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I was thinking about trading in my Onkyo 646 and getting the Yamaha 2050,I miss not having front height channels,would there be a improvement in sound? I got no way of testing equipment before I buy most everything I get is a blind buy,live in the middle of no where
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ARC didn't work for me either. I had to use AV 1.
Another option would be:
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2) Connect STB/DVR audio to AVR "audio 1" via toslink

This saves an "AV" input and eliminates any ARC issues. I would be surprised if these ARC issues are the fault of the AVR (new HDMI chip seems to be pretty stable).

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Here's a warning to you "early adopters" about the (2) HDMI outputs. I accidently assigned HDMI 2 to Zone 2...which caused my Main Zone video output to go blank (nothing--like the HDMI output died). If you ever notice the "HDMI" button on the remote doesn't cycle through 1->2->1+2, then you've done something similar (changing "direct/processing" doesn't matter). This setting is in the "options/HDMI Out 2 assign" menu (not the "Settings" menu). Of course, you have to plug your monitor into the HDMI 1 Out jack to see what you are doing.
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I was thinking about trading in my Onkyo 646 and getting the Yamaha 2050,I miss not having front height channels,would there be a improvement in sound? I got no way of testing equipment before I buy most everything I get is a blind buy,live in the middle of no where
Although the 646 can indeed select Front High speakers, the A2050 is a few levels above the 646 in both quality, design, and features so would be expected to provide better audio quality.
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Thxs smoothie,I like the Onkyo good sq for the money,but I want to use 9 spks in my system and the Onkyo only let's me use 7,I could choose front heights but I loose back surrounds if I do that with the Onkyo
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Thxs smoothie,I like the Onkyo good sq for the money,but I want to use 9 spks in my system and the Onkyo only let's me use 7,I could choose front heights but I loose back surrounds if I do that with the Onkyo
Ah yes, correct, misunderstood the intent of your post. No 2015 Onkyo model can expand beyond 7CH and the A2050 would be the lowest 9CH capable 2015 Yamaha model.
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ARC didn't work for me either. I had to use AV 1.
Another option would be:
1) Connect STB/DVR video directly to TV via HDMI
2) Connect STB/DVR audio to AVR "audio 1" via toslink

This saves an "AV" input and eliminates any ARC issues. I would be surprised if these ARC issues are the fault of the AVR (new HDMI chip seems to be pretty stable).
Yes that works as well. But if I'm spending almost $2k I want it to work as advertised. But if the replacement does the same then I'll go your route and deal with it. I'm then calling directv asking for a new box.
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No video being output through the ARC output 1. A couple people have had this issue do far.

Is this issue related to specific TV brands?

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No reviews out there on the 2050 I'll just listen to what u guys think of the 2050
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Yes that works as well. But if I'm spending almost $2k I want it to work as advertised. But if the replacement does the same then I'll go your route and deal with it. I'm then calling directv asking for a new box.
There's one other (hidden) advantage to the way I route my STB audio/video. You can switch AV sources on the AVR without interrupting what's on the TV; of course, you have to manually switch inputs on the TV. For example, can switch between listening to music and listening to the TV sound without interrupting a sports event.

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Do you think Yamaha DPS sound better than DSU? and can you combine those two? I'm about to buy the 3050 but I would also like to know if it supports DTS Neural-X upmixer or if it will be supported later on
Yeah, I do think Yamaha's DSP is better than DSU, especially on the 3050. On the 2040 I felt like I had to do the dialogue lift at +1 or +2 to get any decent overhead action on most movies, but on the 3050, the overhead output is phenomenal. It sounds like there's two separate channels up there. Aside from the overhead stuff, I've always felt that Yamaha's DSP just creates a more cohesive, spacious soundfield. With DSU, I feel like you can get a great experience of sound effects being thrown to various speakers but when I switch over to Standard (my preferred DSP), it's like the sound just opens up and you stop hearing the individual speakers and instead hear a bubble of sound.

BTW, I did end up calibrating to have all channels the same volume (except for the overheads, which seem to work best when they're hot 1-3 db). That sounded much better than how YPAO had everything. I mean, considering that the 3050's DSP is incorporating the angle measurements, it should be no surprise that it's pretty damn awesome. I doubt even DTS Neural-X will be able to match that.
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Thxs smoothie,I like the Onkyo good sq for the money,but I want to use 9 spks in my system and the Onkyo only let's me use 7,I could choose front heights but I loose back surrounds if I do that with the Onkyo
Yeah, what the hell is up with that--only having 7.1 this year?
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No reviews out there on the 2050 I'll just listen to what u guys think of the 2050
Here's something I posted in another thread (before this one was created) that relates my first impressions:

Got my 2050 up-and-running last night and what a revelation! I did everything but YPAO (going to do that this weekend when I have some uninterrupted time--was watching my Royals on ESPN while swapping out my "old" and "new" AVRs), and I can't believe how smoothly it went; even did a firmware update this morning with no problems (wired connection). Got my Pandora set-up, plugged-in my USB stick I had prepared (mix of hi-rez and CD-quality files), and even got my LD AC-3 outboard decoder integrated (remember those?). Even without any calibration (and I could tell things were out of balance), I tried a couple of movies (Dolby Atmos and non Dolby Atmos) in 5.1.2 config and the overhead speakers really made a difference when things were panning across the room! Of course, music sounded great also; as good as my old DSP-A1 was, the A2050 really seems to punch things up. I'm going to have to set an upper volume limit (I also like the way you can set a lower volume "default" for when you turn it on--sometimes I forget to turn things down).

