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Active or passive hdmi cable also makes no difference in this case. Already tested.

As long as there is a “kill-off” switch to one of the display (usually the projector), you are fine.


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Thanks, So what “exactly” is the technical issue here? Are you suggesting dual monitor out on the 1120 is just plain broken and cannot output to 2 different displays?

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Thanks, So what “exactly” is the technical issue here? Are you suggesting dual monitor out on the 1120 is just plain broken and cannot output to 2 different displays?


Frankly there is no issue here. It is just the way it is implemented for most AVR. We just have to live with the imperfection and find a way to live around this trade off. Unless you want to invest in HDFury or equivalent to do proper EDID switching for the different kind of display with different kind of technical differences. For instance, one display accept 4K but at 30fps instead of 60fps and one with HDR but not the other and the list of non conforming features of 2 different types of display ensues.



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Frankly there is no issue here. It is just the way it is implemented for most AVR. We just have to live with the imperfection and find a way to live around this trade off. Unless you want to invest in HDFury or equivalent to do proper EDID switching for the different kind of display with different kind of technical differences. For instance, one display accept 4K but at 30fps instead of 60fps and one with HDR but not the other and the list of non conforming features of 2 different types of display ensues.



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Thanks, interesting. In this case both my 85” Sony 900F tv and JVC N7 projector have the same 4K HDR capabilities...Both are current 2019 units...

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Hi Steve,

I have two displays, one accepts 4k, the other 2k. I bought a relatively inexpensive splitter from Gofanco that outputs both resolutions simultaneously. The AVM 60 is quite happy with it -- staying in 4k mode whenever the source permits, regardless of which display is on.
Hey Roger.

I actually have a similar unit, albeit without the dip switches.

It does work, although I was hoping not to have to use it when the receiver has two HDMI outputs.

Mine doesn't work feeding the split signal into a 1080P input on a receiver which is why I upgraded to the 520. Any idea if yours does?
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Owner's Thread for Anthem 60, 720 and 1120 Receivers

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I've just picked up a demo MRX-520 for a good price from an authorised dealer.



However, I am having a few HDMI/HDCP issues with Apple TV 4K.



HDMI input 1 doesn't seem to be working for a start. So that is a dealer issue.



But there is also flickering on HMI Input 3.



I've plugged the Apple TV in HDMI 2 and it plays OK. When I turn on my projector into the second HDMI output both outputs downscale to 1080P, as expected. However, when I turn the projector off the output to my TV stays at 1080P. I have to physically unplug the cable to return it to 4K.



Even my POS Emotiva MC700 didn't require physically unplugging the cable.



Is this normal for Anthem?



I have the latest firmware.


Your projector broadcasts it’s EDID even when it is turned off. The 720 sees the EDID and configures it’s output to satisfy both display devices. The HDMI switch mentioned by Roger will simultaneously output 2160 and 1080.


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Dual hdmi outputs from Panasonic ub820

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When I use the video hdmi out from Panasonic ub820 to my projector and audio hdmi out from Panasonic to max 1120 I get no sound. Is the mrx1120 able to do this or does the hdmi cable have to transmit both video and audio? Any suggestions as to why this is not working.
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When I use the video hdmi out from Panasonic ub820 to my projector and audio hdmi out from Panasonic to max 1120 I get no sound. Is the mrx1120 able to do this or does the hdmi cable have to transmit both video and audio? Any suggestions as to why this is not working.
Since the MRX1120 is capable of passing along 4k, just curious why you are using the audio out to the MRX? I have the same receiver and UHD Player with JVC RS1000

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Since the MRX1120 is capable of passing along 4k, just curious why you are using the audio out to the MRX? I have the same receiver and UHD Player with JVC RS1000

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My thinking is that hooking it up that way the video signal is more direct to the projector ie. Doesn’t need to pass thru receiver circuitry before going to projector. Snhould I not worry about that and just send audio and video to the receiver with one hdmi cable?

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My thinking is that hooking it up that way the video signal is more direct to the projector ie. Doesn’t need to pass thru receiver circuitry before going to projector. Snhould I not worry about that and just send audio and video to the receiver with one hdmi cable?



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Yes. The reason the separate output exists is for if your AVR can't handle 4k HDCP 2.2 or HDMI 2.0b

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Hey Roger.

I actually have a similar unit, albeit without the dip switches.

It does work, although I was hoping not to have to use it when the receiver has two HDMI outputs.

