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Having 6 speakers installed today to complete my Atmos/DTS:X (7.2.4) setup. I have the Marantz sr7010 and for speaker assignments I want top front/back L/R correct? I know this will work for Atmos but want to make sure this will also work for DTS:X?
Right now you want to use FH/RH for your speakers up top. This is the best configuration for both Atmos/DTS:X right now given your model of receiver.
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Right now you want to use FH/RH for your speakers up top. This is the best configuration for both Atmos/DTS:X right now given your model of receiver.
Ok, thanks for the quick reply. Trying to navigate this owners manual is like skimming a novel.
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"Sennheiser and Neumann will team up at 2016 NAB [April 18 - 21, 2016] to demonstrate Ambeo 3D audio 9.1 as well as introduce new microphones. Sennheiser and Neumann said the Ambelo 3D Audio 9.1 installation will feature a selection of Neumann monitor loudspeakers and a virtual-reality experience recorded with Sennheiser’s Ambeo VR microphone."


It would be nice to know something about the compatibility of Auro3D and Ambeo, but so far Sennheiser has not been in any hurry to make info about the config of the Ambeo 3D audio 9.1 speaker setup widely available.


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Your kodi custom skin looks cool. How did you install the kodi with custom program? Is it HTPC or Niv Sheild??

Could you please post link how to get kodi like yours.
Its the Aeon Mq6 skin on Jarvis . I made a playlist with parameters that include the word "atmos " and " DTS-X " . So every time I add a atmos or dts-x movie it automatically shows up under the immersive audio menu selection.

Just added The Monkey King 2 to the list of titles.
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Its the Aeon Mq6 skin on Jarvis . I made a playlist with parameters that include the word "atmos " and " DTS-X " . So every time I add a atmos or dts-x movie it automatically shows up under the immersive audio menu selection.

Just added The Monkey King 2 to the list of titles.
Good..

Is this skin supports to version 16?

So, when you play ATMOS/DTS-x enabled movies (from hard disk or any addon), the receiver plays with ATMOS format or just dolby digital?

Also, i am trying to see any option for ATMOS i my kodi sound settings, but i did not came through any. I am using Nexus player for KODI.

What sound settings you are using in KODI for play ATMOS/DTS-X content?

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You should have at least two height speakers in order to trigger the DTS:X.

Here some screenshots while playing demos on 2015 DTS Demo Disc.





Are you playing from PS4?
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Still no dice getting the 3050 to display DTS:X on front panel or Info panel. I have verified 1.77 firmware, Yamaha 3050. Playing the Divergent demo from the DTS '15 Disc. Still identifies as DTS Master HD. Have played the disc from Samsung UHD BD direct wired, several different ISO players over a different HDMI cable, verified HDMI Bitstream audio output on all, etc. All 4 height speakers are active 7.2.4. Dolby Atmos works great with this config.

At this point I'm baffled and assuming either the 2015 DTS demo disc may not have encoded DTS:X properly or I have a bad disc. So I ordered Ex Machina as the definitive test. Are you sure you're not using the DTS 2016 disc? Apparently such a disc exists.
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Still no dice getting the 3050 to display DTS:X on front panel or Info panel. I have verified 1.77 firmware, Yamaha 3050. Playing the Divergent demo from the DTS '15 Disc. Still identifies as DTS Master HD. Have played the disc from Samsung UHD BD direct wired, several different ISO players over a different HDMI cable, verified HDMI Bitstream audio output on all, etc. All 4 height speakers are active 7.2.4. Dolby Atmos works great with this config.



At this point I'm baffled and assuming either the 2015 DTS demo disc may not have encoded DTS:X properly or I have a bad disc. So I ordered Ex Machina as the definitive test. Are you sure you're not using the DTS 2016 disc? Apparently such a disc exists.
I played the Divergent demo from 2015 disc and everything was fine. My player is PS4.

You can refer to my pics above.

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Now that DTS:X update is out for Yamaha. Can I get a re-cap on the differences compared to D+M?

- DSU is not locked to Dolby so cross-mixing is possible.

What other issues? Center channel distortion on 2.0 Music like D+M with Nueral:X?

There is also a HDMI 2.0a issue on D+M that the DTS:X update causes with Cable where volume level increases on its own during commercial breaks.

Has Denon confirmed that a Firmware update is in the works?

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Still no dice getting the 3050 to display DTS:X on front panel or Info panel. I have verified 1.77 firmware, Yamaha 3050. Playing the Divergent demo from the DTS '15 Disc. Still identifies as DTS Master HD. Have played the disc from Samsung UHD BD direct wired, several different ISO players over a different HDMI cable, verified HDMI Bitstream audio output on all, etc. All 4 height speakers are active 7.2.4. Dolby Atmos works great with this config.



