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post #7351 of 7909 Old 05-06-2019, 08:43 PM
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Are you by any chance running a mix of XLR and RCA connections? There is a 6dB difference in output gain between the 2. I'm running my front LCR via XLR and all other 6 channels via RCA and there is a very noticeable volume difference between them when running the sweeps. Was the same for me for both ARC and Genesis.
i'm running XLR for all of them. There's a noticeable difference in the sweeps from my side surrounds and back surrounds.

And my speaker levels are +1 and +2 on the sides, and +10 for the rears as a result.

Sounds great, but Genesis is a very different animal than ARC2.

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The attached PDF compares a much earlier ARC 2 measurement and the applied EQ for two speakers in my system, Lss and Height1 L, vs the recent Genesis data. I could not do the L/C/R as they are now different speakers.

I'm not 100% sure the 5 mic locations are identical, or even the furniture, but it looks like the older ARC2 measurement has a little bit moew smoothing and hence the applied EQ has a bit less detail. They are not vastly different, though. Would require a much more controlled comparison to really probe the differences.
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3. After running Genesis, it set my subwoofer level to 0 on the computer. However, on the Anthem 60 menu, it shows as +2. Why would this be different?
Is the room gain approx 2 dB?
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Is the room gain approx 2 dB?
Yes, it is, which would explain it. But the first time I ran Genesis i had he exact same room gain, and it didn't have that difference.

But that would make sense.

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So bit the bullet, and did the Genesis calibration today and I got some very odd results. Or at least to me they seem very odd.

I have Paradigm Premier 800F towers connected to the MRX 720 and for my center I have a monitor v7. Interesingly enough when I run Genesis in auto mode, it calculate the cutoff for my towers at 180HZ, yet for the center (and my atmos ceiling speakers) it has it at 80HZ. I am wondering for those that are finding that it is leaving a hollow/thin sound, is the auto calibration doing the same. I also have seen in the bass management setup menu, that the subwoofer LPF for LFE is set to 120HZ.

I have since ran other target profiles setting the crossover at 80/60/40HZ for the fronts, and to my ears, it is considerably more full sounding. Does it make sense that the initial auto settings would be finding the towers at a 180HZ crossover?
Doesn't make sense to me, I had ARC set my S8s at 120Hz once and I had to move them a few more inches away from the front wall to achieve 60Hz. That said, contact Anthem, they will ask for your calibration results and figure out if there is an issue somewhere (with the software or whatever).

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Can the FW upgrade be done via WIFI on Anthem MRX1120 because my HT is down in the basement faraway from the modem.


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You don't need network for FW upgrade. You need USB flash drive.

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I am having issues with play-fi in critical listening mode on qobuz. If I stream music thats 192 quality I get alot of drop outs.
I also have a problem with 176.4/24 and 192/24.
96/24 and 88.2/24 work great, but 176.4/24 and 192/24 are totally unusable. I'm using only UPnP.

It's the same situation with ethernet and Wi-Fi connection. I've tried 3-4 different routers and mobile phones (Android).

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I also have a problem with 176.4/24 and 192/24.

96/24 and 88.2/24 work great, but 176.4/24 and 192/24 are totally unusable. I'm using only UPnP.



It's the same situation with ethernet and Wi-Fi connection. I've tried 3-4 different routers and mobile phones (Android).
Were they working well in ARC2.0?

I was never able to play those format in critical mode, only able to play in normal listening mode.

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The problem is not related with ARC. I don't use ARC for Hi-Fi / critical listening.

In normal mode everything is resampled.

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The problem is not related with ARC. I don't use ARC for Hi-Fi / critical listening.
Hi Delija, Im not challenging you or your preference in any way, so please don't take this question as such. But I'm curious to know why you prefer 'critical listening' sessions without ARC? Is there something it does that you don't like? or do you simply have a great room setup with good acoustic treatment and it's therefore not required?

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I don't use arc on music as well. For me it sounds better without.

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I don't use arc on music as well. For me it sounds better without.
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Are you guys running subs? ...multi-subs?
Before ARC I did find that I preferred no correction for two-channel music when not running subs, or when using other correction systems. But since ARC, I have found 2.2 for music better than anything I had experienced before, which has been a very pleasant surprise. Hence my curiosity.

