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I have a 7 channel power amp. I run 5.1.2. I want to get another set of high speakers can I run these of the 720 as rear height speakers. Use the power amp for the LCR Surround and rear height.

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Good news!! I can get rid of that Bootcamp partition I have on my MacBook from when I ran ARC. I wonder if the iOS app will also be updated. I was going to buy the calibrated mic for the iOS app, but if the new ARC won't be supported on iOS, I won't bother.

Edit: I found this at referencehometheater.com:

It’s great news! I too was going to buy the calibrated mic but probably won’t now that I can use my MacBook. I’m sure they will update the app too. I’m not impressed with ARC mobile compared to the mic.

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Big news for current Anthem owners:



Anthem Unveils ARC Genesis—the Next Generation of Anthem’s Critically-Acclaimed Room Correction Software – Anthem Electronics, award-winning manufacturer of high-end electronics for music and home theater, is pleased to unveil details of ARC Genesis, the third generation of their critically-acclaimed Anthem Room Correction (ARC) software. Available in Spring 2019 for free from Anthem’s website, this proprietary digital signal processing technology works with compatible 2-channel and home theater audio products and offers advanced measurement functions, powerful acoustic correction algorithms, user-configurable target curve customization, a streamlined user interface, and support for both Mac and Windows



Free update for all existing owners, target curve manipulation and you can now use quick measure to look at the CORRECTED response of a speaker. This allows you to look at multiple corrected responses to determine which is the best to use. No time alignment though, bummer.
Did anthem announce this on there website. Would like to find out more information on this

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Did anthem announce this on there website. Would like to find out more information on this

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I could not find a press release or announcement on their website.

I found it doing a google search - https://referencehometheater.com/pre...s-at-ise-2019/


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This will be awesome to have a real update

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Sound & Vision just sent out a blurb about ARC Genesis

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...ction-software


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Good news!! I can get rid of that Bootcamp partition I have on my MacBook from when I ran ARC. I wonder if the iOS app will also be updated. I was going to buy the calibrated mic for the iOS app, but if the new ARC won't be supported on iOS, I won't bother.

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The updated ARC Genesis software was previewed at the Integrated Systems Europe (ISE) show that opened today in Amsterdam and will be available for free download at anthmeav.com in the spring. The ARC Mobile app for iOS and Android devices will also be upgraded to include the new processing.

Read more at https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...urJQsMDdHJc.99


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It's up on anthems website now.

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It's up on anthems website now.

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And you can input your email to be notified when available. Of course, Anthem has never notified me of anything. Good thing I have you guys.


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And you can input your email to be notified when available. Of course, Anthem has never notified me of anything. Good thing I have you guys.


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Hi all, sorry for my bad English.
I have a strange problem. I think My Avr 520 mixes the sound effects. The problem is, the movie sound effects which supposed to be through fronts speakers, I feel that I hear them through surround. All the serious sound effects coming from the back. My hdmi cable is new, I have dp-ub820 bluray players and Ps4 Pro. I have tried them all with the same movie.
Or there is no problem, but maybe my hearing is the problem.
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Hi all, sorry for my bad English.
I have a strange problem. I think My Avr 520 mixes the sound effects. The problem is, the movie sound effects which supposed to be through fronts speakers, I feel that I hear them through surround. All the serious sound effects coming from the back. My hdmi cable is new, I have dp-ub820 bluray players and Ps4 Pro. I have tried them all with the same movie.
Or there is no problem, but maybe my hearing is the problem.
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Did u run the speaker channel (level) check to ensure all 5.1 channels are in order? 520 shouldn’t be too hard to get it right since there is no Dolby Atmos implementation. Did you enable any form of DSP modes?



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Did u run the speaker channel (level) check to ensure all 5.1 channels are in order? 520 shouldn’t be too hard to get it right since there is no Dolby Atmos implementation. Did you enable any form of DSP modes?