Mine doesn't work feeding the split signal into a 1080P input on a receiver which is why I upgraded to the 520. Any idea if yours does?
These "dual HDMI output" AVRs are not really equipped for our needs. It's the video equivalent of typical "dual subwoofer outputs" that cannot adjust delay offsets or EQ individually. So I fortify the AVM 60 with an external HDMI splitter/scaler and the Sub output with a MiniDSP. Might seem clunky but it works seamlessly.

I'm feeding the splitter's "2k" output into the SSP-800 which feeds a 2k display.

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These "dual HDMI output" AVRs are not really equipped for our needs. It's the video equivalent of typical "dual subwoofer outputs" that cannot adjust delay offsets or EQ individually. So I fortify the AVM 60 with an external HDMI splitter/scaler and the Sub output with a MiniDSP. Might seem clunky but it works seamlessly.

I'm feeding the splitter's "2k" output into the SSP-800 which feeds a 2k display.
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Which hdmi splitter are you using if you don’t mind me asking? Also, in my case where I am using both hdmi outputs on mrx1120, one to my 4K projector and one to a 1080 p plasma, could I run an hdmi cable from hdmi out of receiver to splitters input then run hdmi cable from splitters 2k output to my 1080p plasma—-are there any settings in splitter that need to happen for this to work. Thanks.

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Which hdmi splitter are you using if you don’t mind me asking? Also, in my case where I am using both hdmi outputs on mrx1120, one to my 4K projector and one to a 1080 p plasma, could I run an hdmi cable from hdmi out of receiver to splitters input then run hdmi cable from splitters 2k output to my 1080p plasma—-are there any settings in splitter that need to happen for this to work. Thanks.

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Just to clarify I don’t want the splitter in the signal chain of my 4k setup at all. Second hdmi output on receiver will pass 4K content to 4K projector. Just want the splitter on 1080p signal path so I can use both hdmi outputs on my receiver without causing issues. Thanks
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Which hdmi splitter are you using if you don’t mind me asking?
Link: Gofanco.

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Also, in my case where I am using both hdmi outputs on mrx1120, one to my 4K projector and one to a 1080 p plasma, could I run an hdmi cable from hdmi out of receiver to splitters input then run hdmi cable from splitters 2k output to my 1080p plasma—-are there any settings in splitter that need to happen for this to work. Thanks.
Yes and yes. See the user manual to see the EDID setting options. I think the factory default is already correct for your case. I am using a different setting because I want lossless audio to feed the 2k output (SSP-800). Normally not an issue when feeding just a display.

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Just to clarify I don’t want the splitter in the signal chain of my 4k setup at all.
Why is that? It's just passing data through.

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Second hdmi output on receiver will pass 4K content to 4K projector. Just want the splitter on 1080p signal path so I can use both hdmi outputs on my receiver without causing issues.
In theory, if both HDMI outputs of the Anthem are feeding same display types, it should work. But it seems not always depending on when power is switched off for one display is might disrupt the output for the other, as @asharma mentioned a few posts ago.
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Link: Gofanco.

Yes and yes. See the user manual to see the EDID setting options. I think the factory default is already correct for your case. I am using a different setting because I want lossless audio to feed the 2k output (SSP-800). Normally not an issue when feeding just a display.

Why is that? It's just passing data through.

In theory, if both HDMI outputs of the Anthem are feeding same display types, it should work. But it seems not always depending on when power is switched off for one display is might disrupt the output for the other, as @asharma mentioned a few posts ago.
With my 4k JVC N7 and 4K Sony 900F, even with my wall switch killing all power to the N7 (ie. no standby) I find its inconsistent if I get tv or not...typically I need to disconnect the pj HDMI from the 1120...I think the solution is direct connect the tv settop to the tv and run optical audio from the tv to avr...that way I only need 1 HDMI monitor out for the projector

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With my 4k JVC N7 and 4K Sony 900F, even with my wall switch killing all power to the N7 (ie. no standby) I find its inconsistent if I get tv or not...typically I need to disconnect the pj HDMI from the 1120...I think the solution is direct connect the tv settop to the tv and run optical audio from the tv to avr...that way I only need 1 HDMI monitor out for the projector
Give that a try. I do something like that for my DirecTV Genie mini, but the S/PDIF audio output and the HDMI video are not well sync'd due to other settings -- just saying that using S/PDIF opens the door to A/V sync offsets, in case it matters.
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Has anyone done any A/B testing between the MRX 1120 and AVM 60?