At this point I'm baffled and assuming either the 2015 DTS demo disc may not have encoded DTS:X properly or I have a bad disc. So I ordered Ex Machina as the definitive test. Are you sure you're not using the DTS 2016 disc? Apparently such a disc exists.


I dont have a ps4 but is there a secondary audio output option or multiple audio output? Some bluray players have the secondary audio out and i know it needs to be off.
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Now that DTS:X update is out for Yamaha. Can I get a re-cap on the differences compared to D+M?

- DSU is not locked to Dolby so cross-mixing is possible.

What other issues? Center channel distortion on 2.0 Music like D+M with Nueral:X?

There is also a HDMI 2.0a issue on D+M that the DTS:X update causes with Cable where volume level increases on its own during commercial breaks.

Has Denon confirmed that a Firmware update is in the works?
D&M have confirmed that an update was on the way to fix the lack of cross upmixing since the DTS:X update. The centre channel distortion is present on Yamaha models as well AFAIK, so DTS have to fix it in their code before manufacturers can issue a f/w update.
Not sure about the increase in level during commercial breaks, maybe someone else can answer that one.
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Finished my Atmos/DTS:X install yesterday and color me impressed. We watched Mad Max and MI:Rogue Nation and the difference was simply stunning. My wife said the difference was equivalent to moving from standard def tv to high def and I agree.
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Good..

Is this skin supports to version 16?

So, when you play ATMOS/DTS-x enabled movies (from hard disk or any addon), the receiver plays with ATMOS format or just dolby digital?

Also, i am trying to see any option for ATMOS i my kodi sound settings, but i did not came through any. I am using Nexus player for KODI.

What sound settings you are using in KODI for play ATMOS/DTS-X content?

Sam
The Nexus player doesn't support DTSHD/TRUEHD, so ATMOS and DTS:X will not work.
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Its the Aeon Mq6 skin on Jarvis . I made a playlist with parameters that include the word "atmos " and " DTS-X " . So every time I add a atmos or dts-x movie it automatically shows up under the immersive audio menu selection.



Just added The Monkey King 2 to the list of titles.


Can you explain how to modify the skin to show Atmos and DTS:X?

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Can you explain how to modify the skin to show Atmos and DTS:X?
Aeon MQ7 already have built-in support for ATMOS and DTS:X, but with MQ6 you have to to do the MOD yourself.

Go to the Kodi AEON MQ forum and I will try to help you there, this is an Immersive Audio Thread.
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Good..

Is this skin supports to version 16?

So, when you play ATMOS/DTS-x enabled movies (from hard disk or any addon), the receiver plays with ATMOS format or just dolby digital?

Also, i am trying to see any option for ATMOS i my kodi sound settings, but i did not came through any. I am using Nexus player for KODI.

What sound settings you are using in KODI for play ATMOS/DTS-X content?

Sam
The Nexus player doesn't support DTSHD/TRUEHD, so ATMOS and DTS:X will not work.
Thanks.

Do you know what device will support Kodi with ATMOS/DTS-X and other standard decides? Is NSheild supports??
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Thanks.

Do you know what device will support Kodi with ATMOS/DTS-X and other standard decides? Is NSheild supports??
The NSD (Nvidia Sheild) does support DTSHD/TRUEHD in Kodi with the latest update, So DTS:X and ATMOS will work.
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OK. I finally, yes FINALLY got 2 pairs of Jamo C93 speakers for the height channels, which I think they will be a perfect match to my existing speakers.

So far the best mount I could find to hold them is the Vogels VLB 200 https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...A3P5ROKL5A1OLE, the mount can only tilt 15 degree downwards.





Do you think the tilting degree is good enough to aim them towards the MLP? Or do I need to have them tilted down further?

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Whether 15 degrees is adequate depends on their vertical off axis graphs/measurements and the resulting angle based on where your MLP is and the speaker at 15 degrees (sorry I missed that discussion) - any measurements from Jamo for how they change as you move out vertically/horizontally? Here is one example of a manufacturer providing what you need to answer that question. The limit of 15 degrees is why I did not use these mounts or a few others that are similar for my tops/heights. Had to go with something that could be mounted and angled more than a bookshelf until Ascend comes out with their mini Sierra 2s later this summer.

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I've got a Denon AVR-X4200W and I'm planning on installing 4 ceiling speakers which I have already bought. I think it was comments in this forum that persuaded me to go for 5.1.4 instead of the 7.1.2 I originally planned! . However, I already had 7.1 so the rear speakers will be silent when in 5.1.4 mode.

