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post #7891 of 8308 Old 06-17-2019, 03:52 PM
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I'm helping someone who is using the Official Genesis release, on a Mac, with an AVM 60.

He's noticed what APPEARS to be the "Clipping" bug that is supposedly fixed in the Beta release. But the release notes for the Beta suggest that bug can only manifest on the 720 and 1120 (and dependent on content).

Has anyone else spotted this bug on the AVM 60?
It was the beta Genesis 1.1.0 (8909) that fixed the distortion problems I was experiencing after the 1.0 release when ARC was active in the AVM 60. Ran it on a 2011 MacBook Pro.

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Ok so this is the exact issue I am having on the updated version. I get clipping in the tweeters at any volume level when I correct up to 20khz it's more noticeable. 5k I notice it but have to be really critically listening to hear it. I uploaded a correction file I made from the initial release using the updated software and it sounds normal even up to 20khz correction. I am using Windows 10
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It was the beta Genesis 1.1.0 (8909) that fixed the distortion problems I was experiencing after the 1.0 release when ARC was active in the AVM 60. Ran it on a 2011 MacBook Pro.
Gotcha, so the bug -- and fix -- are not limited to the MRX models.

Apparently a workaround (without moving to the Beta) is to lower Max EQ? So it's not simply faulty math in the basic speaker level settings?
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Apparently a workaround (without moving to the Beta) is to lower Max EQ? So it's not simply faulty math in the basic speaker level settings?
I was not able to get a good result with the variations I tried in ether speaker level or correction responses. YMMV. There was something clearly broken that they fixed.

Best idea is to use the latest Genesis possible.

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I have tried my AVM60 and macbook pro with the official release from the website, the beta release and a June 13 .8972 release and continue to get the "critical audio issue". Also dld'd new .cal file for my mic. The log file shows an error of too much background noise, but there's nothing else happening in the house when I try to run Genesys.

Interestingly, on an old Windows desktop it ran first time, same mic, same house, same background noise (or lack thereof).

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The symptom for me was that when using my DirecTV, I would intermittently get loud pops through my 1120 when changing channels or FF/REW on a recording. It only happened with multichannel signals. Wasted day of testing but sorted it out:



Problem: Dolby Volume

Solution: shut it off



The problem did not occur for my other inputs (ROKU, OPPO, etc.) So I left Dolby Volume on, but I nuked it for my TV. It seems those inputs have a brief silent period at transition and are not susceptible to whatever bug there is in the Anthem implementation.


Never ever enable Dolby Volume for anything. It only adds more problem than it fix.


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I would have thought better of Anthem if they had the balls to call this what it is, a 70 watt per channel receiver. It would be nice to see a little honesty with the specifications.

Sound and Vision also tested the NAD T758 a 60 watt by five channel receiver, according to NAD. It put out 86 watts with 5 channels driven continuously (0.1%) into 8 ohms.


NAD is the only brand that advertise true power rating from what I have gathered. You must have seen or come across the recent push by Gene from Audioholics to get the manufacturers to advertise their power rating in a “more conservative and accurate” manner rather than inflating the figures out of proportion.

But that aside, Anthem MRX AVR with the new ARC GENESIS is really something else.


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This is the first thing that I see when I go to the Anthem site and click on the MRX 720:

MRX 720

11.2 Pre-Amp / 7 Amplifier Channel A/V receiver with Dolby Atmos and DTS:X. 140 watts per channel continuous power into 8 ohms. Includes ARC (Anthem Room Correction).



This is as far as I read when I ordered the 720. It looked to me like Anthem was advertising the 720 as a 7 channel 140 watt per channel receiver. It was not until I took a look at the detailed specs that I noticed that they make no power claims other than 2 channels driven.

I would have ordered it if they had called it a 70 watt by 5 channel receiver. Anthem did not have to make it look like I was buying a 140 watt unit.



I am hoping that ARC in the 720 will be a noticeable improvement over Audyssey XT32.

I was very disappointed with DIRAC live in the NAD. I found Audyssey to sound much better in my room.

