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All,

Looking for some opinions.

Currently looking to buy a new AVR, (and HDR TV)

Currently can get the RZ800 for $699 delivered.

Unless I'm missing something, this seems like a heck of a good buy, not just for this Onkyo, but in general for a unit in this league.

Also, has anyone run a Dolby Vision signal through this unit successfully?

Has the HDR performance of this unit in general (both HDR10 and/or Dolby Vision) been rewarding?

Any comments would be appreciated.

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I too am looking at the 800 or the 900 and the 699 price tag is pretty nice. I keep thinking that since places are trying to sell it out completely that it might drop a bit more but probably not.

I like the 900 better of course, but I don't think it's worth the extra $200 (899 at frys right now).

I also really like that the 810 has google cast built in, but that feature alone is definitely not worth the $1000+ price tag over the 800. decisions decisions.

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I too am looking at the 800 or the 900 and the 699 price tag is pretty nice. I keep thinking that since places are trying to sell it out completely that it might drop a bit more but probably not.

I like the 900 better of course, but I don't think it's worth the extra $200 (899 at frys right now).

I also really like that the 810 has google cast built in, but that feature alone is definitely not worth the $1000+ price tag over the 800. decisions decisions.

$899 for the 900 @ FRY'S ???? Not seeing that today ........? 800 for $899 (sold out), $1499 for the 900!!!!
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I too am looking at the 800 or the 900 and the 699 price tag is pretty nice.

I like the 900 better of course, but I don't think it's worth the extra $200 (899 at frys right now).
Wouldn't the 900 have better sound quality, because it has a custom toroidal transformer and the 800 doesn't?

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Wouldn't the 900 have better sound quality, because it has a custom toroidal transformer and the 800 doesn't?

sure, if you think you can notice it. I'm pretty picky, but i doubt it would blow me away enough to spend the extra $$$

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$899 for the 900 @ FRY'S ???? Not seeing that today ........? 800 for $899 (sold out), $1499 for the 900!!!!


code must have expired. sure it will go back on soon.

the 800 is available at amazon and crutchfield.

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My rz900 just did a firmware update v. 1020-4000-0102...
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My rz900 just did a firmware update v. 1020-4000-0102...
Same here

Looks like its not the DTS:X update unfortunately


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As of 14 June 2016
  • Stabilizes video output when HDMI Out is set to SUB.
  • Stabilizes Network Standby when using a static IP address.
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Dolby Vision

Guys,

Again, has anyone successfully watched any Dolby Vision content on the 800 or 900?

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Again, has anyone successfully watched any Dolby Vision content on the 800 or 900?

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The only sources for Dolby vision content are through tv apps with either an lg oled or a Vizio...there is no current running any Dolby vision through the receiver
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All,

Looking for some opinions.

Currently looking to buy a new AVR, (and HDR TV)

Currently can get the RZ800 for $699 delivered.

Unless I'm missing something, this seems like a heck of a good buy, not just for this Onkyo, but in general for a unit in this league.

Also, has anyone run a Dolby Vision signal through this unit successfully?

Has the HDR performance of this unit in general (both HDR10 and/or Dolby Vision) been rewarding?

Any comments would be appreciated.

Advanced Thanks!
I have the 900 and have my Direcv HD54 running 4K thru w no problems.
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The only sources for Dolby vision content are through tv apps with either an lg oled or a Vizio...there is no current running any Dolby vision through the receiver
So, to your knowledge, the 800/900 will not pass an HDMI signal carrying the Dolby Vision dynamic metadata, allowing a Dolby Vision capable display to process that signal?
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The only sources for Dolby vision content are through tv apps with either an lg oled or a Vizio...there is no current running any Dolby vision through the receiver
So, to your knowledge, the 800/900 will not pass an HDMI signal carrying the Dolby Vision dynamic metadata, allowing a Dolby Vision capable display to process that signal?
In theory it should allow pass through, any receiver that has at least an hdmi 1.4 spec should.
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In theory it should allow pass through, any receiver that has at least an hdmi 1.4 spec should.
Theories are great until you shell out $700-1100 and are stuck on the wrong side yet another tech battle (HDR10 vs Dolby Vision) That's why I've been asking around for someone to confirm they have actually watched a Dolby Vision signal thru either a 800/900, from some means (Roku, etc.) Even asked Onkyo on the receiver forum. No answer yet. Frustrating, as it seems like a fairly straight forward question to an AVR manufacturer!
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Theories are great until you shell out $700-1100 and are stuck on the wrong side yet another tech battle (HDR10 vs Dolby Vision) That's why I've been asking around for someone to confirm they have actually watched a Dolby Vision signal thru either a 800/900, from some means (Roku, etc.) Even asked Onkyo on the receiver forum. No answer yet. Frustrating, as it seems like a fairly straight forward question to an AVR manufacturer!
don't ask in the forum. ask their customer service or ask crutchfield.

worst case scenario with this is that any DV stuff gets relegated back to HDR10 as that's the basis. or you don't go through the receiver and go direct to the tv.