Since then, I've done the YPAO set-up--which was also easier than I thought it would be! I was amazed at the accuracy of the speaker locations/levels (I double-checked with a sound meter manually). I've also watch Gravity in Dolby Atmos and adjusted dialog levels for broadcast TV listening using some of the Yamaha DSP settings. Last night I listened to some FLAC files via USB (I like the "Enhancer" setting) and played an old cassette tape (I increased the input trim to help with volume levels). I'm very impressed with both multi-channel and 2-channel performance (and I play things loud).
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What color is the display on the receiver? To me it looks like a real light blue. My girl thinks its white..
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What color is the display on the receiver? To me it looks like a real light blue. My girl thinks its white..
It's white...except for the the HDMI and Zone stuff that's in red.
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I wish they still did that amber dot matrix look from back in the day. That looked great and somehow more high end looking (to me) than they do now.

Thoughts?
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Looks light blue to me and I have impeccable eyesight.. Stanton,how did you check your speaker levels manually? I want to do that. I have a sound meter,but when you put the test tones on,they just go around the room and doesn't really give you time to measure..
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Yeah, I do think Yamaha's DSP is better than DSU, especially on the 3050. On the 2040 I felt like I had to do the dialogue lift at +1 or +2 to get any decent overhead action on most movies, but on the 3050, the overhead output is phenomenal. It sounds like there's two separate channels up there. Aside from the overhead stuff, I've always felt that Yamaha's DSP just creates a more cohesive, spacious soundfield. With DSU, I feel like you can get a great experience of sound effects being thrown to various speakers but when I switch over to Standard (my preferred DSP), it's like the sound just opens up and you stop hearing the individual speakers and instead hear a bubble of sound.

BTW, I did end up calibrating to have all channels the same volume (except for the overheads, which seem to work best when they're hot 1-3 db). That sounded much better than how YPAO had everything. I mean, considering that the 3050's DSP is incorporating the angle measurements, it should be no surprise that it's pretty damn awesome. I doubt even DTS Neural-X will be able to match that.
Thanks! Do you use in-ceiling speakers ? I'm thinking about buying klipsch RP-140SA "atmos enabled" speaker, because I can't mount speakers in the ceiling right now. I'm also considering front heights.. What do you think would sound the best? and would DSU and Yamaha know that I am using front height / atmos speakers?
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I have a sound meter,but when you put the test tones on,they just go around the room and doesn't really give you time to measure..
If you run the test tones via the YPAO setup, they do that, but if you go through the manual setup they don't.

I forgot to mention the subwoofers don't play test tones in the manual setup. At least on my 3050 they don't.

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I wish they still did that amber dot matrix look from back in the day. That looked great and somehow more high end looking (to me) than they do now.

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I agree, it was less fatiguing on the eyes.
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Thanks! Do you use in-ceiling speakers ? I'm thinking about buying klipsch RP-140SA "atmos enabled" speaker, because I can't mount speakers in the ceiling right now. I'm also considering front heights.. What do you think would sound the best? and would DSU and Yamaha know that I am using front height / atmos speakers?
I think any atmos speaker would be better than front heights. You can tell the receiver what kind of atmos speakers you have in the setup.
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Thanks KidHorn. I'm not a fan of orange. That's the one thing that turns me off about the Pioneer's. Someone else said the Yamaha displays look whitish blue. I think that might be true.
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I wish they still did that amber dot matrix look from back in the day. That looked great and somehow more high end looking (to me) than they do now.
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I liked the amber/gas look as much as the next guy, but the problem was they burned out...dot by dot!

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What are the differences in the Yamaha 2040 and the 2050 is it DTS x?
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Thanks! Do you use in-ceiling speakers ? I'm thinking about buying klipsch RP-140SA "atmos enabled" speaker, because I can't mount speakers in the ceiling right now. I'm also considering front heights.. What do you think would sound the best? and would DSU and Yamaha know that I am using front height / atmos speakers?
No, I have Atlantic tech 350s up front L/C/R, 2200s for the 4 surrounds and 2 overheads, and 251LRs for my "front heights". I quote because that's what they're set-up as but it seems Atmos still considers them overheads. When I run Atmos, it says "7.1.4". It's hard to tell though if they are actually getting the overhead channel information or if it's adjusted to be where the speakers are located. Anyhoo, I have them hanging from the ceiling one way or another. I should've taken a picture when I changed the set-up for the overheads and the front heights. I have vaulted ceilings sloping up and away from the front of the room that runs into a vertical wall slightly behind and overhead the seating location. So, affixed to this wall, I have a 30" heavily braced vertically arranged 2x4 that is holding the overhead speakers over the seating location. And my front heights are technically attached to the sloping ceiling at the front of the room. I'm using standard adjustable wall mounts for those and the rear surrounds, which are also attached to the (normal height) ceiling behind the seating area.
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You can't have too many spks javenpolh!
Agreed. That's why I'm so anxious for a company besides Trinnov to tap into the potential of these new formats. If they don't, I'm going to figure out how to turn my computer into an A/V processor. I want speakers everywhere
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What are the differences in the Yamaha 2040 and the 2050 is it DTS x?
That and the new HDMI 2.0a (HDR) spec and HDCP 2.2 for passing the new 4k UHD BD video.
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Thx smoothie I just ordered the 2050,and returning one of my Onkyo 646 hope I like the yamaha
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