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I am NOT happy with 7010 at all. VERY BRIGHT. SR7005 sounded much better. Marantz have lost their warm sound
I hope this is not the case I just sold my 7008 to get the Mkii
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9.1.4 with SR7010?

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Ok, got it.
When playing DD5.1 or DD7.1 content I am able to extend to 9.1 using DSX.
Upon using DD5.1 or DD7.1 and DSU I am able to upmix to 7.1.2 or 7.1.4.
Not sure yet if it is possible to upmix also to front Wides when playing 'real' Atmos content.
Then it would be possible to get 9.1.2 using an additional amplifier.
I tested my 9.1.2 setup when playing DD5.1 by adding an additional amp to connect FL en FR. Furthermore I connected Height 1 to ceiling speakers and defined my Front Height as Top Front Ceiling speakers. Not completely correct but all speakers get signal by doing so.
Just faking the Front Wides as being Top Front speakers is a nice workaround to get all 11 speakers going by upmixing DD5.1, DD7.1 and even stereo.
Since there are enough PRE-outs why shouldn´t be somehow possible 13.2 or 9.1.4 with SR7010 while using 2 external stereo amps or 4-channel external amp ?
With my old Onkyo TX NR818 which is only 7.2 I was able to run 9.2 speakers even without external amp.....
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Since there are enough PRE-outs why shouldn´t be somehow possible 13.2 or 9.1.4 with SR7010 while using 2 external stereo amps or 4-channel external amp ?
With my old Onkyo TX NR818 which is only 7.2 I was able to run 9.2 speakers even without external amp.....
You can connect up to 13 speakers, however, only 11 will operate at one time depending on the surround mode selected.
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SR 7010 cannot handle it, can Denon X7200?

Well if My new SR 7010 cannot, would Denon X7200 be able to do that?

Bellow on picture a info display of a DTS source movie which I had to switch on media player to AAC otherwise no TFL no TFR no RHL and no RHR was possible in ANY setting even if they are attached and connected.
Yet still I am missing FWL and FWR which are very important to me (large speakers) since FL and FR are placed very much in the center due to only free space left.
Furthermore I have FHL and FHR as well which even do not appeare on the picture despite of they are connected.

This is really big missing point, is there any solution how to make tem all play? Would Denon X7200 be able to do that? I need all my top speakers and really badly need FWL and FWR be active as well

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For now, without going to Trinnov or some other ultra high end processor, there are no AVR's or Pre/Pro's that will process more than 11 channels (not counting LFE) at one time. This is a current restriction in processing capabilities, not in connections or amps.

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For now, without going to Trinnov or some other ultra high end processor, there are no AVR's or Pre/Pro's that will process more than 11 channels (not counting LFE) at one time. This is a current restriction in processing capabilities, not in connections or amps.

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Well if My new SR 7010 cannot, would Denon X7200 be able to do that?

Bellow on picture a info display of a DTS source movie which I had to switch on media player to AAC otherwise no TFL no TFR no RHL and no RHR was possible in ANY setting even if they are attached and connected.
Yet still I am missing FWL and FWR which are very important to me (large speakers) since FL and FR are placed very much in the center due to only free space left.
Furthermore I have FHL and FHR as well which even do not appeare on the picture despite of they are connected.

This is really big missing point, is there any solution how to make tem all play? Would Denon X7200 be able to do that? I need all my top speakers and really badly need FWL and FWR be active as well

thank you in advance
No, the X7200W cannot do more than 11 at a time either. In fact no AVR < $10,000 can do more than 11 speakers at one time. If you want 4 in the ceiling you can have 7 on the floor which means you must drop the SBL/SBR if you want FWL/FWR.
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Same thing, you can connect more, but only 11 will work at one time.

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Same thing, you can connect more, but only 11 will work at one time.
well there is still ZATMOS and ScATMOS in the thread beyond 7.2.4, which I am going to test out....
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For those of you which had the SR7009 and SR7010 did any of you notice any sound quality differences between the two? I would love to save money and go with the 09 series since I'm only running a 2.1 setup right now but I know the SR7010 has that 32bit DAC over the 24bit DAC in the SR7009. Thanks
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For those of you which had the SR7009 and SR7010 did any of you notice any sound quality differences between the two? I would love to save money and go with the 09 series since I'm only running a 2.1 setup right now but I know the SR7010 has that 32bit DAC over the 24bit DAC in the SR7009. Thanks

I cannot answer that, but I just replaced my Harman Kardon AVR630 with a Marantz SR7010. I cannot say one way or the other if sound quality improved yet for most content. My old HK was pretty darn good. I'm guessing there is only a slight improvement from the 7009 to the 7010. If you're making the decision based on features and price, the price would have to be pretty drastic for me to want to choose the 7009 over the 7010.
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Generally seems to be about half off if not more price wise so it's significant.
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Generally seems to be about half off if not more price wise so it's significant.

