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post #6241 of 10588 Old 04-02-2016, 02:31 PM
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For those of you wondering, the v1.77 DTS:X/HDR update does not seem to add any support for DTS Headphone:X, or anything of the like. I'm not sure if anyone was expecting it to, but I was hopeful.
I could be wrong, but I don't believe DTS Headphone:X requires any special decoding/processing. It only requires a "special" soundtrack (selected like any other) and works with any pair of (stereo) headphones.

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The firmware update for the 3050 is useless for a 5.1, correct?
There was talk back on page 204 and 205 about 5.1. It's a bit confusing to me.

I only have 5.1 and I'm trying to decide if I want a 1050.
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Can you explain to us how you ended up fixing it or what the issue was so others may avoid similar issues?
Mpc was not bistreaming...that's all!

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Straight and 9 Channel stereo aren't surround decoders. The 3050 has 7 designated Surround Decoder: Decoder types which are Dolby Surround, PLIIx Movie, PLIIx Game, PLIIx Music, Neo:6 Cinema, Neo:6 Music, and the newly added Neural:X. I don't know how the 40s list them but the fact that you can save between PLIIx and Dolby Surround is interesting.
So it looks like the 3050 can only save 2 surround decodes to Scene's being Straight and Surr decode.
I' using
Scene 1 Straight for Atmos
Scene 2 Straight for DTS X with Different Pattern more volume and other changes like Top speakers not overhead
Scene 3 Surr Decode Dolby True HD same Pattern as Scene 1
Scene 4 Well I cant save DTS Neural X for this one so i'm stuffed.what a bummer as it would have been great to be able to save Neural X to a scene.

Just to confirm. When Using Neural X for DTS HD MA movies I should use my pattern for 4 OVERHEADS not the other being Top (or whatever they call them I have forgotten)

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Anyhow I watch EX Machina last night. Not impressed with it but will have to wait until DTS brings out a "X" movie with a lot of above action like Mad Max Fury road did for Atmos.
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thanks for letting us know. Glad you got it resolved.
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Just to confirm. When Using Neural X for DTS HD MA movies I should use my pattern for 4 OVERHEADS not the other being Top (or whatever they call them I have forgotten)

Thanks
This is my question too. I heard that using speaker pattern of 4 HEIGHTS with DTS X is more correct than 4 OVERHEADS but I also need to know when using Neural X, what sounds better? speaker pattern of 4 OVERHEADS or speaker pattern of 4 HEIGHTS.
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This is my question too. I heard that using speaker pattern of 4 HEIGHTS with DTS X is more correct than 4 OVERHEADS but I also need to know when using Neural X, what sounds better? speaker pattern of 4 OVERHEADS or speaker pattern of 4 HEIGHTS.
And we should find out but being a lot older than most members I suspect sometimes my ears are playing tricks with me thus would like an opinion from some of you younger guys

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I changed nothing in how my ceiling speakers were assigned, and listened to the whole DTS:X demo disc. Other than having to turn it up louder as previously mentioned, everything sounded fine. When I watched an older non-DTS:X disc in DTS-HD MA, it too sounded fine. Just IMHO though...
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and you chose "dolby enabled sp" even though your speakers are on the ceiling like mine?
I have the add-on modules placed on top of the Klipsch speakers...sorry for the misunderstanding.I explained this a few pages back after the suggested settings after the DTS:X update.
Having this set up actually worked out better with the DTS:X set to "height" but the Atmos set to "dolby enabled sp"

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Can you explain to us how you ended up fixing it or what the issue was so others may avoid similar issues?
From the pic he posted, I guess because he sends PCM signal from his Media Player Classic instead of bitstream.
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I went ahead and took the plunge on a 3050 for my dedicated theater. Been going back and forth trying to decide between it and a Denon 6200. I've always had Yamahas and thought about trying something different but I kept coming back to the 3050.
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There was talk back on page 204 and 205 about 5.1. It's a bit confusing to me.