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Thanks for your input,
No, I didn’t enable any thing but I will check that.
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Looks like the Anthem Statement D2v /3D and earlier ARC-capable processors will not be supported by the new ARC Genesis. Basically anything that used RS232 for the ARC setup connection is out of luck.
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Looks like the Anthem Statement D2v /3D and earlier ARC-capable processors will not be supported by the new ARC Genesis. Basically anything that used RS232 for the ARC setup connection is out of luck.
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I’d be surprised if you can. The new software has to know the characteristics of each supported Anthem product. If these older units are not included, the software won’t be able to calculate a solution for that older hardware. It’s not just a communication problem, is what I mean.
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I’d be surprised if you can. The new software has to know the characteristics of each supported Anthem product. If these older units are not included, the software won’t be able to calculate a solution for that older hardware. It’s not just a communication problem, is what I mean.
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Finally i am back in the home theater fun. Had a few years where i didn't have a receiver but i kept my speakers.
Just picked up a Anthem 720 and a Oppo 203. I forgot how much fun it really is to watch a movie again. I can't wait to start looking through this thread for any tips.
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How are you guys calibrating dual subwoofers on arc? I did a quick measure on each sub separately set the gain to produce 75 DB on each sub independently. My left subwoofer is not corner loaded so the gain is set higher than the corner loaded sub. Then I ran arc. Seems to be a lot better than it was before. Filled in the spot that was directional or more biased to the corner loaded sub. Made my bass sound even and full. I am still not satisfied with the output. Sould I turn up the gains some more or just use the level settings. I find myself adjusting the level to +7

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How are you guys calibrating dual subwoofers on arc? I did a quick measure on each sub separately set the gain to produce 75 DB on each sub independently. My left subwoofer is not corner loaded so the gain is set higher than the corner loaded sub. Then I ran arc. Seems to be a lot better than it was before. Filled in the spot that was directional or more biased to the corner loaded sub. Made my bass sound even and full. I am still not satisfied with the output. Sould I turn up the gains some more or just use the level settings. I find myself adjusting the level to +7

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I calibrate each sub to 70dB separately. Then their combined output is 75dB. Then I run ARC and check that the sub level is on the negative side of 0. I run my subs 5dB hot so I like to get my sub level in my MRX at around -8 and then add 5dB to get it at -3. That gives me plenty of headroom and I’m not over driving the sub signal by being on the + side of 0. Being a little on the plus side of 0 isn’t bad but +7 is a lot and doesn’t leave any headroom.

I’d turn down the gain a bit on each sub and level match them again and run ARC and see if you can get on the negative side of 0.
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It’s great news! I too was going to buy the calibrated mic but probably won’t now that I can use my MacBook. I’m sure they will update the app too. I’m not impressed with ARC mobile compared to the mic.

Send Anthem an email, they’re very responsive to questions.


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Are you planning on using the built-in macbook microphone to take 15Hz-20kHz measurements in your room?
I was referring to the 3.5mm Anthem calibrated mic that's used with the iPhone/iPad app. I'm assuming the current usb microphone I have will work with my MacBook Pro.

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How are you guys calibrating dual subwoofers on arc? I did a quick measure on each sub separately set the gain to produce 75 DB on each sub independently. My left subwoofer is not corner loaded so the gain is set higher than the corner loaded sub. Then I ran arc. Seems to be a lot better than it was before. Filled in the spot that was directional or more biased to the corner loaded sub. Made my bass sound even and full. I am still not satisfied with the output. Sould I turn up the gains some more or just use the level settings. I find myself adjusting the level to +7

I turn the subs up as high as I can to the point where ARC complains they are too loud, then I back them off, tick by tick until ARC is happy. I found that if I set them up for a combined 75dB (about 72dB each), ARC would end up putting a fair amount of positive trim in. There a decent range that ARC finds acceptable, from too low in my opinion to nice and high. By cranking them to the level of bare tolerance, ARC will put in some negative trim. I'm more likely to raise it than lower it, so I just prefer it that way. Once ARC is done with it's part, I then turn the sub volumes up by 3dB on the sub. Yeah, I could just put the +3 in on the trim levels too, but this is just the way I do it. Dunno, maybe I'm telling myself I get more headroom that way.
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Is anyone else concerned about the fact that the phase alignment feature, which they call a major advancement (and which Dirac performs today) is limited to the STR line? Is it a processing power issue or a marketing one? The MRX 720 and 1120 are not exactly inexpensive.


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Opinion needed:


I have a 5.1.4 setup and usage is mainly movies with higher sensitivity speakers (Hsu and Klipsch).



If the choice was between a 720 + a two channel amp (around $2300 total) vs. an 1120 (around $2300 total) vs. an avm 60 + two 5 channel amps (around $3000 total)...what would be the best route when taking price into account?



All prices are considering used offerings currently available that I can find. I'm stuck on if the AVM pre/pro would offer much audible difference vs the MRX's. And if the MRX is the route to go if the internal amps of the 1120 would be more than enough (I am currently running a Yamaha RXA2060 and don't have power issues with my usage)



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I have a 5.1.4 setup and usage is mainly movies with higher sensitivity speakers (Hsu and Klipsch).