Agreed. Probably worth the savings
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For those of you which had the SR7009 and SR7010 did any of you notice any sound quality differences between the two? I would love to save money and go with the 09 series since I'm only running a 2.1 setup right now but I know the SR7010 has that 32bit DAC over the 24bit DAC in the SR7009. Thanks
I had the SR7009, but the Dolby chip went bad and my installer was able to get me a 7010 for just another $200, so I made the jump up.

I haven't noticed that big a difference in the sound quality, but I'm still putting it through it's paces...

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DTS:X update

Yes, just updated m SR7010 to DTS:X.
There is one thing I specifically like about DTS:X Neural compared to DSU:
- With DSU the upmixing is to a maximum of 9 speakers, Front Wides will not work
- With DTS:X neural, upmixing is to a maximum of 11 speakers, Front Wides included!

9.2.2 Rocks!

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I just installed 4 ceiling speakers yesterday and played the Atmos Demos and some movies. Not sure I'm yet totally blown away by the sound. That said I haven't setup Audyssey, and only level-matched and set distances using a tape measure and SPL meter. The SR7010 internal amps are driving the 4 ceiling speakers. All others are externally powered.
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I just installed 4 ceiling speakers yesterday and played the Atmos Demos and some movies. Not sure I'm yet totally blown away by the sound. That said I haven't setup Audyssey, and only level-matched and set distances using a tape measure and SPL meter. The SR7010 internal amps are driving the 4 ceiling speakers. All others are externally powered.

I'm just to quote myself and correct what I said about not being blown away. It turns out that I didn't have Bitstreaming turned on at the JRiver application on my HTPC, so I was getting true Atmos/DTS:X. Holy cow, I'm blown away now
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I'm just to quote myself and correct what I said about not being blown away. It turns out that I didn't have Bitstreaming turned on at the JRiver application on my HTPC, so I was getting true Atmos/DTS:X. Holy cow, I'm blown away now
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Could you please share some advice here? I also just installed 4 ceiling speakers; total set-up is now 5.1.4. Like you, I am "not blown away" at all. I have run Audisey set-up of speakers and then I used several "DOLBY Atmos" demo videos from youtube as well as Mars and Gravity blurays with ATMOS. I use Mac mini-based HTPC with OpenELEC and Kodi. As far as I could understand Kodi on OpenELEC should do good ATMOS decoding, but particularly it allows passthrough (I have enabled passthrough in the settings), which I would think would be best to allow Marantz SR7010 do the magic.

Alas, no decent results. The sound is coming from all over the place. Yes, I can hear sounds coming from above, and to some degree also from the rear speakers. But there is no clarity. Definitely there is no "spacial precision". It is just standard surround (with quite poor rear sound in fact, and surprisingly weak centers as well), and no detail. What am I doing wrong? Any ideas?

Not sure about this "bitstreaming" you are mentioning? Maybe this is what I missed, but not sure how to set that up in Kodi?

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Could you please share some advice here? I also just installed 4 ceiling speakers; total set-up is now 5.1.4. Like you, I am "not blown away" at all. I have run Audisey set-up of speakers and then I used several "DOLBY Atmos" demo videos from youtube as well as Mars and Gravity blurays with ATMOS. I use Mac mini-based HTPC with OpenELEC and Kodi. As far as I could understand Kodi on OpenELEC should do good ATMOS decoding, but particularly it allows passthrough (I have enabled passthrough in the settings), which I would think would be best to allow Marantz SR7010 do the magic.



Alas, no decent results. The sound is coming from all over the place. Yes, I can hear sounds coming from above, and to some degree also from the rear speakers. But there is no clarity. Definitely there is no "spacial precision". It is just standard surround (with quite poor rear sound in fact, and surprisingly weak centers as well), and no detail. What am I doing wrong? Any ideas?



Not sure about this "bitstreaming" you are mentioning? Maybe this is what I missed, but not sure how to set that up in Kodi?



Cheers!

Does it say "Dolby Atmos" on the secondary screen (the one behind the drop down door) when you play an Atmos movie? That's what I was missing - mine said "Dolby Surround" instead.
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Does it say "Dolby Atmos" on the secondary screen (the one behind the drop down door) when you play an Atmos movie? That's what I was missing - mine said "Dolby Surround" instead.
It does. I was able to get this when I made settings in Kodi aware that I have a HD audio capable AVR and opted for passthrough on Kodi.

However, issue with sound precision remains. I posted more explanation of what's happening in this post:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...l#post42193249
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I have separates now, a Sherbourn PT-7030 and a monster Sherbourn 7/2100A amp. I'm undecided on whether to get a 7702MK II and keep the amp or get rid of both in favor of a SR7010. My speakers are efficient (LCR, 97db, Surrounds 94db), so in terms of power, I believe the SR7010 will be fine. Any thoughts? I suppose I could always A/B the SR7010 alone and then using the pre-outs with the big Sherbourn amp and decide then?

