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I have Yamaha A2050 that drives my 9 speakers well, though runs a bit warm when pushing all 9

So I purchased Parasound P5 preamp & A21 amp to use in 2 channel mode and the A21 drive the fronts in 9 channel mode for the A2050. Simply run 2 high quality audio cables from AVR preouts to the inputs of the 2 channel. amp. Then connect the front speakers to the Amp. Very simple; all processing (if any) is still controlled by the AVR. Good luck either way

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So I like the Martin Logan slm XLs I heard but my rxa2050 is only rated for 6 ohm and 8ohm. Should I look to add a separate amp like emotiva to handle the 3 fronts and two surrounds and then receiver can handle the sub and atmos?

I?ve never had a separate amp how does that work? Does receiver still handle all the sound processing and amp just handles amplification if sound?

I could use the receiver to handle additional zones so another amp would help me to do that as well. Any suggestions? I?m planning on having a 5.1.4 system and then at least two additional zones in the house.
The Yamaha page shows a 2ohm rating but it would get very warm if you play it loud.


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Thanks guys. Guess I was confused because in the settings on the rxa2050 you can set it to 8 or 6 ohm, but no setting for 4 or 2... I am talking about setting where you press power button and straight button at same time, let?s you toggle between 8 and 6 ohm.

Or am I not looking at the right setting?

As I said I?m going to need another receiver to handle other zones in the house since the rxa2050 will be used for the 5.1.4 theater system. So either I get an AMP to help with the home theater speakers or I can get another cheap receiver to do the multi zone.

I know the Martin Logans SLM XL might not be the highest end speakers and many don?t think on wall sounds as good as floor, but to my ear they sounded fine, not a huge audiophile that I can tell the difference.

If you guys have any other speakers you would recommend let me know but I really need them to be on Wall due to wife factor and I don?t like looks of in wall speakers except for the ceiling.
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As I said I?m going to need another receiver to handle other zones in the house since the rxa2050 will be used for the 5.1.4 theater system. So either I get an AMP to help with the home theater speakers or I can get another cheap receiver to do the multi zone.
Use the external amp for the Zone 2/3 (via line out)...and leave that speaker impedance switch @8 Ohms (no matter what kind of speaker you use).
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As I said I?m going to need another receiver to handle other zones in the house since the rxa2050 will be used for the 5.1.4 theater system. So either I get an AMP to help with the home theater speakers or I can get another cheap receiver to do the multi zone.
Use the external amp for the Zone 2/3 (via line out)...and leave that speaker impedance switch @8 Ohms (no matter what kind of speaker you use).
So if I leave the rxa2050 at 8 ohm, am I going to be running 4 ohm speakers like they should be?

On another note, should I use my receiver as the hdmi switcher? I would like to limit the number of cables coming out of the TV.

Did I read it correct that it?s possible for the Receiver to be off and still pass sound via arc hdmi to my speakers? Or will I need to turn it on every time whether watching TV or Blu-ray or xbox?

Thanks again guys.
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I logged on and saw that there's a firmware update for the 2050 this morning. Downloading now!
I got the update tonight as well. Firmware 2.10 I think was the number. I cannot find anything on the new download at all? Anyone know anything about this release?
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One of the other users reported that this series doesn’t get the Tidal update, so presumably it’s just for bug-fixes.

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Actually only 2 generations ago...1 generation ago would be the 3060 and 2 generations would be the 3050. The 3050 is still under warranty and has similar HDMI chipset as the 3060. No excuse...DV support should be added. And DV has been around that entire time (granted no source to transmit via HDMI but it existed).
Is Dolby Vision really that game changing? I have DV in my 65" TV (LG UH8500). Only DV content I have seen is in Netflix and I can say its really annoying. The overall screen brightness keeps changing and some scenes literally look washed out. The same DV video passed from my Panasonic UB900 transmits as HDR to the TV and this IMO, is much stable and watchable. I admit I haven't seen much 4K Bluray. OLED owners might feel different.

If we are really talking about best movie experience, we need to get into Projectors, where DV is irrelevant now. I was worried about DV too. But when I learnt 3050 passes through HDR10 data without any difficulty, I was satisfied I don't need an update anytime soon. Until projectors can handle DV, I see no real reason to upgrade from 3050.
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Is Dolby Vision really that game changing? I have DV in my 65" TV (LG UH8500). Only DV content I have seen is in Netflix and I can say its really annoying. The overall screen brightness keeps changing and some scenes literally look washed out. The same DV video passed from my Panasonic UB900 transmits as HDR to the TV and this IMO, is much stable and watchable. I admit I haven't seen much 4K Bluray. OLED owners might feel different.

If we are really talking about best movie experience, we need to get into Projectors, where DV is irrelevant now. I was worried about DV too. But when I learnt 3050 passes through HDR10 data without any difficulty, I was satisfied I don't need an update anytime soon. Until projectors can handle DV, I see no real reason to upgrade from 3050.
I went through the same decision process back when I upgraded my signal chain to 4K...and made some of the same equipment decisions as you (see sig)...and I'll go one step further: I think Dolby did a dis-service to the CE industry when they fractured the HDR standards with a proprietary format (DV) that has yet to result in significant penetration of the home market (it has done a bit better in the commercial/theater market).

