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My Dolby enabled speakers always come up as out of phase. Not on mu other brands just Yamaha during YPAO. I gave up worrying about it. All of my speakers are always set to large.....All of them and i change to small and 80hz and rock on.... Hope this helps.
Hi MarkMul1,

After changing the size of speakers to small, do you have to re-run YPAO? Thanks.
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Hi MarkMul1,

After changing the size of speakers to small, do you have to re-run YPAO? Thanks.
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Hi MarkMul1,

After changing the size of speakers to small, do you have to re-run YPAO? Thanks.
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No
I think that's bad advice.
If you change the range of frequencies routed to your speakers, you should get a different YPAO result (either way).
This is why editing the PEQ of an individual speaker (like I do for my center channel) changes its characteristics.

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1. Amaze for 360 panning and proper placement of ceilings in regard to surrounds and fronts. Listen to when the bird flies past the center going to the left speaker. At that moment, the Top Left and Top Right speakers also squawk and pans from TL to TR right as the bird is finishing it's circle from Main Left to Side Surround. If you are not getting a full 360 experience, then your setup needs tweaking.

2. Audiosphere for proper panning of tops from left to right and proper panning of tops from front to back. Also great for bubble effect. The Bells should sound like they are dancing from left to right and right to left right over your head. The bells do not pan from front to back however the music does. Listen to see if you get a full 0-100 or 25-75. For floor bed. The outer ring should sound like its an...outer ring. The inner ring should sound like a bubble. Should clearly hear bubble vs outer ring while hearing the panning from front to back and left to right for tops.

3. Encounter for proper lateral movement and pure awesomeness! You should hear an Arc (Rainbow) thingy as the robots jumps over your head. It should clearly sound like an Arc.

4. Helicopter for proper separation of TFL/R and TRL/R. Helicopter should evenly circle your head.


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You forgot 747 that's a ripper as it starts in front of you and eventually fly's over you.

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If you change the range of frequencies routed to your speakers, you should get a different YPAO result (either way).
Wrong. YPAO doesnt consider your changes when you run it again.
If you change from large to small and rerun YPAO it will set them back to large. Then what?
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If you change from large to small and rerun YPAO it will set them back to large.
I have noted that. Its pity you can't lock them on small then do a YPAO. Like I have said before I can spend half a day doing YPAO checks one after each other and I will get higher setting on my 4 ceiling and surround and rear surrounds speakers yet the next test the same will be lower then the next test they will be higher again but not necessarily the same as the highest but whilst all this is going on my Front Mains and center are always the same in all test so work that out. Also Subs are nearly the same in all test.
Maybe this has something to do with my TV room

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Thanks Rontalley,
there is some of what you are describing palpable, rest is alluding. I will have to give it another try when I get home late from work. I dont have much choice in spacing speakers.
Getting Tannoy Di8 installed with K-ball was back breaking.
and my surround have only one feet room to move, so I am not sure I am able to impact much of the soundscape that way.

Thanks Franchot for that info on DSU

I am still confused about my Q3

"Can some one help with my zone 2 out. I have 5.2.4 with basic power amp assigned as default by 3050. I am using zone 2 out to my whole house audio as input, which then attached to amplifier and goes to individual rooms. I am not getting any signal there. Am I doing something wrong? do I need to change how power amp is assigned?"

I am using external amp, and I am not using Front or rear presence at the same time, should it not get pre out on zone 2 and 3 to output signal? or do I need to physically assign amp to FP and RP speakers and then only AVR will out put to pre out.

Thanks again..
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Wrong. YPAO doesnt consider your changes when you run it again.
If you change from large to small and rerun YPAO it will set them back to large. Then what?
That's weird. For the record, all of my speakers are set to "large" except my center channel. So the question is: why didn't YPAO set that back to "large" when I ran it??

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@Stanton , I am having same issue where each time YPAO assigned different speakers large/small. Especially after I went to manual set up and changed them. Not sure if there is any correlation.
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Is it a Roku 4?

Nah, its actually quiet older, Roku 2 XS. I think I fixed it, (hopefully) I updated the firmware on the receiver and I did same sequence and it played through speakers this time. So hopefully end of that.
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@Stanton , I am having same issue where each time YPAO assigned different speakers large/small. Especially after I went to manual set up and changed them. Not sure if there is any correlation.
Maybe there's some other difference in our configs? For example, I don't have a sub in my system (at least I didn't run YPAO with a sub present). Do you?

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YPAO didnt recognize my subs, I thought that was by design but not sure.

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I'm less than pleased that I need to amp 4 channels to use the 7 channel with FP and RP setup. Unless I'm willing to 'cheat' by using the 9 Channel setup (I'm not, it isn't what I have) then I have to buy a much more expensive amp.