I had read that some users were complaining of hiss/noise with highly efficient speakers and the 7702. Anyone know if the same issue is present with the SR7010?

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I have separates now, a Sherbourn PT-7030 and a monster Sherbourn 7/2100A amp. I'm undecided on whether to get a 7702MK II and keep the amp or get rid of both in favor of a SR7010. My speakers are efficient (LCR, 97db, Surrounds 94db), so in terms of power, I believe the SR7010 will be fine. Any thoughts? I suppose I could always A/B the SR7010 alone and then using the pre-outs with the big Sherbourn amp and decide then?

I had read that some users were complaining of hiss/noise with highly efficient speakers and the 7702. Anyone know if the same issue is present with the SR7010?
I haven't noticed any hiss. My speakers aren't quite as sensitive as yours though 93db and 91db.
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I have separates now, a Sherbourn PT-7030 and a monster Sherbourn 7/2100A amp. I'm undecided on whether to get a 7702MK II and keep the amp or get rid of both in favor of a SR7010. My speakers are efficient (LCR, 97db, Surrounds 94db), so in terms of power, I believe the SR7010 will be fine. Any thoughts? I suppose I could always A/B the SR7010 alone and then using the pre-outs with the big Sherbourn amp and decide then?



I had read that some users were complaining of hiss/noise with highly efficient speakers and the 7702. Anyone know if the same issue is present with the SR7010?

There's always a predicament with AVRs versus separates. I think you could easily get rid of your Sherbourn. But separate amps are always going to be more powerful than an AVR. Are you always going to have efficient speakers? If yes, go ahead and get rid of the external amps. I assume you are always only going to have 9 channels or less? The SR7010 can do 80wx7 concurrent, and no more. If you plan to do Atmos or expanding to 9 or 11-channels, I would keep the Sherbourn. The other reason why I would keep the Sherbourn is because "when are you going to be able to buy such a monster amp again for a good price?" If you bought it used, you will retain some of the value. If new, you will lose money. There is also an energy cost savings by running everything off the SR7010 if that matters to you...
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Great points... I do love the big Sherbourn amp and quite frankly its almost too heavy to move! As for the 7702 vs the SR7010, I guess the benefit of the AVR vs the processor is that I do gain extra channels of amplification and should I decide to try some height speakers, I'd be good to go.

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There's always a predicament with AVRs versus separates. I think you could easily get rid of your Sherbourn. But separate amps are always going to be more powerful than an AVR. Are you always going to have efficient speakers? If yes, go ahead and get rid of the external amps. I assume you are always only going to have 9 channels or less? The SR7010 can do 80wx7 concurrent, and no more. If you plan to do Atmos or expanding to 9 or 11-channels, I would keep the Sherbourn. The other reason why I would keep the Sherbourn is because "when are you going to be able to buy such a monster amp again for a good price?" If you bought it used, you will retain some of the value. If new, you will lose money. There is also an energy cost savings by running everything off the SR7010 if that matters to you...

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Great points... I do love the big Sherbourn amp and quite frankly its almost too heavy to move! As for the 7702 vs the SR7010, I guess the benefit of the AVR vs the processor is that I do gain extra channels of amplification and should I decide to try some height speakers, I'd be good to go.

Supposedly the 7702 MKii should sound better than the SR7010, but my ears couldn't tell the difference. And a lot of folks think that an AVR is a pre-pro with an extra amplifier thrown in "for free." The SR7010 sounds quite good and can still do pure direct for the times when you really want absolutely top 2-channel capability. I'd go that route.
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I've just installed the Auro 3d upgrade.
In my opinion the (online) manual is not very clear in explaining the various options. I was under the impression that every upgrade would be added to the original settings,
but this is not the case ! In speaker configuration, all previous settings will be gone when downloading the upgrade: only speaker configurations listed under the "auro upgrade"
will eventually be available. That means you will not be able to select ceiling speakers anymore, only back height and side height speakers.
It would have been much better to leave all configuration options in the settings so that the end user can decide for himself which layout he wants to use in the end.
Another shortcoming : in auro mode you apparently can not use back surrounds.
Since I have installed 4 ceiling speakers for Atmos/DTS:X and 4 additional height speakers for Auro I'm working on a layout which will enable me to use every speaker for its
intended purpose.
All things considered I'm very happy with this amp. The potential of the new formats is really great, the problem lies with the sound engineers; as long as they think the overhead sound is a "distraction" from the screen, we won't get any decent soundmixes out there. Hollywood is already slowly killing 3D because they refuse to use it where its strength lies,
hopefully they won't make the same mistake here...
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I've just installed the Auro 3d upgrade.
In my opinion the (online) manual is not very clear in explaining the various options. I was under the impression that every upgrade would be added to the original settings,
but this is not the case ! In speaker configuration, all previous settings will be gone when downloading the upgrade: only speaker configurations listed under the "auro upgrade"
will eventually be available. That means you will not be able to select ceiling speakers anymore, only back height and side height speakers.
It would have been much better to leave all configuration options in the settings so that the end user can decide for himself which layout he wants to use in the end.
Another shortcoming : in auro mode you apparently can not use back surrounds.
Since I have installed 4 ceiling speakers for Atmos/DTS:X and 4 additional height speakers for Auro I'm working on a layout which will enable me to use every speaker for its
intended purpose.
All things considered I'm very happy with this amp. The potential of the new formats is really great, the problem lies with the sound engineers; as long as they think the overhead sound is a "distraction" from the screen, we won't get any decent soundmixes out there. Hollywood is already slowly killing 3D because they refuse to use it where its strength lies,
hopefully they won't make the same mistake here...
Correct. Auro 3D uses a different configuration than Atmos/DTS:X (ie. the only in-ceiling speaker is the Top Surround). This is why the update was released to allow Rear Height to be used in addition to Front Height so the FH+RH configuration could be used with all 3 formats.