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Are you guys running subs? ...multi-subs?
Before ARC I did find that I preferred no correction for two-channel music when not running subs, or when using other correction systems. But since ARC, I have found 2.2 for music better than anything I had experienced before, which has been a very pleasant surprise. Hence my curiosity.
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Hi Delija, Im not challenging you or your preference in any way, so please don't take this question as such. But I'm curious to know why you prefer 'critical listening' sessions without ARC? Is there something it does that you don't like? or do you simply have a great room setup with good acoustic treatment and it's therefore not required?
For surround, ARC is more than great.
I use it limited to 300 Hz. My center and surround channels benefit from correction and ARC blends the whole surround system perfectly.
Unfortunately, even Genesis doesn't give us an option to turn off ARC for front channels and keep it on for all other.

For stereo, good room optimization system, like ARC and Dirac, could also be pretty good. In fact, in many systems they will sound better than without it.
But, when someone invest in good system and put some additional effort for system optimization, results can be better.


In my system it's pretty simple - Hi-Fi / stereo music sounds better without ARC.
Details, resolution, clarity, dynamics, soundstage... Everything. It's pretty obvious.

Digital filters introduced by ARC affect the sound, even when they are limited to lower frequency range.
That's not an issue only with ARC, of course. Dirac is in the same boat. Not to mention Audyssey - much worse.

I've already explained this in more details:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...l#post57488678

In the meantime, I've worked on my subwoofers optimization and stereo speakers positioning and now everything sounds even better.
These graphs are without ARC. Graphs are not calibrated to 75 dB.






Now with Genesis we can create better house/Harman curve (combination of Room Gain and Deep Bass Boost), but there are still some important tweaks which cannot be done just using ARC.
E.g., even for movies, small "boost" in FR around 63 Hz is very welcome - you can see it on the graph above. For music, it's almost crucial - it gives it "punch". You cannot do that with ARC without additional PEQs. So, even after ARC, I have to tune my surround preset (movies, concerts...) on subwoofers. Dirac still has more flexibility.


Last but not least...

Pretty much can be seen from FR measurements (including waterfall, RTA, RT60...), especially in lower frequencies, but still - it's very important to understand that often better looking graph is not better sounding!
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So bit the bullet, and did the Genesis calibration today and I got some very odd results. Or at least to me they seem very odd.

I have Paradigm Premier 800F towers connected to the MRX 720 and for my center I have a monitor v7. Interesingly enough when I run Genesis in auto mode, it calculate the cutoff for my towers at 180HZ, yet for the center (and my atmos ceiling speakers) it has it at 80HZ. I am wondering for those that are finding that it is leaving a hollow/thin sound, is the auto calibration doing the same. I also have seen in the bass management setup menu, that the subwoofer LPF for LFE is set to 120HZ.

I have since ran other target profiles setting the crossover at 80/60/40HZ for the fronts, and to my ears, it is considerably more full sounding. Does it make sense that the initial auto settings would be finding the towers at a 180HZ crossover?
You're not alone. I ran Genesis and it set the crossovers for my front speakers at 250hz. My fronts are GE Triton2+ with FR down to (measured) 20 or so Hz in my room. I'm not sure, but looking at the graphs showed a large null around 200 or so that I guess the filters didn't want to correct for. I had more Db at 40 hz than 140. I have since slightly changed the positioning of the speakers and turned the amplifiers down to 30 percent or so (from 50) and after re-running Genesis, the crossovers were set at 80. I was using the auto/quick (non advanced) program. I can live happily with 80 hz (same as my rear speakers, Triton 7s) and am thrilled with the results over Arc2. Like others have mentioned, Genesis set my levels about 6db higher compared with Arc2.
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Yes, I use 2x SVS SB16-Ultra.
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For surround, ARC is more than great.
I use it limited to 300 Hz. My center and surround channels benefit from correction and ARC blends the whole surround system perfectly.
Unfortunately, even Genesis doesn't give us an option to turn off ARC for front channels and keep it on for all other.

For stereo, good room optimization system, like ARC and Dirac, could also be pretty good. In fact, in many systems they will sound better than without it.
But, when someone invest in good system and put some additional effort for system optimization, results can be better.


In my system it's pretty simple - Hi-Fi / stereo music sounds better without ARC.
Details, resolution, clarity, dynamics, soundstage... Everything. It's pretty obvious.

Digital filters introduced by ARC affect the sound, even when they are limited to lower frequency range.
That's not an issue only with ARC, of course. Dirac is in the same boat. Not to mention Audyssey - much worse.

I've already explained this in more details:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...l#post57488678

In the meantime, I've worked on my subwoofers optimization and stereo speakers positioning and now everything sounds even better.
These graphs are without ARC. Graphs are not calibrated to 75 dB.