I only have 5.1 and I'm trying to decide if I want a 1050.
I have 3050 and can confirm DTS:X works on 5.1 while Atmos require 7.1 or 5.1.2 minimum.
The sound quality definitely can't beat the real setup with overhead speakers but you can notice difference when toggling between object based and their bed channel decoding.
Not sure with 1050 though but I guess should be same as 3050.
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This is my question too. I heard that using speaker pattern of 4 HEIGHTS with DTS X is more correct than 4 OVERHEADS but I also need to know when using Neural X, what sounds better? speaker pattern of 4 OVERHEADS or speaker pattern of 4 HEIGHTS.
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And we should find out but being a lot older than most members I suspect sometimes my ears are playing tricks with me thus would like an opinion from some of you younger guys
What age is considered "younger guys"?

I only have Crimson Peak and The Last Witch Hunter in DTS:X
...Front Height / Rear Height speakers and the audio was pretty good.
My Ex Machina didn't have DTS:X because it was a Canadian Version

The last few days I've played several DTS-HD MA blurays and up-mixed with Neural:X
and I'm Very Happy with the results, Movies included: Spectre, Oblivion and The Martian
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Today's afternoon matinee was a concert bluray,
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Master Volume hit -10dB a few times and it was AWESOME!!!!

I snapped a few pics from my smart-phone of my 120" screen ...

















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I'm about to watch the extended edition of the Hobbit Battle of the Five Armies in 3D.Will have to try the Neural:X
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I am watching Creed in Dolby Surround and switching to Nueral X. On 2 occasions the way DTS interprets audio leaves something to be desired. Watch the segment right after Creed leaves home and moved into his apartment. You will hear music that is muffled and placed in the upper right hand corner of the sound space if you use Neural. If you use surround, it doesn't get placed above your head but the music is clear. Again later in the film when Rocky first trains Creed in the gym you will hear another treatment of the music where DTS muffles the audio for the music and Dolby keeps it clear and clean. It's for these reasons that I believe I will use Dolby's solution more often than DTS
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Maybe there is some merit in keeping the up-mixer in the same family as the parent decoder
Dolby-> DSU and DTS -> Neural:X ???

I just watched Avatar (DTS-HD MA 5.1) tonight and swapped from Dolby Surround to Neural:X several times
...Neural:X had better ambiance in the music and louder more detailed objects/effects in the upper height channels.

Best examples are in the banshee flight sequences, about an hour in (Extended Version)

Oddly enough. I still have not watched any TrueHD movies to compare the two up-mixers yet,
...it would seem every one of my old favorites I've pulled off my media shelves lately had DTS-HD MA tracks.

When I finally found a great Dolby movie to watch that I just scored on amazon for $9.88
...it was John Wick and that one had Dolby Atmos ...and Holy Crap that kicked the Crap
out of any DTS:X, up-mixed N:X or DSU movie, best I've seen since Mad Max Fury Road.
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Creed is dts ma. Maybe it is something in thise scenes.... Ironically I bought John Wick today. Never seen it, will chck it out tomorrow. My favorite Atmos Mix right now is San Andreas. Amazing sound. I will try those scenes from Avatar in a bit.
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Maybe there is some merit in keeping the up-mixer in the same family as the parent decoder
Dolby-> DSU and DTS -> Neural:X ???

I just watched Avatar (DTS-HD MA 5.1) tonight and swapped from Dolby Surround to Neural:X several times
...Neural:X had better ambiance in the music and louder more detailed objects/effects in the upper height channels.

Best examples are in the banshee flight sequences, about an hour in (Extended Version)

Oddly enough. I still have not watched any TrueHD movies to compare the two up-mixers yet,
...it would seem every one of my old favorites I've pulled off my media shelves lately had DTS-HD MA tracks.

When I finally found a great Dolby movie to watch that I just scored on amazon for $9.88
...it was John Wick and that one had Dolby Atmos ...and Holy Crap that kicked the Crap
out of any DTS:X, up-mixed N:X or DSU movie, best I've seen since Mad Max Fury Road.
I scored that one cheap too, and agree that it sounded awesome.

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What age is considered "younger guys"?
Well anything under 50.

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Maybe there is some merit in keeping the up-mixer in the same family as the parent decoder
Dolby-> DSU and DTS -> Neural:X ???
Well thats what i'm doing

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How would you describe going from 2 overhead to 4 overhead? Is it a huge difference?
I have been debating that for a while. I had my system set up as 7.1.2. Due to the way my room is laid out I have my Rear Surrounds actually installed in the ceiling and my surrounds are at a direct 90 degrees from my MLP. I installed the front heights into the ceiling the same distance from the MLP as the rears. I had enjoyed the 7.1.2 but yesterday redid the cabling on the back of me receiver to try 5.1.4. Put in Fury Road and WOW it really is much fuller (best way I can describe it). Maybe more "immersive".

