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Yes, works perfectly. The trigger on one of my Rotel amps stopped working so instead of sending it out to get it fixed I use this to turn it on. You first need to go into the Anthem menu system and setup the trigger.. To setup the trigger bring up the menu system and go to: Network/Remote Control >> Trigger Configuration (pages-27-29 of the manual).

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Trigger = Menu
Power = Main

Important: all inputs should be set to OFF in the Trigger Configuration screen.

Then when you turn on the 720 the trigger will fire and on the power strip it will turn on the outlets that are NOT always on and your amps will turn on.
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When running 5.2.2, is it possible to turn off the surround and height speakers and only have the fronts on? Curious because I don’t necessarily want to listen to the surround and heights while watching the news or sports.


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Yes...just go into speaker setup and turn those speakers off on the profile you are using.

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Yes...just go into speaker setup and turn those speakers off on the profile you are using.

I see now, so I set up a profile for casual tv watching where I only have the fronts playing and another that is for movies and have all speakers playing?


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I see now, so I set up a profile for casual tv watching where I only have the fronts playing and another that is for movies and have all speakers playing?


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Yes..exactly.
I have one set up like this for vinyl.
I have left-right-subs and sometimes turn on the front Atmos.
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I see now, so I set up a profile for casual tv watching where I only have the fronts playing and another that is for movies and have all speakers playing?
Yeah, you can have up to four speaker profiles with any number of speakers active or not. I have a 2.2, 3.2, 5.2, and 7.2.4 going on. Then create an input for your TV watching, then assign whichever profile you want to that input.
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Yeah, you can have up to four speaker profiles with any number of speakers active or not. I have a 2.2, 3.2, 5.2, and 7.2.4 going on. Then create an input for your TV watching, then assign whichever profile you want to that input.
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Good idea, thanks.

I watch cable TV the majority, so I created an input called, "X1 3.2" that I set to be the default startup input to give me L/R/C for my Xfinity box. You could do something similar (if you haven't already) so when you power on it'll just go right to that input with your associated fronts only speaker profile. Just a bit of a shortcut!

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Any way to run ARC with a 6.1 setup? I don't have a right, have a left back speaker and it stopped the run when it got to the right back surround.
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I watch cable TV the majority, so I created an input called, "X1 3.2" that I set to be the default startup input to give me L/R/C for my Xfinity box. You could do something similar (if you haven't already) so when you power on it'll just go right to that input with your associated fronts only speaker profile. Just a bit of a shortcut!
Another great idea. I have X1 too. For some reason, I didn't associate the "Profile Name" in the input settings with speaker profile settings, I thought it was for ARC settings. How do you setup a default startup input? thanks

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Any way to run ARC with a 6.1 setup? I don't have a right, have a left back speaker and it stopped the run when it got to the right back surround.
I don't think so. Contact support and maybe they'll bother answering, and possibly add it. It is a pretty nonstandard setup though.
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Another great idea. I have X1 too. For some reason, I didn't associate the "Profile Name" in the input settings with speaker profile settings, I thought it was for ARC settings. How do you setup a default startup input? thanks

Well, I'm not in front of the machine, but when you go to Setup - in that first screen, scroll down a bit to "Settings" or something like that? It'll have a "Power On Input" sub-setting in there - sorry, I can't recall the actual menu names from memory!
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Well, I'm not in front of the machine, but when you go to Setup - in that first screen, scroll down a bit to "Settings" or something like that? It'll have a "Power On Input" sub-setting in there - sorry, I can't recall the actual menu names from memory!

Found it...I have it on last used. Thanks again.


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Thanks. Until I can get another back made and installed I just did the run as a 5.1 setup.

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Yeah, you can have up to four speaker profiles with any number of speakers active or not. I have a 2.2, 3.2, 5.2, and 7.2.4 going on. Then create an input for your TV watching, then assign whichever profile you want to that input.
Curious - any advantage (audio wise) in setting up different profiles like this versus just setting the mode for stereo / multi channel as appropriate. I use different profiles, but main difference is EQ level.

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Just note regards the speaker usage, it also depends on the listener mode you have it in. Eg if you have it with a 7.1.4 speaker setup, if you have it set to Dolby Surround (upmix) or DTS-X Neural X, it will upmix stereo, mono etc to all channels - BUT that said it is pretty smart in that it doesn't just needlessly duplicate dialog to all channels. So Personally I'd always run in DTS-X Neural X.