I assured you that ARC Genesis is much better compared to Audyssey (I’m have a big time proponent of Audyssey for the last 7yrs). But I certainly did not expect to hear from you that Dirac Live actually sounded worse compared to Audyssey. You must get the full Dirac Suite to reap the full benefits and the learning curve to modify settings to suit your listening needs is another strong aspect of Dirac. But if you simply want a one stop solution (much like Audyssey), then ARC Genesis will for the bill.



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Can the MRX 1120 support eARC or HDMI 2.1? If not, should that be a deal breaker?
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Can the MRX 1120 support eARC or HDMI 2.1? If not, should that be a deal breaker?
I don't know what eARC is, so it's not a deal breaker for me.
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Can the MRX 1120 support eARC or HDMI 2.1? If not, should that be a deal breaker?
No, it cannot support it.
We'll need a new generation for that.


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Anyone else notice this?

While toying around with my system, something has become clear about Genesis.

Dolby Surround GREATLY benefited from Genesis. With ARC-2 before, DSU was more about spaciousness and atmosphere, while DTS Neural X was more about aggressive discrete sound effects.

Now, I'm finding DSU to be about being both spaciousness AND more aggressive with discrete sound. Neural X seems to be the same as before.

The height channels are way more active now with DSU.
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Can the MRX 1120 support eARC or HDMI 2.1? If not, should that be a deal breaker?
HDMI 2.1 is not really a thing yet. No receivers have it to my knowledge, and we are years from it mattering anyway.

I think it has eARC, but I'm not positive because I don't use it.

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I finally got my MCA 225 which I am trying to use with MRX 520. I used MCA 225 as my front and was trying to use Parasound A23 for my center/surround using the Pre-out. But when I ran the ARC genesis, it is not recognizing the center or surround sound when i hook them to the 2nd amplifier from the Pre-out. Do you know if there is any thing i need to do if i had to add 2nd amplifier?
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I finally got my MCA 225 which I am trying to use with MRX 520. I used MCA 225 as my front and was trying to use Parasound A23 for my center/surround using the Pre-out. But when I ran the ARC genesis, it is not recognizing the center or surround sound when i hook them to the 2nd amplifier from the Pre-out. Do you know if there is any thing i need to do if i had to add 2nd amplifier?
In the Genesis speaker configuration, are the center and surrounds turned ON? Have you checked that the Parasound is turned completely ON and not in auto sensing or triggered positions? If you do have all channels selected in Genesis and you get no output for any channels using amps, first thing to check is signal connections, then speaker connections, then making sure the amp is not in standby instead of ON.

Also curious...the A23 is a 2-channel amp. When you are trying to use it for your center channel, are you just using one of the channels or using it in Bridged mode? Make sure the A23 is configured properly for whatever way your are using it.

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Also try connecting the MCA225 to the RCAs on the MRX and see if you get sound. That should prove the RCA preamp outputs are working on the MRX.

The A23 also has loop output RCAs right next to the RCA inputs. Make sure RCA are connected to the inputs. I know some of these things sound basic and stupid, but we've all been behind a dark rack trying to make connections and have made incorrect connections.
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Also try connecting the MCA225 to the RCAs on the MRX and see if you get sound. That should prove the RCA preamp outputs are working on the MRX.

The A23 also has loop output RCAs right next to the RCA inputs. Make sure RCA are connected to the inputs. I know some of these things sound basic and stupid, but we've all been behind a dark rack trying to make connections and have made incorrect connections.
Thank You so much for your input. I will run those test and will you know. I did see during ARC Genesis that those speakers showed up and also i was using Parasound as my main amplifier for my front before replacing with MC225. But i will see if the center and surround are working with MC 225 or A23. Also I was just using as one channel for center with A23. I wanted to do bi-amp but could not due to wires.
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Think tank help!

For anybody knowledgeable about Anthem I would like to request your input.

My 1120 is outputting a signal fine to my projector. However, all my HDMI inputs keep getting a 'no signal' message. I have tried different connections to no avail.

Any ideas to what is happening?
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Think tank help!

For anybody knowledgeable about Anthem I would like to request your input.

