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Subwoofer question.

I have the Paradigm CT110 speaker system. Yesterday I decided to reset my a1050 to start all over again and ran the calibration.

I kept getting the W3 level error message. Turns out the subwoofer is not being picked up by the mic.

They are connected with two RCA cables to the AVR. I raised the level to max and cut-off frequency at Normal.

Any setting on the a1050 I should look out for?

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Subwoofer question.

I have the Paradigm CT110 speaker system. Yesterday I decided to reset my a1050 to start all over again and ran the calibration.

I kept getting the W3 level error message. Turns out the subwoofer is not being picked up by the mic.

They are connected with two RCA cables to the AVR. I raised the level to max and cut-off frequency at Normal.

Any setting on the a1050 I should look out for?
Remove the cables from the AVR and rub your finger over the tips. Hear static from the sub? If not, either cables or sub is defective.
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Remove the cables from the AVR and rub your finger over the tips. Hear static from the sub? If not, either cables or sub is defective.
I'll try that tonight. I'm wondering if two cables are overkill.

These are over 10 years old. Maybe it's time for an upgrade.

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Wait one damn minute! I thought I was getting DV from my XB1S into the 3050 to a P65-C1! So...Even though I was able to play HDR content through the 3050 with Mode 1 on, I am still not getting DV but HDR? Confused a little. So does DV disc automatically have HDR10?

Is there much a visual difference between HDR10 and DV?

Is there a way to send XB1S HDMI directly to TV AND send HDMI to AVR via a splitter where there are no lip sync or handshake issues?

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Been doing a little more research:

This makes no sense to me. I can buy a UHD with DV and Atmos but can only play one or the other? If I go into my 3050 then no DV. If I go into the TV then no TrueHD Atmos.

What is the sound difference between DD+ with Atmos and TrueHD Atmos? Will the UHD that have TrueHD Atmos play DD+ with Atmos over ARC?

Does the 3050 have more than one ARC? What if you have more than 1 4K player?

WTF? Just when you thought you had covered everything!

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In you alls opinion, what is more important?

1. Dolby Vision and Atmos via DD+(Lousy)
2. HDR10 and Atmos via TrueHD (Lossless)
3. Either Or

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RX-A3050 YPAO setup help needed. My 5.1 setup has Polk LSi 15 fronts and a new Polk LSi M704c center. In the auto
setup mode using the YPAO mic the results said the center was out of phase. I returned the speaker and the 2nd one
also indicates out of phase. When I reverse polarity on that speaker it no longer indicates out of phase but does highlight
the the left side speaker internal to the center speaker. With that indication I don't know which way I should connect it.
I hope someone brighter than I can give me some direction with a logical explanation. Yes, I did read in the owners
manual that some rooms may cause false indications but I really don't think that's it. Help please and thanks in advance.
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RX-A3050 YPAO setup help needed. My 5.1 setup has Polk LSi 15 fronts and a new Polk LSi M704c center. In the auto
setup mode using the YPAO mic the results said the center was out of phase. I returned the speaker and the 2nd one
also indicates out of phase. When I reverse polarity on that speaker it no longer indicates out of phase but does highlight
the the left side speaker internal to the center speaker. With that indication I don't know which way I should connect it.
I hope someone brighter than I can give me some direction with a logical explanation. Yes, I did read in the owners
manual that some rooms may cause false indications but I really don't think that's it. Help please and thanks in advance.
First of all, don't return any more speakers because YPAO says it's "out of phase".
Ignore the phase error, run (multi-point) YPAO with speakers set to large (you didn't say you had a sub) and see how it sounds. If it "sounds" good, then don't do anything else.
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Been doing a little more research:

This makes no sense to me. I can buy a UHD with DV and Atmos but can only play one or the other? If I go into my 3050 then no DV. If I go into the TV then no TrueHD Atmos.

What is the sound difference between DD+ with Atmos and TrueHD Atmos? Will the UHD that have TrueHD Atmos play DD+ with Atmos over ARC?

Does the 3050 have more than one ARC? What if you have more than 1 4K player?

WTF? Just when you thought you had covered everything!
You're so confused you're getting me confused: why are you associating UHD (disc based) with ARC (something usually associated with with streaming/signal coming from a TV)? Just because the AVR doesn't pass Dolby Vision doesn't mean it can't decode Dolby Atmos!
The differences between DD+ Atmos and TrueHD Atmos are the same as DD+ and TrueHD: one is lossy and one is lossless. To add to your confusion, most TVs can't pass DD+, so the only Atmos you'll probably ever hear is from a TrueHD soundtrack on a disk.

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In you alls opinion, what is more important?

1. Dolby Vision and Atmos via DD+(Lousy)
2. HDR10 and Atmos via TrueHD (Lossless)
3. Either Or
I don't care about DV because my TV can't decode it anyway (and HDR10 looks just fine).
I'll take Atmos any way I can get it, but (as mentioned in previous post), most folks get their Atmos from TrueHD via disk.