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Dolby Vision looks INSANELY good on my 65" OLED,
I've watched the new Transformers in HDR first (Panny UB900), then in DV on the Oppo.
It's VERY noticeable and I can't imagine anyone seeing BOTH in my room saying the HDR looked better.



I have several custom gamma curves for my JVC including one from Manni designed to emulate Dolby Vision,
...although it's not "really" DV, it looks damn good at 120" and nearly rivals my OLED.

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I think Dolby did a dis-service to the CE industry when they fractured the HDR standards with a proprietary format (DV) that has yet to result in significant penetration of the home market (it has done a bit better in the commercial/theater market).

Dolby employees go to work for the same reason you do. They basically created HDR (as we know it) and other CE companies developed around their patents to create a fee-free version.

The reason I’m disappointed in Yamaha for not supporting DV is because DV only requires HDMI 1.4 and has been coming down the pike for 10 years. Perhaps if Yamaha explained why they aren’t just adding a pass through mode, would help me understand their decision.



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more info here, but it's a bit older, before there were 4K/UHD's out with DV

http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/hdr10-vs-dolby-vision

List of current and upcomming DV 4K titles here: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=276448



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Firmware

Still no official information regarding the 2.10 version content. I do not intend to install any firmware without knowing its content.

Regarding Dolby Vision, do we have any reason to think that eventually Yamaha would release support for it in the xx50 series?
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Regarding Dolby Vision, do we have any reason to think that eventually Yamaha would release support for it in the xx50 series?
Nope, none at all, in fact they announced it for the xx60 and xx70 pretty much is confirmation the xx50 isn't on the list.
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I have a RX-A3050 that I am using with a Nvidia Shield. Even though the RX-A3050 is set to straight (no alterations in the video signal) there is a problem with Shield when using the Netflix and Amazon apps when HDR programming is played. There is no problem when Shield is connected directly to the LG OLED65C7P. A portion of the trouble report submitted to Nvidia is shown below. Please review and let me know if any of you have experienced this issue.

HDR programming, using Netflix and Amazon streaming apps, will not display properly when using the recommended settings (3840x2160, 59.940 Hz, YUV 420 8-bit Rec.709) for Shield . Under these conditions guide data, and the actual play back of the program will display HDR programming as Ultra HD 4K. HDR programming can be displayed properly on the program guide and the television if the HDMI settings on Shield are changed to 3840x2460, 23.976 Hz, YUV 422 12-bit Rec. 2020. On this setting all Ultra HD 4K programming is listed a HD in the program guide and is played back as HD on the television.

If Shield is connected directly to the television, using recommended settings, everything works properly. Please note that a Samsung UBD-M9500 4K Blu Ray player is connected to the RX-A3050 exactly as the Shield, and plays HD, Ultra HD 4K, and HDR programming through it’s Netflix and Amazon apps perfectly with no change of settings required.
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I have a RX-A3050 that I am using with a Nvidia Shield. Even though the RX-A3050 is set to straight (no alterations in the video signal) there is a problem with Shield when using the Netflix and Amazon apps when HDR programming is played. There is no problem when Shield is connected directly to the LG OLED65C7P. A portion of the trouble report submitted to Nvidia is shown below. Please review and let me know if any of you have experienced this issue.

HDR programming, using Netflix and Amazon streaming apps, will not display properly when using the recommended settings (3840x2160, 59.940 Hz, YUV 420 8-bit Rec.709) for Shield . Under these conditions guide data, and the actual play back of the program will display HDR programming as Ultra HD 4K. HDR programming can be displayed properly on the program guide and the television if the HDMI settings on Shield are changed to 3840x2460, 23.976 Hz, YUV 422 12-bit Rec. 2020. On this setting all Ultra HD 4K programming is listed a HD in the program guide and is played back as HD on the television.

If Shield is connected directly to the television, using recommended settings, everything works properly. Please note that a Samsung UBD-M9500 4K Blu Ray player is connected to the RX-A3050 exactly as the Shield, and plays HD, Ultra HD 4K, and HDR programming through it’s Netflix and Amazon apps perfectly with no change of settings required.
Do you have the proper 4k mode set in the advanced settings on the 3050? By default it limits 4k (and may flat out not pass hdr).

On the shield you need 4k 10 bit 4:2:0 or 4k 12 bit 4:2:2 set as your video settings. (HDR requires at least 10 bit. 8 bit will only give you sdr).

Fyi: I have this combo and it works fine.
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Do you have the proper 4k mode set in the advanced settings on the 3050? By default it limits 4k (and may flat out not pass hdr).

On the shield you need 4k 10 bit 4:2:0 or 4k 12 bit 4:2:2 set as your video settings. (HDR requires at least 10 bit. 8 bit will only give you sdr).