...

Now with Genesis we can create better house/Harman curve (combination of Room Gain and Deep Bass Boost), but there are still some important tweaks which cannot be done just using ARC.
E.g., even for movies, small "boost" in FR around 63 Hz is very welcome - you can see it on the graph above. For music, it's almost crucial - it gives it "punch". You cannot do that with ARC without additional PEQs. So, even after ARC, I have to tune my surround preset (movies, concerts...) on subwoofers. Dirac still has more flexibility.


Last but not least...

Pretty much can be seen from FR measurements (including waterfall, RTA, RT60...), especially in lower frequencies, but still - it's very important to understand that often better looking graph is not better sounding!
Thanks for that Delija, you've clearly put the hard work in to laying down a great foundation!
Based on your response, I'm really looking forward to moving into our new place next month where all my gear will be setup in a dedicated room, optimally positioned and acoustically treated. So I look forward to being able to compare the difference between the ARC on/off options then, when some of the physics is playing more nicely.
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So Anthem is running their 20% off trade up promotion finally.


I'm seriously thinking about a 720, but I worried about how dated it is and I worry this is the year they finally release a new line since it's been 4 years.


So do I take advantage of this rare discount, or wait and pay more, but get something more up to date?
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So Anthem is running their 20% off trade up promotion finally.


I'm seriously thinking about a 720, but I worried about how dated it is and I worry this is the year they finally release a new line since it's been 4 years.


So do I take advantage of this rare discount, or wait and pay more, but get something more up to date?
I just took advantage of the promotion and ordered a 720. I have had a 520 the last two years and just don't want to be w/out ARC, especially since they added in custom curves. My main complaint with ARC2 was that I felt I could never get the most out of my subs for HT since I enjoy running them slightly hot for movies. Even after tweaking room gain and some other settings on ARC, I felt slightly dissatisfied in that one area. In terms of soundstage cohesion and panning, though, it was stellar, which is why I wanted to stay with Anthem when going to an Atmos rig, which is what I'm putting together currently.

But I basically didn't see anything else out there that a new model would offer that the 720 doesn't. One possible exception would be Auro 3D, but since Anthem told me they have no plans for this codec on future models anyway, so I'm pretty sure Atmos/Dolby Surround/DTS:X/DTS:Neural will be plenty for my needs.

I mainly love how Anthem just focuses on quality gear, and not slamming the thing full of all sorts of features that I'll never have any interest in using. For Audio quality and room correction, it's a pretty tough package to beat, IMO.
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If you want to hear Genesis shine, drop in your Fury atmos disc. The bass improvements are definitive.
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So do I take advantage of this rare discount, or wait and pay more, but get something more up to date?

Actually, this discount isn't as rare you might think. Anthem had this same Trade-up program last year around this time, and if I'm not mistaken, the year before as well (maybe going back even further). I'd be surprised if the same promotion wasn't offered again next year.
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Anthem, thanks for the MacOS finally very pleased with the sound of the eq results.. I think I nailed it with my third profile. Really liking the granularity professional gives to set indpendent levels and eq's. I really dig the targets for house curve too. My room appears to be settled on room 3db gain, center of 150hz, deep bass boost of 3db @ 20hz, tilt of -3db @ 1000hz
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I have a brand new Anthem 1120 and a new Sony 950G 65'' TV.
The specs on the Anthem say Dolby Vision compatible. I have been watching a lot of shows that say Dolby Vision but they don't look any better than non Dolby Vision show. Is there an update on the Anthem to enable Dolby Vision. Thanks
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Hi Doug, I'm using Harmony Elite with MRX720, works great! ...I doubt Logitech have different codes for certain remotes, but perhaps it worth trying the Harmony One again with a completely fresh setup from scratch to ensure you have the latest codes loaded?

Let us know how you get on!
Hi @joeyndoug

Just got my unit back from repair and found that indeed there was an issue with switching inputs from a power-off state with the Harmony remote.
By default the Harmony power-on delay settings are defaulted to 2-seconds, which is not enough time to wait before sending the input code.
The fix is to extend the power-on delay.... I have now set it to 8 seconds, which works well. You may be able to make it a second or two quicker ...I didn't try.