I'm confused. 9ch +RP is not for a 9-channel setup. It's for an 11-channel setup (9+2), which is what you have (7+4).

As I look at the screen, it shows 7 channels driven by the internal amps, 2 FP channels driven by the internal amps, and two RP channels sent to the preouts to be driven by an external amp.

7ch +FP+RP is the exact same configuration, but it doesn't use all internal amplifiers. The other option is 9ch +Front, which requires a two-channel amp for the fronts.

What is the "cheat"?
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That's weird. For the record, all of my speakers are set to "large" except my center channel. So the question is: why didn't YPAO set that back to "large" when I ran it??
Strange!.
Every time I do a YPAO everything goes back to large. I also have Sub Amps connected to the front and rear pre outs of the 3050

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That's weird. For the record, all of my speakers are set to "large" except my center channel. So the question is: why didn't YPAO set that back to "large" when I ran it??
Impossible to say but not abnormal. Maybe if you run it again it will.
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YPAO didnt recognize my subs.
Not normal.
What makes you say that?
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Strange!.
Every time I do a YPAO everything goes back to large. I also have Sub Amps connected to the front and rear pre outs of the 3050
You may simply have more competent speakers. Nothing to worry about.
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Whether YPAO chooses large or small is all but irrelevant.
Which you choose after running YPAO is what matters.
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Just bought a 3050. Have a rx-v867 I want to use as an amp. How do I make it work? I'm looking to do a 7.1.4 setup. If it's already in this thread, point me to the page please. If it's not, anyone's help is greatly appreciated. Instructions or a picture would be great. Thanks.
Someone share their knowledge with me please? I'm not trying to hijack the thread, but I really need to know how to do this and the manual is just too vague for me or I'm to stupid to grasp what it's saying.
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You may simply have more competent speakers. Nothing to worry about.
I have the same problem...Every time I run YPAO, it sets my speakers to large. I have Klipsch speakers.
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Someone share their knowledge with me please? I'm not trying to hijack the thread, but I really need to know how to do this and the manual is just too vague for me or I'm to stupid to grasp what it's saying.
The 3050 will run 9 of your channels.You will need to set the Power Amp Assign to 9ch +RP. You'll run RCAs from the preout for the Rear Presence on the 3050 to the Multi Channel inputs on the 867, probably using Left and Right front, and wire your other speakers to the speaker terminals of the 3050. Connect your Rear Presence speakers to the appropriate speaker terminals on the 867.

The 867 should be in Pure Direct mode. You will then need to get the volume of the 867 in line with the 3050 speakers. The 867's volume will need to be stay set at the same level all the time once you have it matched to the other channels, so you'll need to make sure the 3050's remote does not also change the volume on the 867. You can either change the codes for the 3050 or cover the remote sensor on the 867 with electrical tape.

That should get you started.
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The 3050 will run 9 of your channels.You will need to set the Power Amp Assign to 9ch +RP. You'll run RCAs from the preout for the Rear Presence on the 3050 to the Multi Channel inputs on the 867, probably using Left and Right front, and wire your other speakers to the speaker terminals of the 3050. Connect your Rear Presence speakers to the appropriate speaker terminals on the 867.

The 867 should be in Pure Direct mode. You will then need to get the volume of the 867 in line with the 3050 speakers. The 867's volume will need to be stay set at the same level all the time once you have it matched to the other channels, so you'll need to make sure the 3050's remote does not also change the volume on the 867. You can either change the codes for the 3050 or cover the remote sensor on the 867 with electrical tape.

That should get you started.
Thank you, jcpo. Even I can understand it.
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With the 2050 allowing 4 atmos channels in the configuration of 5.1.4, would turning the Virtual surround back speaker(VSBS) to "on" be better than keeping it "off" in mimicking a presence of sound behind you when listening to an Atmos track?
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With the 2050 allowing 4 atmos channels in the configuration of 5.1.4, would turning the Virtual surround back speaker(VSBS) to "on" be better than keeping it "off" in mimicking a presence of sound behind you when listening to an Atmos track?
I do not believe the virtual features work on an Atmos track or when using Dolby Surround.
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I do not believe the virtual features work on an Atmos track or when using Dolby Surround.
Yes. That's my understanding as well. I believe it's the manual somewhere...

Maybe it will work with DTS:X ? Remains to be seen, but not too optimistic on that.
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Someone share their knowledge with me please? I'm not trying to hijack the thread, but I really need to know how to do this and the manual is just too vague for me or I'm to stupid to grasp what it's saying.
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I'm confused. 9ch +RP is not for a 9-channel setup. It's for an 11-channel setup (9+2), which is what you have (7+4).