I am going to keep it like this for a bit to make sure of my decision but it does seem to be a good move. Especially when you have Atmos (or DTS:x eventually) content that uses the top speakers to any length.
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Anyhow I watch EX Machina last night. Not impressed with it but will have to wait until DTS brings out a "X" movie with a lot of above action like Mad Max Fury road did for Atmos.
Hi Black,
I purchased The Last Witch Hunter and on the label it clearly says DTS-X. When I go to the disc setup menu-Audio there is no option to select DTS-X, only 5.1 Dolby Digital. On my other Dolby Atmos discs there is an option to select Atmos. Atmos displays on my 3050 fine. Did I get ripped off? I did the firmware update to 1.7.7 so the problem is not in my 3050.
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What age is considered "younger guys"?

I only have Crimson Peak and The Last Witch Hunter in DTS:X
...Front Height / Rear Height speakers and the audio was pretty good.
My Ex Machina didn't have DTS:X because it was a Canadian Version

The last few days I've played several DTS-HD MA blurays and up-mixed with Neural:X
and I'm Very Happy with the results, Movies included: Spectre, Oblivion and The Martian
.

Today's afternoon matinee was a concert bluray,
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Master Volume hit -10dB a few times and it was AWESOME!!!!

I snapped a few pics from my smart-phone of my 120" screen ...

















I love my Metallica LOUD,
have for almost 20 years for my daily weight training sessions!
BTW...I turn a very young 53 later this month
Good morning PIO de Canada, sorry couldn't resist.
I did the 3050 firmware update without a hitch. I have all my equipment hard wired Ethernet so no wifi hiccups. Anyway I bought The Last Witch hunter and loaded her up and in the disc setup menu_Audio, there was no option to select DTS-X, only Dolby 5.1. It clearly says on the outer sleeve DTS-X. Did I get a wrong disc? All my Atmos encoded discs will display Atmos on the 3050 as they should. Also my Atmos discs will only display Atmos when I have the decoder set to straight. Any thoughts on both questions?
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I purchased The Last Witch Hunter and on the label it clearly says DTS-X. When I go to the disc setup menu-Audio there is no option to select DTS-X, only 5.1 Dolby Digital. On my other Dolby Atmos discs there is an option to select Atmos. Atmos displays on my 3050 fine. Did I get ripped off? I did the firmware update to 1.7.7 so the problem is not in my 3050.
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I did this once only to discover I had put the DVD disc in instead of the Blu-Ray disc. Could it be that simple? I am having an issue where all my Dolby True HD/Atmos movies decode properly but all my DTS X and DTS HD MA come through has PCM. Maybe you're having a similar issue. I've given up and am just using my region free player which is having no such issues.
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I have just started watching LWH in the UHD version, same issue on the DTS X. Also on the other 4K HDR movies I watched last couple days, this movie is not displaying HDR being on at the tv- like the other movies.
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I did this once only to discover I had put the DVD disc in instead of the Blu-Ray disc. Could it be that simple? I am having an issue where all my Dolby True HD/Atmos movies decode properly but all my DTS X and DTS HD MA come through has PCM. Maybe you're having a similar issue. I've given up and am just using my region free player which is having no such issues.
Thanks Jester. I wish it was that simple. When I bought the disc it was for the DTS-X encoding, and it says that on the jacket of the DVD itself. It is a BluRay. Yeah you're right. It sound great and looks great why not sit back and just enjoy the experience. But I am a perfectionist like virtually everyone on this forum.
Oh well, thanks for your input.
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Something that maybe my imagination but since the 1.77' when I listen to just music it just sounds better. I always use DSP for music and now it seems more detailed and vibrant. Also, another thing that has unexpectedly improved is the pass through of regular directv picture.
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post #6270 of 10588 Old 04-03-2016, 06:16 AM
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The firmware also includes an HDR update so if you have a 4K UHD display with HDR capabilities then it will be of use to you. If all you have is 5.1 with no presence speakers then I would have to say yes it most likely will be useless
They've also fixed some things and I've noticed some DLNA client changes for those of us that stream music from DLNA servers.
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