Other than those modes, there are plenty that don't upmix. Like Anthem Logic Music, AnthemLogic Cinema, None (in which case it just does stereo for stereo, etc. I can't recall all of them but some are described in the manual. I haven't really looked at it since setup and initial use (when I moved from Dolby upmix to DTS upmix and never looked back.
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Curious - any advantage (audio wise) in setting up different profiles like this versus just setting the mode for stereo / multi channel as appropriate. I use different profiles, but main difference is EQ level.
Don't know other than the individual speaker levels that can/do indeed change with the different profiles as you mentioned if there is another audio advantage? I'm sure there is one to just this aspect alone that ARC figures out, I'm guessing based on assumptions about how the various speakers will interact with each other as more and more get added, but I don't know at all. For me, it's more of a convenience thing - I don't always feel the need nor desire to run all speakers. 7.2.4 is for serious stuff. Casual, I'm good at 3.2, maybe 5.2 if I'm feeling adventurous...and always nice having a stereo only config.

For music people, they might want to have different profiles, maybe one with subs, one without?

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Other than those modes, there are plenty that don't upmix. Like Anthem Logic Music, AnthemLogic Cinema, None (in which case it just does stereo for stereo, etc. I can't recall all of them but some are described in the manual. I haven't really looked at it since setup and initial use (when I moved from Dolby upmix to DTS upmix and never looked back.

How do mean Anthem Logic doesn't upmix? I mean, it'll use any and all speakers (minus the center for music) if selected. Do you just mean how the info gets processed? (Which does differ from Dolby and DTS.) Sorry, I'm likely misinterpreting the statement!

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Sorry, I mean there are other modes that don't upmix. And some do less than others or different. So might be better suited than disabling speakers in a speaker config
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Curious - any advantage (audio wise) in setting up different profiles like this versus just setting the mode for stereo / multi channel as appropriate. I use different profiles, but main difference is EQ level.
Yes. IMHO. I have a "TV" mode that drops the height speakers, and activates Dolby Surround, so it can use the full 7.1 base layer without any puffery from the overheads. I prefer to safe the height speakers for movies.

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Thanks, all, who replied to my question on different speaker profiles versus mode selection on audio quality. I may do a bit of experimenting to see if I can hear any differences. Mainly interested in stereo source (turntable in 2.1 profile versus 5.1.4 profile w/ stereo source set to no processing mode)

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Any way to run ARC with a 6.1 setup? I don't have a right, have a left back speaker and it stopped the run when it got to the right back surround.
No, unfortunately. ARC assumes you have 2 backs, and halts when it gets to the missing channel. That was lesson #1 the day I installed my 720. :-)
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Do you guys feel that ARC provides good results for a sub that is not located in its optimal location?

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Do you guys feel that ARC provides good results for a sub that is not located in its optimal location?
Doesn't look like it. Feel free to see this new post. First run of ARC and I have a huge suck out at 80 Hz. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...l#post59102204
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Do you guys feel that ARC provides good results for a sub that is not located in its optimal location?
That's sort of a loaded question because there's different situations that make the placement non-optimal. Room correction in general can only do so much to overcome the physics of the speaker, the room, and the placement in the room. For example, if you place the sub in a location that produces a pretty flat response with only a narrow peak, then room correction can usually be pretty effective at cutting that peak. But place the sub in a position that produces a deep null due to room interaction, and room correction and all the amplification you can throw at it will not be able to adequately smooth that response. The sub would have to be moved to improve this.

In addition, room correction can be tricked by a non-optimal sub placement and choose crossover frequencies and slopes that don't line up with what you believe your speakers are capable of producing. This especially happens when there's a big null. This usually requires moving speakers and re-running sweeps or manually setting crossovers in ARC.

I'm sure you'll get a lot of opinions from others.

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That's sort of a loaded question because there's different situations that make the placement non-optimal. Room correction in general can only do so much to overcome the physics of the speaker, the room, and the placement in the room. For example, if you place the sub in a location that produces a pretty flat response with only a narrow peak, then room correction can usually be pretty effective at cutting that peak. But place the sub in a position that produces a deep null due to room interaction, and room correction and all the amplification you can throw at it will not be able to adequately smooth that response. The sub would have to be moved to improve this.