My 1120 is outputting a signal fine to my projector. However, all my HDMI inputs keep getting a 'no signal' message. I have tried different connections to no avail.

Any ideas to what is happening?
A little more info may be needed. When you say your 1120 is outputting a signal fine to your PJ, are you saying this because you are getting the Anthem menu display on your PJ? That verifies a solid mechanical HDMI/PJ cable connection.

For the HDMI inputs going to your 1120, are you saying you do not get any video passed to your PJ from any of your devices that are connected via HDMI to the 1120? The front panel display on the 1120 says "No Signal"? Do you get any sound from these input devices?

From my experience, generally the No Signal has indicated that the source devices did not complete the HDMI handshake with the Anthem, possibly because of the order in which they were powered on.

Maybe try turning off everything. Then power up just your source devices. Then power up the Anthem. See if it still says No Signal.
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A little more info may be needed. When you say your 1120 is outputting a signal fine to your PJ, are you saying this because you are getting the Anthem menu display on your PJ? That verifies a solid mechanical HDMI/PJ cable connection.

For the HDMI inputs going to your 1120, are you saying you do not get any video passed to your PJ from any of your devices that are connected via HDMI to the 1120? The front panel display on the 1120 says "No Signal"? Do you get any sound from these input devices?

From my experience, generally the No Signal has indicated that the source devices did not complete the HDMI handshake with the Anthem, possibly because of the order in which they were powered on.

Maybe try turning off everything. Then power up just your source devices. Then power up the Anthem. See if it still says No Signal.
Thanks for the response. I apologize my post lacked some details.

I am getting the display menu just fine through my Epson projector including the ability to select individual inputs. On my receiver LCD screen it shows 'no input signal' from all hdmi sources. This includes no sound. I have tried changing to the different hdmi inputs to no avail.

I have powered off everything and powered back on several times with no success. Also tried a soft reset on the anthem.
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Try pulling the HDMI cable to the projector and plug it back up. Sometimes I get handshake issues and this fixes it

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Are you guys experimenting with the bass boost in Genesis? If so how many DB are you going up?

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I have just started tweaking some bass boost at the suggestion from other posters with regards to room gain.

Basically on my 2.1 (2subs) measured profile I have decreased the room gain from 6 to 3.5 and I set the bass boost to +3.5 with 60hz set.

Previously Arc 2 had the room gain around 5. I tried room gain at 0 with similar bass boost settings and it wasn't for me but I do like the result with lower room gain and higher bass boost. Room gain seems to add too much across the full spectrum.
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Working now. Thanks all!
That's great! Don't leave us hanging though on what actually fixed the problem.

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Thanks! Very informative.

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HDMI 2.1 is not really a thing yet. No receivers have it to my knowledge, and we are years from it mattering anyway.

I think it has eARC, but I'm not positive because I don't use it.
eARC comes with HDMI 2.1, so...

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Thank You so much for your input. I will run those test and will you know. I did see during ARC Genesis that those speakers showed up and also i was using Parasound as my main amplifier for my front before replacing with MC225. But i will see if the center and surround are working with MC 225 or A23. Also I was just using as one channel for center with A23. I wanted to do bi-amp but could not due to wires.
I got this working. I first hooked up the MC225 as surround and ran the test tones. It was working fine. Then I hooked up and found out that I was using trigger out and it was in Auto. I had switched to ON mode to make it work.

But I could not see a huge difference between using Parasound A23 vs MCA 225 so far even after running ARC. Will give some time to see if there is a significant improvement else return MCA 225
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eARC comes with HDMI 2.1, so...
Ah yes, so why was this asked?

This should be relevant by 2023 or so.

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HDMI 2.1 is not really a thing yet. No receivers have it to my knowledge, and we are years from it mattering anyway.

I think it has eARC, but I'm not positive because I don't use it.
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eARC comes with HDMI 2.1, so...
Some manufacturers have implemented eARC (or a form of it) on top of HDMI 2.0. Denon comes to mind, Sony and others too, seems maybe if the base is HDMI 2.0b, eARC may be possible with a firmware upgrade.

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