As I look at the screen, it shows 7 channels driven by the internal amps, 2 FP channels driven by the internal amps, and two RP channels sent to the preouts to be driven by an external amp.

7ch +FP+RP is the exact same configuration, but it doesn't use all internal amplifiers. The other option is 9ch +Front, which requires a two-channel amp for the fronts.

What is the "cheat"?
Game Fan,

jpco laid out how to configure the A3050 to go from 9 ---> 11 channels using the external amp in the above post pretty well.

The basic idea is choosing the 2-channel external amp to power either:
(a) the least demanding pair of speakers (i.e. the 2nd pair of ceiling speakers); or
(b) the most demanding pair of speakers (i.e. the Front Left and Front Right).

Depending on your room, the type of speakers, listening position and how loud one likes to listen - at least Yamaha gives one the choice which way to go.

For instance, if you've got very efficient speakers (+95dB/W/m) in a small room, don't sit too far away or go beyond reference level - then it makes sense to go with option (a). This means powering 9 of the 11 speakers with the internal amp of the A3050 and using the pre-outs to a lower power 2-channel amp for the 2nd pair of ceiling speakers.

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jpco laid out how to configure the A3050 to go from 9 ---> 11 channels using the external amp in the above post pretty well.



The basic idea is choosing the 2-channel external amp to power either:

(a) the least demanding pair of speakers (i.e. the 2nd pair of ceiling speakers); or

(b) the most demanding pair of speakers (i.e. the Front Left and Front Right).



Depending on your room, the type of speakers, listening position and how loud one likes to listen - at least Yamaha gives one the choice which way to go.



For instance, if you've got very efficient speakers (+95dB/W/m) in a small room, don't sit too far away or go beyond reference level - then it makes sense to go with option (a). This means powering 9 of the 11 speakers with the internal amp of the A3050 and using the pre-outs to a lower power 2-channel amp for the 2nd pair of ceiling speakers.

Thanks for chiming in. The multi quote is from two different conversations. It was @neotravy who was feeling like it was a "cheat."
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I don't think that YPAO considers rather your speakers are set large or small before running the measurement as it will determine that itself. So when changing them to small or large after calibration, you do not need to run YPAO again as it is a "catch 22" situation.

You do need to play around with the x/o to see what sounds best in your room. 80hz is an ideal starting point as it puts the useful bass in the sub woofer and let the speakers handle the punch (bass you can hear but not necessarily feel). X/o to too high and your sub starts being to "punchy". X/o too low then the sub starts loosing lows (girth/oomph).

Rule of thumb, or at least from my experience, if YPAO sets your speakers to large but you want them as small, use 80hz and walk away. (Really beneficial be set to small if you have capable sub)

If you would like for the speakers to be set to large AND have that bass go to the sub, then turn extra bass on.

If your speakers change in dynamics and volume dramatically when switching from Small to Large then you have experienced the bug that I reported a while back!

Go back through and turn extra bass off and any enhancements and re-run YPAO. Your speakers should NOT sound dramatically different switching from Small to Large or Large to Small rather just a drop or boost in the lower frequencies.

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I have the same problem...Every time I run YPAO, it sets my speakers to large. I have Klipsch speakers.
Not a problem. Normal.
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Guys just want to ask a basic Sub question here but would like others to clarify this for me. The Yamaha RX-A3050 REAR SUB pre out in the Specifications says its 50 Hz so I would expect very little lower bass than this would come out of this pre out and If I have by default my Dayton SA 230 Shaker Amp set at the extra BOOST at 40 Hz would this mean that because 50Hz seems to be the limit for the 3050 having the Shaker amp set at 40 (default screw set at) would this mean that I would not be getting extra Boost or any boost at this lower Level.
Please note I can change that 40Hz to 50 Hz in a second so it matches the 3050 specs. The Range of the Boost on the Dayton is from 25Hz to 50 Hz and you have a extra Gain adjustment for whatever freq you choose to boost.

Can I get someone to check the specs to see that I'm comprehending it correctly.
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Main Room Sony KD-75X9400E Display, AMP. Yamaha RX-A3050. Front Mains, 2x Dali Concept 8. Klipsch Center, Surround and Rear Surrounds, 4X Dali Ikon 1. Ceiling 4X B&W CCM 382. Subs, 2x Kef C200 for the rear and 2X Kenwood SW-07HT for the fronts. Lounge Shakers, Dayton Audio SA 230 Sub Amp with 4 AST-2B-4 lounge Shakers. The other Tv room the Hecto live there the Hecto 100 inch Short throw projector,

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