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In theory it should allow pass through, any receiver that has at least an hdmi 1.4 spec should.
Theories are great until you shell out $700-1100 and are stuck on the wrong side yet another tech battle (HDR10 vs Dolby Vision) That's why I've been asking around for someone to confirm they have actually watched a Dolby Vision signal thru either a 800/900, from some means (Roku, etc.) Even asked Onkyo on the receiver forum. No answer yet. Frustrating, as it seems like a fairly straight forward question to an AVR manufacturer!
As previously mentioned there are no sources for dv other than from internal tv apps whether it's a Vizio tv or the newer oled tv. There are no roku or Amazon Fire stick or Apple TV that provide Dolby vision. You'll probably have to wait until someone releases a player with a dv chip in it which currently doesn't exist
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As previously mentioned there are no sources for dv other than from internal tv apps whether it's a Vizio tv or the newer oled tv. There are no roku or Amazon Fire stick or Apple TV that provide Dolby vision. You'll probably have to wait until someone releases a player with a dv chip in it which currently doesn't exist
I see what your saying. The only way to currently watch Dolby Vision is if your stream Netflix or Amazon DV content directly to a DV enabled TV.

I still feel that tech wise, Onkyo should be able to answer the question!
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As previously mentioned there are no sources for dv other than from internal tv apps whether it's a Vizio tv or the newer oled tv. There are no roku or Amazon Fire stick or Apple TV that provide Dolby vision. You'll probably have to wait until someone releases a player with a dv chip in it which currently doesn't exist
I see what your saying. The only way to currently watch Dolby Vision is if your stream Netflix or Amazon DV content directly to a DV enabled TV.

I still feel that tech wise, Onkyo should be able to answer the question!
Not if you stream to a tv, it can only be done FROM the tv. Internal apps only. I don't think any company can outwardly answer the question until someone releases the specs which would then start the frenzy of when a Dolby vision player will be on the market
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From the Dolby vision thread:


1) a HDMI 2.0a HDCP 2.2 receiver will do DV and HDR10

Afaik, this is correct

2) a HDMI 1.4 HDCP 2.0 receiver will do DV NOT HDR10

I assume you mean HDMI 1.4, HDCP 1.4. Afaik, there are no HDCP 2.0 devices. They pretty much skipped from HDCP 1.4 to HDCP 2.2. If the video requires 10.2 Gbps or less uncompressed bandwidth (up to 1080p 10/12-bit YUV 4:4:4/RGB or 2160p30 10/12-bit YUV 4:2:0) AND if it does not require HDCP 2.2 copy protection (I.e. HDCP 1.4 or older, including no copy protection) then an HDMI 1.4 HDCP 1.4 AVR should be able to pass said content, using the Dolby Vision format. It would not be able to do so using the HDR10 format, as HDR10 requires HDMI 2.0a to pass static metadata or HDMI 2.0b/2.1 to pass dynamic metadata. Note that all current UHD Blu-Ray disc titles use HDR10 w/ static metadata, so HDMI 2.0a is sufficient.

3) to "see" HDR10 a HDR capable TV is ok, to "see" DV a TV needs DV chipset to see, or you will get HDR10 instead.

"HDR capable" is not an official term you will see anywhere. Generally speaking, if a TV says that it supports HDR, they probably mean the open HDR10 standard. If it has the Ultra HD Premium logo then it definitely supports HDR10. Some displays only support HDR10 via. built-in streaming apps. Others support it via. apps and HDMI. Some displays support both HDR10 and Dolby Vision (e.g. LG's 2016 Super UHD LED/LCD's and OLED's). Others support only HDR10 (e.g. HDR displays from Panasonic, Samsung, and Sony). And, some support only Dolby Vision (e.g. Vizio's Reference series and 2016 M and P series). Though, Vizio has promised that the Reference and P series will receive firmware updates to add support for HDR10.