I'm looking to connect either the MRX or AVM to an external 2-ch amp for driving Paradigm Persona 3Fs.

In this particular 2-ch music scenario (using both as pre-amp), is there any noticeable difference in sound? They are very revealing speakers so if there is a sound quality difference, they will probably identify it.
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Has anyone done any A/B testing between the MRX 1120 and AVM 60?

I'm looking to connect either the MRX or AVM to an external 2-ch amp for driving Paradigm Persona 3Fs.

In this particular 2-ch music scenario (using both as pre-amp), is there any noticeable difference in sound? They are very revealing speakers so if there is a sound quality difference, they will probably identify it.
No, but they have exactly the same processor, so I don't know why it would be different. That is, unless you're trying to play it really loud in a big room, which means you need separate amps perhaps.

I have the AVM60 with an MCA525 amp. A bit of overkill for my situation, but I like having that extra power there.

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No, but they have exactly the same processor, so I don't know why it would be different. That is, unless you're trying to play it really loud in a big room, which means you need separate amps perhaps.

I have the AVM60 with an MCA525 amp. A bit of overkill for my situation, but I like having that extra power there.
I'm told (most likely by people that have not done A/B testing) that the AVM 60 would, in theory, have a lower noise floor, be subject to less electrical interference and cross-talk due to being separate from amp. Output stage may be improved due to XLRs. This may translate to better channel separation, imaging, etc.

This is in theory... In practice, is there really an audible difference?
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I'm close to purchasing a 720 as an upgrade from my Pioneer Elite SC-61 to go to 5.1.4.
Since I will need an outboard amp for one pair of Atmos channels, I bought this: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
What would be needed to connect this amp to the 720?
Also, I have a pair of PSM Alpha A1s for Front Height, would the new PSB Alpha P3 be a good match, or would the NHT SuperZero 2.1 be sufficient (around $100CAD difference)?
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No, but they have exactly the same processor, so I don't know why it would be different. That is, unless you're trying to play it really loud in a big room, which means you need separate amps perhaps.

I have the AVM60 with an MCA525 amp. A bit of overkill for my situation, but I like having that extra power there.
I'm told (most likely by people that have not done A/B testing) that the AVM 60 would, in theory, have a lower noise floor, be subject to less electrical interference and cross-talk due to being separate from amp. Output stage may be improved due to XLRs. This may translate to better channel separation, imaging, etc.

This is in theory... In practice, is there really an audible difference?
If you can do separates, then do separates. Those are all great reasons to do so, audible or not.

Speakers and power amps never really get outdated. That's why I prefer preamps.
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I'm close to purchasing a 720 as an upgrade from my Pioneer Elite SC-61 to go to 5.1.4.
Since I will need an outboard amp for one pair of Atmos channels, I bought this: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
What would be needed to connect this amp to the 720?
Also, I have a pair of PSM Alpha A1s for Front Height, would the new PSB Alpha P3 be a good match, or would the NHT SuperZero 2.1 be sufficient (around $100CAD difference)?
from the description on amazon, Balanced 1/4" TRS and XLR inputs.
so, you'll need a cable with rca on one end (mrx720 preouts) and either 1/4 trs or XLR ends on the other. Or rca-rca plus adapters for the amp end. examples per link
https://www.amazon.com/Hosa-CPR-202-...gateway&sr=8-3




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from the description on amazon, Balanced 1/4" TRS and XLR inputs.
so, you'll need a cable with rca on one end (mrx720 preouts) and either 1/4 trs or XLR ends on the other. Or rca-rca plus adapters for the amp end. examples per link
https://www.amazon.com/Hosa-CPR-202-...gateway&sr=8-3




https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-Suita...gateway&sr=8-6
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You're welcome. I was looking at same/similar amp as a possible future option (currently using an Emotiva UPA7 for Atmos/surround/center)
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Smile MRX 720 Dolby Atmos question

Can anyone tell me what I need to buy in addition to the MRX 720 to amplify Dolby Atmos front and back height speakers?
I have the speakers.
I don't know how to find that info in this thread since the words are so common.
I thought I read somewhere in the manual that the "back" channels could be reassigned to act as Atmos, thus
I would only need two more channels of amplification: but I cannot find that again, if I ever did.
I assume I do not need the run the "back" speakers if I have 5.1 and height speakers front and back.


Thanks for any help offered!