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yesterday i hooked up my new 7010 along with new Martin Logan 60XT, 50XT and the upwards firing AFX speakers. I know there is a break in time for the ML's but is there such a thing as receiver break-in time?

the quality of the sound was supurb from the Martin Logans but the atmos feature was underwhelming. I'm not sure if thats because of the AFX speakers, the shape of my ceiling or the amp...? i tested this using the atmos blu ray disc... What is also weird is that when i ran Audassy it told me to check the connection between the amp and the atmos speakers after running the tests. When the amp was running the test i could hear the audio being tested from the AFX speakers so i'm not sure why it was asking me to test the connection. Regardless, i did disconnect and reconnect each AFX speaker from the speaker side and amp side of the speaker wire connection. I ran the test three times w/ the same error before finally clicking Ignore and moving on. Anyone have a guess as to why this would be the case?

i was also surprised that although the speakers were able to turn up loud, it wasnt deafening like i was anticipating lol. I guess i'll have to upgrade to separates at a later date for that.
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yesterday i hooked up my new 7010 along with new Martin Logan 60XT, 50XT and the upwards firing AFX speakers. I know there is a break in time for the ML's but is there such a thing as receiver break-in time?

the quality of the sound was supurb from the Martin Logans but the atmos feature was underwhelming. I'm not sure if thats because of the AFX speakers, the shape of my ceiling or the amp...? i tested this using the atmos blu ray disc... What is also weird is that when i ran Audassy it told me to check the connection between the amp and the atmos speakers after running the tests. When the amp was running the test i could hear the audio being tested from the AFX speakers so i'm not sure why it was asking me to test the connection. Regardless, i did disconnect and reconnect each AFX speaker from the speaker side and amp side of the speaker wire connection. I ran the test three times w/ the same error before finally clicking Ignore and moving on. Anyone have a guess as to why this would be the case?

i was also surprised that although the speakers were able to turn up loud, it wasnt deafening like i was anticipating lol. I guess i'll have to upgrade to separates at a later date for that.
I'm sure others more knowledgeable will reply soon addressing the apparent glitch you're having during the setup process.

If that doesn't get resolved, or doesn't produce the Atmos performance you were anticipating, it is possible that the limiting factor is your use of Atmos-enabled speakers, rather than ceiling mounted or in-ceiling speakers.

When I started researching Atmos options for my room, my distinct impression I had after reading many, many posts, was that using ceiling mounted, or in-ceiling speakers, mounted as close as possible to Dolby recommendations, had the highest likelihood of producing results that people are looking for. It seemed that the people having the most problems, and least satisfaction, were those using Dolby enabled speakers (of various brands and costs).

I was impressed enough by what I read that I abandoned the idea of Atmos-enabled speakers for my room. I have vaulted ceilings, which make this approach even less likely to succeed, but even if that weren't the case, I think I would still have opted for the ceiling based speakers.

This is not to say that there aren't people with Dolby enabled speakers who aren't thrilled with what they hear, but just playing the odds, as best I could see, I though I would go a different way.

And who knows, maybe there is a setup glitch that can be addressed, and you'll end up perfectly happy with what you have.

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omg, i feel like such an idiot.... turns out the blu ray player wasn't sending atmos to the AVR. It was mixing it improperly. Now that the setting is changed i can hear the difference! lol

another question that i know is probably dumb but i cant seem to figure it out... is there a way to upmix non-atmos music/movies/tv through the receiver to give it a the atmos sound?

i'm new to the marantz family so i'm still trying to find my way around
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