In addition, room correction can be tricked by a non-optimal sub placement and choose crossover frequencies and slopes that don't line up with what you believe your speakers are capable of producing. This especially happens when there's a big null. This usually requires moving speakers and re-running sweeps or manually setting crossovers in ARC.

I'm sure you'll get a lot of opinions from others.
Per my link to the official ARC Genesis thread, how about that suckout at 80 Hz! https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...l#post59102204
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Per my link to the official ARC Genesis thread, how about that suckout at 80 Hz! https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...l#post59102204
John...I took a look at your room images from the other thread. Nice speakers...I'm a DIY speaker guy as well.
The first thing I'll say is don't get discouraged or frustrated by your first couple of Genesis runs. Use these runs to get used to the program settings and more importantly use quick measure first on each speaker and sub independently to get a baseline response in your room from your primary seat. These measurements will give you some honest measurements and might surprise you.

Second, if you see response from any speaker that looks bizarre, move it a few feet in any realistic direction and quick measure again. In your dual purpose, untreated room, you will see a drastically different measurement. This will probably start planting the seed that small movements of speakers in the room can make large changes in response.

Many of us (me included) get used to where we have everything placed in a room, or we are very limited in where we can actually place speakers. When the measurements start showing us that these locations are not optimal, we can either accept the compromise, or start to change some things to see improved results.

SO a couple thing I see in your room that may help: If you want a lower L/R crossover point, you will almost certainly have to unplug the ports to get better bass extension. I have very large towers and have run Genesis with and without the ports plugged and Genesis selected a crossover a full octave lower running ported.

Second, you look to have a ton of front wall space to experiment with sub placement. Get out those MTM stands and start moving/measuring your subs in some different locations. Do one at a time. Get a decent response from one, then turn on the second and observe the contribution of the second.

Have some fun with this! You might be amazed at how much better sound you can get by making some small changes in your room.

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That's sort of a loaded question because there's different situations that make the placement non-optimal. Room correction in general can only do so much to overcome the physics of the speaker, the room, and the placement in the room. For example, if you place the sub in a location that produces a pretty flat response with only a narrow peak, then room correction can usually be pretty effective at cutting that peak. But place the sub in a position that produces a deep null due to room interaction, and room correction and all the amplification you can throw at it will not be able to adequately smooth that response. The sub would have to be moved to improve this.

In addition, room correction can be tricked by a non-optimal sub placement and choose crossover frequencies and slopes that don't line up with what you believe your speakers are capable of producing. This especially happens when there's a big null. This usually requires moving speakers and re-running sweeps or manually setting crossovers in ARC.

I'm sure you'll get a lot of opinions from others.
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Will running dual subs and performing REW before ARC help minimize peaks and valleys?
In almost every case, dual subs have the "potential" to produce a smoother in-room response in one or more seating positions and can help Genesis do its job. The caveat being that placement of subs, proper delay between subs, etc. must be done properly to achieve this. You don't want them cancelling each other out by poor placement or playing out of phase.

When you say performing REW, I assume you're talking about using REW to integrate the dual subs together so they have a better response than the single sub. If that's the case, then absolutely it should help.
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In almost every case, dual subs have the "potential" to produce a smoother in-room response in one or more seating positions and can help Genesis do its job. The caveat being that placement of subs, proper delay between subs, etc. must be done properly to achieve this. You don't want them cancelling each other out by poor placement or playing out of phase.

When you say performing REW, I assume you're talking about using REW to integrate the dual subs together so they have a better response than the single sub. If that's the case, then absolutely it should help.
Yes, this is exactly what I mean...thank you.

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In almost every case, dual subs have the "potential" to produce a smoother in-room response in one or more seating positions and can help Genesis do its job. The caveat being that placement of subs, proper delay between subs, etc. must be done properly to achieve this. You don't want them cancelling each other out by poor placement or playing out of phase.

When you say performing REW, I assume you're talking about using REW to integrate the dual subs together so they have a better response than the single sub. If that's the case, then absolutely it should help.
Thanks for the GREAT advice and your time Bittermidget. Will heed your advice.

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