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Can anyone tell me what I need to buy in addition to the MRX 720 to amplify Dolby Atmos front and back height speakers?
I have the speakers.
I don't know how to find that info in this thread since the words are so common.
I thought I read somewhere in the manual that the "back" channels could be reassigned to act as Atmos, thus
I would only need two more channels of amplification: but I cannot find that again, if I ever did.
I assume I do not need the run the "back" speakers if I have 5.1 and height speakers front and back.


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This is what I picked up on amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-300...gateway&sr=8-1
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Can anyone tell me what I need to buy in addition to the MRX 720 to amplify Dolby Atmos front and back height speakers?
I have the speakers.
I don't know how to find that info in this thread since the words are so common.
I thought I read somewhere in the manual that the "back" channels could be reassigned to act as Atmos, thus
I would only need two more channels of amplification: but I cannot find that again, if I ever did.
I assume I do not need the run the "back" speakers if I have 5.1 and height speakers front and back.


Thanks for any help offered!


Page 17 of the manual:

BACK AMP (MRX Only) and HEIGHT 2 AMP (MRX 1120 Only)
By default, MRX 1120 has amplification for 7.1.4 main speakers, and the MRX 720 for 7.1 main speakers. Amplification for the back and height channels can be reassigned for use with the following configurations:
MRX 1120:
5.1.4 main speakers and two Zone 2 speakers 7.1.2 main speakers and two Zone 2 speakers
MRX 720:
5.1.2 main speakers
5.1 main speakers and two Zone 2 speakers

Looks like for MRX 720 can reassign back for two of the heights but need an external amp for the second set of Atmos heights


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Page 17 of the manual:

BACK AMP (MRX Only) and HEIGHT 2 AMP (MRX 1120 Only)
By default, MRX 1120 has amplification for 7.1.4 main speakers, and the MRX 720 for 7.1 main speakers. Amplification for the back and height channels can be reassigned for use with the following configurations:
MRX 1120:
5.1.4 main speakers and two Zone 2 speakers 7.1.2 main speakers and two Zone 2 speakers
MRX 720:
5.1.2 main speakers
5.1 main speakers and two Zone 2 speakers

Looks like for MRX 720 can reassign back for two of the heights but need an external amp for the second set of Atmos heights


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Correct..need an external amp for second set of Atmos heights.
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Can anyone tell me what I need to buy in addition to the MRX 720 to amplify Dolby Atmos front and back height speakers?
I have the speakers.
I don't know how to find that info in this thread since the words are so common.
I thought I read somewhere in the manual that the "back" channels could be reassigned to act as Atmos, thus
I would only need two more channels of amplification: but I cannot find that again, if I ever did.
I assume I do not need the run the "back" speakers if I have 5.1 and height speakers front and back.


Thanks for any help offered!
I am running 5.1.4 with a 7 channel Sunfire Amp doing main, center and heights, and the MRX doing the surround.

Anthem mrx-720, Sunfire Cinema Grand 400-7, GoldenEar Aon 3 L-R, GoldenEar SuperSat3 Surround, Paradigm Millenia 20 Center, Intimus L6-IC Height, SVS PB-1000 sub, atmos 5.1.4
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I bought the 1120 thinking I wouldn't need any external amps but I'm running into distortion on the center channel with both a Polk CSi5 and pn recently purchased a Chane 2.4 to try out. I think either something is wrong with the center channel on the 1120 or it's underpowered or I am just somehow more demanding than an average user?

I believe when I run ARC, it is setting the target to match -20dB on the volume control, is that right? It targets 75dB by default but I turn that down by 3dB to 72dB and then turn the results down an additional -3dB which makes me suspect my -20 is now set to 69. That should mean if I'm up to -10 I should be at 79 and at 0 if be at 89.

Based on all the calculations I've looked at, I would think the MRX1120 would be able to handle that fine with 90dB sensitive speakers sitting about 10.5' away. I'm getting clipping and distortion on dialog from the center channel. Haven't really noticed anything on other channels. Not sure how to measure this since REW only gives options to run sweeps on L, R or L+R.

Never had these issues on my Marantz SR7009 with 9 channels driven. Should I have gotten the 720 or prepro Anthem with external amp since I might need an amp anyway? Or should I try more sensitive speakers? Or is something just not right with this new AVR?

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I also wonder if there is a particular scene any of you use or recommend for testing out a center channel. Either on 4k UHD or something I could download and play from my Shield (Kofi) or Apple TV 4k (MrMC)

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