If the choice was between a 720 + a two channel amp (around $2300 total) vs. an 1120 (around $2300 total) vs. an avm 60 + two 5 channel amps (around $3000 total)...what would be the best route when taking price into account?



All prices are considering used offerings currently available that I can find. I'm stuck on if the AVM pre/pro would offer much audible difference vs the MRX's. And if the MRX is the route to go if the internal amps of the 1120 would be more than enough (I am currently running a Yamaha RXA2060 and don't have power issues with my usage)



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Multi-sub calibration with ARC

[QUOTE=Norris Kasey;57560284]How are you guys calibrating dual subwoofers on arc? I did a quick measure on each sub separately set the gain to produce 75 DB on each sub independently. My left subwoofer is not corner loaded so the gain is set higher than the corner loaded sub. Then I ran arc. Seems to be a lot better than it was before. Filled in the spot that was directional or more biased to the corner loaded sub. Made my bass sound even and full. I am still not satisfied with the output. Sould I turn up the gains some more or just use the level settings. I find myself adjusting the level to +7

I level match each of 4 subs to 75db. Then I adjust gain on each sub that is closer than the furthest one, getting as close to 81 with each combination as possible. The best I can achieve with all 4 subs in my room is 85.8db. I then run ARC. It complains that my sub is 15db too high. I tell it to ignore and proceed. ARC then sets my subs to -8. I raise the volume in each sub by 6. Only occasionally do I have to lower the sub trim by -2.

Incidentally, I posted the following on the AVM60 thread. I'll try it here since it is the more active.

Ran into weird circumstance. Level matched 4 sealed subs and phase matched them at 15'. ARC showed perfection in subs. REW showed a 7 db null at 50hz. Changing sub distance to 11' fixed the problem. When I then tried phase adjustment with the Anthem set to 11', only got an additional 10.2 db going from 1 to 4. However, at 15' setting, got 10.8 db. When I ran ARC with the 11' phase settings, the results were poor. So, adjusted phase at 15', ran ARC, change sub distance to 11'.
REW now shows a 7 db rise from 20 hz down to 10hz. From 20-80hz, +/-3.
Very happy with results. Just don't understand reasons or process.
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I've had some similar experiences with just one sealed sub. I sure it doesnt help because my mains are ported. Regardless, I have to modify distance when arc is enabled. I think this could be due to additional processing delay but I would suspect it is also due to ARC not implemeting distance/delay phase correction in it's filters and the natural room gain and frequency response of the speakers.. Without ARC the natural -3db roll off's are not aligned and are most likely not exactly meshing at 12db/ocatave or 24db/octave. When you enable it it is correcting the frequency response to follow the curve reducing frequency overlap. From my measurements I have also noticed that the phase is effected by the ARC filters.

With ARC off, I have measured with REW and set all my distance and crossovers at 80hz and have adjusted my sub's eq and phase for the smoothest repsone. I also do an acoustic measure to veirfy distances of all the speakers relative to the center channel. Then go back and fine tune the phase etc.. All is good.

Then when i run ARC to do it's magic, I notice that a post REW measurement show a lull in the bass response around the crossover points. Mains distances are still right on but I have to then add about 3-5 feet to the sub to get it back in timing with the fronts, which smooths the response back and fixes the mid bass. I have found this gives me the best response. It is troublesome and I have run ARC and REW numerous times. I've tried it numerous ways with LFE bypassing the sub phase and x over controls and also with controls on and phase 0,90,180 to find the best response. I have also just left the physically measured distances of 14' and it is always still off after arc is run. At the moment in my room I have my sub at 90 phase, 80hz/24db with a peq on distance is physically measured at 14' to the main position but i have it set at 20'. I found that my distance is less when I'm closer to 0 phase with the fronts only, but in my room get a smoother overall response about 1-2db i with the phase at 90 when all the channels are going.

I think your process is good and similar to mine but with more subs. If it were me, I would use the average distance of all the subs as a starting distance. I recommend tuning each sub individually with arc off then gain level phase match them to 75db prior to running arc with all subs active. Then post arc increase the sub level in the anthem 5db, or gain level match all subs to 80db if your response is relativly flat prior to running ARC. The reason for this is to keep the eq trim in a tighter window of +/- 10db in it's filters. The ARC measurement mic also is very sensitive and it's probably telling you to decrease since your peaks might be close to it's max spl clipping level which I would guess is somewhere around 95-100db. Then when your done do a final level and distance tweak.

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