Using Batpig's excellent DTS-X diagram, thanks for doing that as it really helped explain that complicated issue!, I've overlaid it onto the plan of my lounge. I'm not sure why the Atmos rectangle is "tall and thin" but the Dolby diagram's one with the 4 top speakers has them in a "short and fat" rectangle?

Anyway as you can see it is a very small room, my main question is: what is the minimum distance away from the back wall I can comfortably put the rear top left and rear top right ceiling speakers? In the compromise of angle being right vs speaker being too close to the back wall, are there any opinions as to which is more important please?
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The thing with the Dolby "rectangle" is that the width is determined by the front speakers (according to the Atmos guidelines).

My diagram wasn't meant to be definitive with respect to the "tall and skinny" rectangle, I was merely trying to illustrate the difference between the way that "45 degree elevation" differs between the Dolby and DTS methodologies (side-view vs. radial). The key point was to clearly illustrate that the DTS definition of "45 degree elevation" actually places the speakers slightly closer to the listening position (in terms of distance fore/aft) than the Dolby definition.

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The thing with the Dolby "rectangle" is that the width is determined by the front speakers (according to the Atmos guidelines).

My diagram wasn't meant to be definitive with respect to the "tall and skinny" rectangle, I was merely trying to illustrate the difference between the way that "45 degree elevation" differs between the Dolby and DTS methodologies (side-view vs. radial). The key point was to clearly illustrate that the DTS definition of "45 degree elevation" actually places the speakers slightly closer to the listening position (in terms of distance fore/aft) than the Dolby definition.

Don't take it as a 100% rigid layout for your speakers.
Thankyou, I see, that makes perfect sense.

If I change the circle to be the other way from the Dolby diagram then I end up with this. Going back to my question about how close the speakers can be to the back ceiling, is it worth trying to compromise between the perfect Dolby / DTS-X position, or better to stick with the Dolby positions?

[Edit: I think the difference is marginal in my tiny room. The beams in the ceiling are going to have a bigger influence on where the speakers end up I think! Drawing out the DTS:X positions on paper (not the attachment), it actually places the speakers within the boundary of the sofa, so only the person sitting in the middle seat would be between all four. The people on the ends would be almost entirely underneath the DTS:X positions! So - Dolby positions it is :-) ]
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Calculations done (for 120cm ear height, and lower put the sofa too far forward) and this is as much to scale as I can do with what I have! :-)

I probably want the fronts more than 22° apart, but in the full 30° position on the diagram would get boiled by a radiator I have on the right-hand wall. It also puts the Top Rear Right speaker too close for my liking to the Surround Right. So I can always put them in the 22° position, and pull them forward from the wall a little bit to get an angle greater than 22°.

The DTS:X layout clearly doesn't work well with my ceiling height, only the one person in the middle seat of the sofa can benefit! It seems to be designed for rooms with much higher ceilings. Ultimately it'll come down to where the beams are in the ceiling which I hope to measure a bit more accurately next.

I don't have any choice with the Top Rears, but for the two Top speakers at the front I could put them in the "minimum distance" position (roughly half-way across the ceiling) and assign them as "Top Middle" or "Top Front", or I could put them farther away towards the "maximum distance" position closer to the Front floor speakers, and assign them as "Top Front". Is there a consensus on which is better please? The assignment of the speakers in the amp is easy to change, but the positions won't be
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Same old marketing materials IMO. I would it would be great if FilmMixer weighed in on the faster mix comment since over a year ago he had said Dolby had eliminated this issue.

As long as we get more immersive mixers I don't care who does them, but it will be nice when DTS:X goes with object based mixes as promised over a year ago.

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This article is confused on so many levels, I have to wonder if the authors are just in over their heads, or if the DTS folks they spoke with were being deliberately confusing. It barely grasps the point of object-based mixing, and confuses the idea of having a single mix that renders to an arbitrary speaker layout with somehow fixing the need to re-EQ for the home theater mix (they mention the X-curve in cinema, and go straight into the single-mix idea). The article also weirdly conflates the Atmos-Enabled up-firing speakers with immersive sound in general; doubly strange since Dolby did all the heavy lifting in developing that technology and DTS had nothing to do with it.

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UHD only but...

Oblivion
Lucy
and
The Martian: Extended

All announced to release in Dolby Atmos on UHD.

Lone Survivor gets a release on UHD with DTS:X audio.

Interesting note, Oblivion was the first (IIRC) theatrical sound mix that was mixed native in Atmos first then downmixed from there.

Another interesting note, Lone Survivor did not have an immersive mix at all. This will be a re-mix.
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