which has pretty good reviews and seems to work pretty good for what i need (dont think I will use preamp but dont know) at $599 on Amazon.

I can on the other hand get a recertified Marantz SR6010 (2015) on Amazon for $121 more.($721) It seems to be a much more solid amp, regular price of $999 so seems to be a great deal, but then again new version STR6011 has come out. (at 1299 out of my price range)

I seem to think Marantz is the way to go, but after looking at reviews on Sony, i dont know if being newer it has better tech and will give me great results or i should go for Marantz considering deal and recertified?( have bought refurb electronics before with good results, no receivers though)

Help is appreciated with experienced Marantz Users!!
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Hello, i'm pretty new to this receiver stuff and have been trying to understand a tad more. I am interested in dolby atmos, will have 3 fronts, two backs and two ceiling as atmos. (5.2.2) I know Marantz seems better and is a jump up in price, here is the dilema....

I can get the new Sony STR DN1080 7.2 (2017) with Atmos, which has pretty good reviews and seems to work pretty good for what i need (dont think I will use preamp but dont know) at $599 on Amazon.

I can on the other hand get a recertified Marantz SR6010 (2015) on Amazon for $121 more.($721) It seems to be a much more solid amp, regular price of $999 so seems to be a great deal, but then again new version STR6011 has come out. (at 1299 out of my price range)

I seem to think Marantz is the way to go, but after looking at reviews on Sony, i dont know if being newer it has better tech and will give me great results or i should go for Marantz considering deal and recertified?( have bought refurb electronics before with good results, no receivers though)

Help is appreciated with experienced Marantz Users!!
Before offering advice I will offer full disclosure that you're in a Marantz owner thread. If it were up to me I would purchase the Marantz. I don't have any experience with Sony AVR's and to be honest I don't know anybody that owns one. If you read through this thread you won't find many posts of people that weren't happy with their purchase. If you're curious what people here on AVS think of the Sony you might find the thread for that particular model and read through it. That will give you an idea what people here think of it. My uneducated guess is most people here at AVS own either a Denon, Marantz, or Yamaha. Again, that's just a guess but the three are very popular.
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Before offering advice I will offer full disclosure that you're in a Marantz owner thread. If it were up to me I would purchase the Marantz. I don't have any experience with Sony AVR's and to be honest I don't know anybody that owns one. If you read through this thread you won't find many posts of people that weren't happy with their purchase. If you're curious what people here on AVS think of the Sony you might find the thread for that particular model and read through it. That will give you an idea what people here think of it. My uneducated guess is most people here at AVS own either a Denon, Marantz, or Yamaha. Again, that's just a guess but the three are very popular.
yup i assumed it would be a biased question for this thread. I know sony is not a go to here and overall brand, just wanted to see if anyone did know about the new sony which has had great reviews as well as this receiver as recertified at that specific price point. Anyways will look around and see if anyone does know about it.

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Hello, i'm pretty new to this receiver stuff and have been trying to understand a tad more. I am interested in dolby atmos, will have 3 fronts, two backs and two ceiling as atmos. (5.2.2) I know Marantz seems better and is a jump up in price, here is the dilema....



I can get the new Sony STR DN1080 7.2 (2017) with Atmos, which has pretty good reviews and seems to work pretty good for what i need (dont think I will use preamp but dont know) at $599 on Amazon.



I can on the other hand get a recertified Marantz SR6010 (2015) on Amazon for $121 more.($721) It seems to be a much more solid amp, regular price of $999 so seems to be a great deal, but then again new version STR6011 has come out. (at 1299 out of my price range)



I seem to think Marantz is the way to go, but after looking at reviews on Sony, i dont know if being newer it has better tech and will give me great results or i should go for Marantz considering deal and recertified?( have bought refurb electronics before with good results, no receivers though)



Help is appreciated with experienced Marantz Users!!


Check with JD Smoothie on this thread and have him give you a price on the 6011. I got a great deal from him on my 7010. Also you can check out the website Accessories4Less...they have refurbished units.


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Hello, i'm pretty new to this receiver stuff and have been trying to understand a tad more. I am interested in dolby atmos, will have 3 fronts, two backs and two ceiling as atmos. (5.2.2) I know Marantz seems better and is a jump up in price, here is the dilema....

I can get the new Sony STR DN1080 7.2 (2017) with Atmos, which has pretty good reviews and seems to work pretty good for what i need (dont think I will use preamp but dont know) at $599 on Amazon.

I can on the other hand get a recertified Marantz SR6010 (2015) on Amazon for $121 more.($721) It seems to be a much more solid amp, regular price of $999 so seems to be a great deal, but then again new version STR6011 has come out. (at 1299 out of my price range)

I seem to think Marantz is the way to go, but after looking at reviews on Sony, i dont know if being newer it has better tech and will give me great results or i should go for Marantz considering deal and recertified?( have bought refurb electronics before with good results, no receivers though)

Help is appreciated with experienced Marantz Users!!
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I'm not going to try and answer your question about which amp you should buy because I am not familiar with the Sony. What I would advise you to do is consider an amp that will allow four Atmos speakers (perhaps using pre outs and external amplification) because Atmos is all about being in a bubble of sound that is all around you. I don't believe you can achieve really great results with just two ceiling/height speakers.
Bear in mind that the speakers do not have to go in/on the ceiling but can be placed high up on front or side walls.
When I ordered my four bookshelf speakers, that I was planning to mount on my sloping attic ceilings, I got the first pair but had to wait a week for the second pair to arrive due to supply issues. I fitted the pair I had (as the front pair), ran Audyssey and then was somewhat underwhelmed by the results. I didn't experience the bubble.There was some height effect but not the 3-D sound I wanted. Fitting the second pair fixed that and now, although my room is far from ideal for Atmos I am getting good immersive sound.
For me Atmos/DTS:X is a worthwhile addition , even in my sub optimal room, and the great thing is that the upmixing of 5.1 or 7.1 tracks with the DTS Neural X or Dolby Surround upmixers can give spectacular results.
My 5.1 DTS version of Master and Commander sounds better than any Atmos film that I have ever heard once it is upmixed with the Neural X upmixer. That movie really does put you in a 3-D bubble.
Good luck with your choice.

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I seem to think Marantz is the way to go, but after looking at reviews on Sony, i dont know if being newer it has better tech and will give me great results or i should go for Marantz considering deal and recertified?( have bought refurb electronics before with good results, no receivers though)

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I'll add my opinion to the mix. I think you'll be happy with either one - I've had both. I do think the Marantz is a noticeable step up from the Sony in performance and stability. I made the jump this past year from "good" equipment (Sony, JBL) to "better" (Marantz, Definitive Tech) and have really, really appreciated the difference.
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Marantz AV7702 MkII and Windows 10

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I have done the search but can't find the answer, so hope to ask someone here. I finally upgraded my HTPC to windows 10 from 7; Everything works before with windows 7. My HTPC is correcting to the Marantz AV7702 MkII then to my JVC projector. Like I said everything works fine before the upgrade and I have not change out anything just the OS. Anyway, as soon as the windows logged in, there is nothing display to the screen, I can see the Bios bootup, windows login but as soon as it loggin then nothing...just a blue screen. Connecting the PC directly to the projector, bypassing the Marantz, worked find; so I know for sure that something is not right between the Marantz and windows 10. Is anyone have the same problem and know the solution?
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