You can change the power-on-delay by doing the following:
*I did this in the MyHarmony software on PC... may be slightly different via other means

select: Devices
choose: (your Anthem device)
select: Change Device Settings
Select: Device Delay Settings
press: Next
select: Power-On-Delay ...set to 8 seconds
press: Finish
press: Sync
Follow instructions on syncing your remote

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Test Platform 1 (Main Network):
Router/Gateway: Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite-3
Switch: SMC GS2410 - unmanaged
WAP: Ubiquiti AP-AC-PRO

Test Platform 2: ASUS AC86U

Test Platform 3: Linksys WRT54G



I do use POE to power Ubiquiti WAP

I actually just placed an order for a Ubiquiti US-24-250W managed POE+ switch... as we moving into new house in a month with a fair few POE devices going in. Hope that wasn't a bad move in this case!?



So I tried different cables last night, didn't appear to make a difference

Couldn't get Spotify to work and internet connection access is required and only my Ubiquiti network has that, which is the most problematic of the three platforms.

Full factory reset, didn't resolve anything either.

Another fun fact from my testing last night. I used ARC file upload (post factory reset), to get system back up and running and is also a great way to stress-test the network comms to MRX. Upload failed twice going through the ASUS AC86U router and was extremely slow. However, the Linksys WRT54G router was super fast and completed first time!?!? .... So I left it connected overnight with MRX in standby to see if it would hold-up. Unfortunately the comms had dropped by the morning... that's with just whatever comms would have taken place between router and MRX while idling... so not a promising sign.

I have one of our super-techs from work coming around tonight to poke at it. He will be bringing an array of switches, routers and cabling from basic gear to Cisco SG350's. So that'll be fun

If all this fails, our NZ distributor has suggested getting it to their service agent, as they believe we have exhausted all testing avenues within reason and it could well be a faulty NIC

Which reminds me, any idea why playFi shows itself as a separate wired IP Address? ...it's like there's a two port switch behind the NIC?

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Hi Guys, Just letting this thread know that I received my MRX720 back yesterday from repair. They replaced the board containing the NIC and I'm happy to report everything is working beautifully on the network front. Can run ARC via WiFi, use PlayFi etc...

Thanks everyone that helped diagnosing issues, much appreciated! ....Happy Ending!
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I have a brand new Anthem 1120 and a new Sony 950G 65'' TV.
The specs on the Anthem say Dolby Vision compatible. I have been watching a lot of shows that say Dolby Vision but they don't look any better than non Dolby Vision show. Is there an update on the Anthem to enable Dolby Vision. Thanks
Hello,
The 1120 is pass through video only. There is no video processing. Any issues you are experiencing with your video is your Sony. The MRX does pass Dolby Vision and DTS HD.
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Hi Guys, Just letting this thread know that I received my MRX720 back yesterday from repair. They replaced the board containing the NIC and I'm happy to report everything is working beautifully on the network front. Can run ARC via WiFi, use PlayFi etc...

Thanks everyone that helped diagnosing issues, much appreciated! ....Happy Ending!
Congrats on getting your 720 back. It's never fun to have to do this kind of thing but on the plus side, it's good to see Anthem stand behind their warranty -- a big deal on products at this price point. Unfortunately I am now in the boat you vacated. My AVM 60 is headed to Anthem for a networking repair, perhaps for the same issue you had. It's expected to take about a month. I'll try not to whine about it too much here.

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I have a brand new Anthem 1120 and a new Sony 950G 65'' TV.
The specs on the Anthem say Dolby Vision compatible. I have been watching a lot of shows that say Dolby Vision but they don't look any better than non Dolby Vision show. Is there an update on the Anthem to enable Dolby Vision. Thanks
As HeffeMusic called out, video should be a pass-thru. Just a thought... Have you tried directly connecting your video source to your TV to see if Dolby Vision is working? Maybe there's some config issue that has nothing to do with the Anthem gear? Also, are you using only certified high speed HDMI cables along the entire video path?
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I have a brand new Anthem 1120 and a new Sony 950G 65'' TV.
The specs on the Anthem say Dolby Vision compatible. I have been watching a lot of shows that say Dolby Vision but they don't look any better than non Dolby Vision show. Is there an update on the Anthem to enable Dolby Vision. Thanks
In addition to the other suggestions, if it came from dealer stock, rather than fresh from Anthem, check you are up to date on the firmware. Dolby Vision passthrough support was added in v13079_2017_08_03.fw
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The 1120 is pass through video only. There is no video processing. Any issues you are experiencing with your video is your Sony. The MRX does pass Dolby Vision and DTS HD.
Thanks for your answer. I need to check settings for Sony. I hope there is a setting for Dolby Vision
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