If your HDR content uses the HDR10 format then it can be played back in HDR using a video chain the supports HDR10. The playback device, display, and all devices between them must support HDR10 and, if HDMI is used, HDMI 2.0a). If your HDR content uses the Dolby Vision format then it can be played back in HDR using a source device and display that support Dolby Vision. Any other devices between the source device and display simply have to support the appropriate bandwidth and copy protection. In most cases, this would be HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2. However, their may be some Dolby Vision content that will even work with HDMI 1.4 and HDCP 1.4.

If you attempt to play HDR10 content using a source device/display that supports Dolby Vision, but not HDR10 then the source device will do an HDR to SDR conversion. If you attempt to play Dolby Vision content using a source device/display that supports HDR10, but not Dolby Vision then the source device will do an HDR to SDR conversion. If you attempt to play content that includes both Dolby Vision and HDR10 encodings using a source device and display that support Dolby Vision then it will play the Dolby Vision version. If you attempt to play content that includes both Dolby Vision and HDR10 encodings using a source device and display that support HDR10, but not Dolby Vision, then it will play the HDR10 version. Note that all Ultra HD Blu-Ray discs that support HDR must support HDR10 at a minimum. They can also optionally support Dolby Vision or another alternative format. This means that a UHD Blu-Ray disc that includes a Dolby Vision encoding will also include an HDR10 encoding, so it will play back in HDR using a display/source device that supports either Dolby Vision or HDR10. It's just a matter of which HDR version you get.
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So no worries if you have 800/900
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This is from Onkyo's 3-28-2016 press release in reference to the RZ610/710/810...

☆Note: Support for DTS:X™, Google Cast™, Tidal™ and FireConnect™ will be enabled on these receivers following firmware updates currently scheduled for summer 2016.

"Currently scheduled" is a bit suspicious also...since this leaves room for slipping. @Perolav could be correct too since the DTS:X releases for Denon were buggy.
Since the latest recently released firmware do not have DTS-X upgrade make me think that DTS-X upgrade is not planned in the near future. There seems to be lots of problems for Onkyo to implement this. Maybe we will never se DTS-X in our RZ800.
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Recently purchased a 2016 Vizio P65-C1 and am looking on future proofing sound. RZ-800 looks good but there is also an 810. Is the 810 just a newer 800? Also, what speakers do you guys/girls recommend on the aforementioned receivers?

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Just wondering if anyone has come across this? The receiver is great apart from the annoying fact that it switches to "Tuner" output completely randomly.

Usually happens once a day.
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It is a Onkyo TX-RZ810
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Just wondering if anyone has come across this? The receiver is great apart from the annoying fact that it switches to "Tuner" output completely randomly.

Usually happens once a day.
I have not...I have the 900...have you checked the remote and or tuner button on the receiver itself to see if it's slightly sticking or something?
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I have not...I have the 900...have you checked the remote and or tuner button on the receiver itself to see if it's slightly sticking or something?

Yeah the remote is fine, will double check the tuner but doubt it's something sticking
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I have not...I have the 900...have you checked the remote and or tuner button on the receiver itself to see if it's slightly sticking or something?
Yeah nothing sticking
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Just wondering if anyone has come across this? The receiver is great apart from the annoying fact that it switches to "Tuner" output completely randomly.

Usually happens once a day.
Not that but something similar. Last week I was listening to Sirius Radio, it switched from one channel to another. I say similar because I didn't do anything to make this happen.
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So no worries if you have 800/900
Thank you very much for all of that!
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Just wondering if anyone has come across this? The receiver is great apart from the annoying fact that it switches to "Tuner" output completely randomly.

Usually happens once a day.


That sounds like a tricky issue to track down. I suppose the command to change source could come from a variety of methods:
  • Source buttons on the Receiver
  • Onkyo IR remote
  • Neighbors Onkyo IR remote
  • Universal remote using the same command for another function
  • Onkyo Smartphone/Tablet App
  • Firmware anomaly
  • HDMI CEC (RIHD) / ARC enabled side affect
Perhaps if you covered up the IR port with tape, you could rule that out as the cause.
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Just a follow up on the subwoofer "hum" issue. I completely eliminated mine by taking my sub off of crossover bypass on the sub itself and raising its crossover to about 150hz. This was with no signal present the minute I turned the xover dial off of bypass the hum lessened and by 150ish it was gone. The xover setting in the AVR is still the same at 70hz.

For anyone with the hum issue try playing around with the xover dial if swapping cables or ground loop isolaters don't do the trick.

I did tweak my sub distance afterward as I believe activating the internal sub xover at all introduces additional delay.
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