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YPAO multi-point

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First of all, don't return any more speakers because YPAO says it's "out of phase".
Ignore the phase error, run (multi-point) YPAO with speakers set to large (you didn't say you had a sub) and see how it sounds. If it "sounds" good, then don't do anything else.
When I'm done running the auto multi-point setup should I go back and manually set
my center and surround speakers to small & 80 hz? Yes, I have no sub as my Polk LSi 15
has them built in so I do have them set to large & ? hz. Tnx again.
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So does DV disc automatically have HDR10?

Currently there aren't any discs with Dolby Vision. All UHD Blu-rays use HDR10. That should change in the next few months, even if Yamaha isn't able to pass though DV, many BD players have dual HDMI out so you can connect directly to both the TV and the AVR.




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You're so confused you're getting me confused: why are you associating UHD (disc based) with ARC (something usually associated with with streaming/signal coming from a TV)? Just because the AVR doesn't pass Dolby Vision doesn't mean it can't decode Dolby Atmos!
The differences between DD+ Atmos and TrueHD Atmos are the same as DD+ and TrueHD: one is lossy and one is lossless. To add to your confusion, most TVs can't pass DD+, so the only Atmos you'll probably ever hear is from a TrueHD soundtrack on a disk.
I was confused as to Dolby Vision not being available as of yet. My TV is able to play DV and I thought that the XB1S was able to play HDR including DV.

So I thought in order to get DV, I had to connect to the TV directly. Meaning that I would have to use the ARC only getting DD+...

I understand now the confusion and actually feel better about my setup.

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Well, I became the owner of a nice 3050 that arrived last week.
I got it set up this weekend to replace the old RX-V2700.
Audio out of this thing is fantastic even though I was so excited to have it set up and connected I only ran a quick single reading to get rough distance info into the system for the 7.1.2 configuration.

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X1S just got an update tonight on the Insider Program for the Bitstream Passthrough.
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Paired to the Sammy UN75JU7100 for 4k HDR it all amounted to a nice movie night tonight.

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I was confused as to Dolby Vision not being available as of yet. My TV is able to play DV and I thought that the XB1S was able to play HDR including DV.
Just a reminder, the XB1S can't do Dolby Vision
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Just a reminder, the XB1S can't do Dolby Vision
Yeah, I know this now and was the whole reason behind the confusion and explanation.

During my research for a new display, DV was one of the check marks. I see now that it shouldn't have factored in my decision because it's only relevant "now" for streaming and everything I've seen in DV via Netflix is nothing to write home about...

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It's not about the "video processing mode" it's about the "4k mode"

In your case the suggestion was to setup your receiver as follows:

video processing mode: direct (p. 141)
4k mode: mode 2 (p. 158)


For enyoing HDR content set 4k mode to mode 1
I have some similar issues with HDMI handshake/screen flicker using the 3050 with a Panny VT60.

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When I'm done running the auto multi-point setup should I go back and manually set
my center and surround speakers to small & 80 hz? Yes, I have no sub as my Polk LSi 15
has them built in so I do have them set to large & ? hz. Tnx again.
You were OK up until you want to set the speakers settings back to "small"; no, set them up as "large".
I don't have a sub either (and I have everything set to "large" except my center channel speaker). I don't know what the frequency range of those Polks are off the top of my head (I have older Polks), but if you have any trouble with your mains "bottoming out" (since all the LFE info is being sent to them as well), post back and I'll give you some tips on how to solve that (and even tweak your center channel for dialog).

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Yeah, I know this now and was the whole reason behind the confusion and explanation.

During my research for a new display, DV was one of the check marks. I see now that it shouldn't have factored in my decision because it's only relevant "now" for streaming and everything I've seen in DV via Netflix is nothing to write home about...


What did you watch it on???

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What did you watch it on???
Vizio P65-C1 via Netflix (Cast)

Search for movie on tablet or smartphone.
Press the Cast icon
The movie loads, then it says Dolby Vision at the bottom of the screen right as it loads and then plays.

However, the Roku 2, just regular 1080p, looks great as well...

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You were OK up until you want to set the speakers settings back to "small"; no, set them up as "large".
I don't have a sub either (and I have everything set to "large" except my center channel speaker). I don't know what the frequency range of those Polks are off the top of my head (I have older Polks), but if you have any trouble with your mains "bottoming out" (since all the LFE info is being sent to them as well), post back and I'll give you some tips on how to solve that (and even tweak your center channel for dialog).
In my 5 speaker system if I set the rear/surrounds for large what low frequency x-over
point should I select - have them at 80 hz now? My front with built in subs don't bottom
out - work fine.
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In my 5 speaker system if I set the rear/surrounds for large what low frequency x-over
point should I select - have them at 80 hz now? My front with built in subs don't bottom
out - work fine.
Large=Full Range therefor no x-over can be applied.
Small, 80hz is always a good starting point.

However, you should really think about getting a dedicated sub, set all your speakers to small. You'd be surprised at how much the sound-field opens up.
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Vizio P65-C1 via Netflix (Cast)

Search for movie on tablet or smartphone.
Press the Cast icon
The movie loads, then it says Dolby Vision at the bottom of the screen right as it loads and then plays.

However, the Roku 2, just regular 1080p, looks great as well...
Ahhh, was looking at your signature and didn't see anything that supported DV hence the reason for my question.

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Still getting my 3050 dialed in and trying to get the most out of it.

Looking to use each zone without an external amp right now...if possible.
I would like to do 5.1.2, stereo zone 2 and 3 and HDMI with audio straight to TV in zone 4

Thought I had this figured out, but for 5.1.2 it shows to use the front presence speakers which shares with zone2/3 speakers.

Does it make things easier going to external amps if i plan to keep doing the zone 2/3 and move to 5.1.4 in the future? What am I looking to spend on cheap stereo amps if I go that route?

This is new territory for me right now and I'm not sure if its worth it as I have a 4 zone control4 maxtrix amp I could upgrade to 8 if this causes too much frustration.

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Is it worth it to use my old RX-V1900 as an external amp or not worth it? Seems like the old V1900 is a little bulky, taking up rack space for what it would be used for.

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Still getting my 3050 dialed in and trying to get the most out of it.

Looking to use each zone without an external amp right now...if possible.
I would like to do 5.1.2, stereo zone 2 and 3 and HDMI with audio straight to TV in zone 4

Thought I had this figured out, but for 5.1.2 it shows to use the front presence speakers which shares with zone2/3 speakers.

Does it make things easier going to external amps if i plan to keep doing the zone 2/3 and move to 5.1.4 in the future? What am I looking to spend on cheap stereo amps if I go that route?

This is new territory for me right now and I'm not sure if its worth it as I have a 4 zone control4 maxtrix amp I could upgrade to 8 if this causes too much frustration.
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Is it worth it to use my old RX-V1900 as an external amp or not worth it? Seems like the old V1900 is a little bulky, taking up rack space for what it would be used for.
I combined your posts since they kind of go together...
I think you're "zoned out" (no pun intended)

I also have a 5.1.2 setup and use zone 2/3 as "AV outs" (for analog tape recording). My understanding is you can use the setup you propose (very similar to mine), but you can't do both 5.1.2 and zone 2/3 stereo out at the same time (which I never do). I would keep things simple until/unless you move to a 5.1.4 configuration.
Your old 1900 AVR would be OK as an external amp (I still have my old DSP-A1), but I'm thinking you may not need it right now.

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I combined your posts since they kind of go together...
I think you're "zoned out" (no pun intended)

I also have a 5.1.2 setup and use zone 2/3 as "AV outs" (for analog tape recording). My understanding is you can use the setup you propose (very similar to mine), but you can't do both 5.1.2 and zone 2/3 stereo out at the same time (which I never do). I would keep things simple until/unless you move to a 5.1.4 configuration.
Your old 1900 AVR would be OK as an external amp (I still have my old DSP-A1), but I'm thinking you may not need it right now.
Thanks for the response, that's reassuring. Kind of disappointing it looks like its not possible to expand to 5.1.4 and also use zones 2/3 even if i used external amps.

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Still getting my 3050 dialed in and trying to get the most out of it.

Looking to use each zone without an external amp right now...if possible.
I would like to do 5.1.2, stereo zone 2 and 3 and HDMI with audio straight to TV in zone 4

Thought I had this figured out, but for 5.1.2 it shows to use the front presence speakers which shares with zone2/3 speakers.

Does it make things easier going to external amps if i plan to keep doing the zone 2/3 and move to 5.1.4 in the future? What am I looking to spend on cheap stereo amps if I go that route?

This is new territory for me right now and I'm not sure if its worth it as I have a 4 zone control4 maxtrix amp I could upgrade to 8 if this causes too much frustration.
Better served using a couple of 2CH amps (eg. AudioSource Amp100VS) to power each of the Zone 2 and Zone 3 speakers and let the AVR power the eventual 5.1.4.

https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Source-.../dp/B00ZSEFU94
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Have you set HDMI to Mode 1? Page 158 of the owners manual.
If you read the post you would see where I said it's in Mode 1, IE:
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My UHD settings are in mode 1 as well as the TV has UHD color turned on for HDR passthrough
What I ended up doing was swapping all of my HDMI cables for premium certified ones and that has cleared up all of my problems. Even though the previous cables I was using were high speed, for some reason the premium certified cables work much better. I am unsure what the difference is exactly but hey so far all of my issues have cleared up.

These were the ones that I purchased. https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_...seq=1&format=2
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If you read the post you would see where I said it's in Mode 1, IE:

What I ended up doing was swapping all of my HDMI cables for premium certified ones and that has cleared up all of my problems. Even though the previous cables I was using were high speed, for some reason the premium certified cables work much better. I am unsure what the difference is exactly but hey so far all of my issues have cleared up.

These were the ones that I purchased. https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_...seq=1&format=2
My apologies...I missed that. Not surprising that it was the cables. Glad you got it fixed.

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