Fyi: I have this combo and it works fine.
Actually I was on the phone with Shield support when we discovered everything worked properly, even when set to the recommended settings of 3840x2160, 59.940 Hz, YUV 420 8-bit Rec.709, when connected directly to the television. It appears Shield automatically adjusts the color space when HDR is involved. That automatic adjustment did not occur when Shield is connected to the RX-A3050. I am able to amend the color space to what you suggested, 4K, 12-bit 422, which does allow for HDR reception, but programs that previously displayed as Ultra HD 4K now display as HD in the program description and play as HD on my television.

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Actually I was on the phone with Shield support when we discovered everything worked properly, even when set to the recommended settings of 3840x2160, 59.940 Hz, YUV 420 8-bit Rec.709, when connected directly to the television. It appears Shield automatically adjusts the color space when HDR is involved. That automatic adjustment does not occur when Shield is connected to the RX-A3050. I am able to amend the color space to what you have suggested, 4K, 12-bit 422, which does allow for HDR reception, but programs that previously displayed as Ultra HD 4K now display as HD in the program description and play as HD on my television.
The only time I've seen the 3050 (or any Yamaha for that matter) cause a problem with 4k is when the 4k mode is set to the default setting in the advanced settings.

If you haven't changed the mode in the advanced settings then it is set wrong. If you did then you may have some other weirdness happening.
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Bump for those who may not know about 4K mode selection in the Yamaha AVR's

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4K Mode 2 is the Default, you may need to set it to Mode 1 for HDR (depending on device)
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The only time I've seen the 3050 (or any Yamaha for that matter) cause a problem with 4k is when the 4k mode is set to the default setting in the advanced settings.

If you haven't changed the mode in the advanced settings then it is set wrong. If you did then you may have some other weirdness happening.
That was the problem and thanks for the answer. After making the change in the advanced settings everything is working exactly as it should.
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Dolby employees go to work for the same reason you do. They basically created HDR (as we know it) and other CE companies developed around their patents to create a fee-free version.

The reason I’m disappointed in Yamaha for not supporting DV is because DV only requires HDMI 1.4 and has been coming down the pike for 10 years. Perhaps if Yamaha explained why they aren’t just adding a pass through mode, would help me understand their decision.



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Well, yes but DV support is going to pale in comparison to the HDMI 2.1 upgrade coming next year with HDR 10+ which is essentially the same as DV. I recently was forced to buy an Rx a 2070 because my beloved Rx V3900 lost its HDMI board in an electrical storm. I was hoping to wait out HDMI 2.1, and all the added capabilities it brings, but alas it wasn't to be. So now I'm stuck with HDMI 2.0 which is obsolescent. Don't want the hassle of having to sell my receiver, and I do not want to pony up for a 2080. I guess , we Audio/Video fans are going to perennially to be behind the 8 ball for ever. I feel your pain, because I'm exactly in your shoes. The nature of the beast.

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I didn't know that! It's frustrating how many settings there are and you could be watching movies for months (or forever if you don't visit these forums) and not getting the full potential of sound and picture because of one little setting.
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I didn't know that! It's frustrating how many settings there are and you could be watching movies for months (or forever if you don't visit these forums) and not getting the full potential of sound and picture because of one little setting.
LOL! that's why you have to RTFM

I think early in the development of 4K/UHD/HDR/ATMOS/DTS:X AVR's
the 2015 Yamaha models defaulted to Mode:2 Primarily for those still running legacy equipment and HDMI cables
.... otherwise they may see/hear nothing on first hookup and the tech support lines would be flooded with angry owners.

I don't think there were even any 4K UHD players out when the X050 series were starting production.

The 2017 models now default to Mode:1
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Just wondering if anyone has heard about a firmware updat for the 3050 avr
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Just wondering if anyone has heard about a firmware updat for the 3050 avr
Scroll back a couple pages...already flogged to death on every Yamaha thread on AVS 4 or 5 pages deep


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I'm on firmware version 2.05 but now I have a notification for a firmware update. Any info about this update?
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I have the CX-A5100 and decided to give it a shot. No Dolby Vision support yet. New version is 2.10. Yamaha support said it was mainly bug fix and network connection issues. Yamaha Japan is responsible for uploading release notes.
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I'm still on firmware v1.81...and going strong. It seems like many of the Aventage models got updates (across model years), but we seem to be "in the dark" as to why/what.
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I updated my 3050 to 2.10 and cannot see a difference...I don't have a DV capable disc player or disc's to check for the only update that I care about right now......DV!!
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Tidal Support added with Firmware 2.10!

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My 3050 and 1060 are both doing new firmware updates today...

3050 2.10 no tidal
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I logged on and saw that there's a firmware update for the 2050 this morning. Downloading now!
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I got the update tonight as well. Firmware 2.10 I think was the number. I cannot find anything on the new download at all? Anyone know anything about this release?
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Still no official information regarding the 2.10 version content. I do not intend to install any firmware without knowing its content.

Regarding Dolby Vision, do we have any reason to think that eventually Yamaha would release support for it in the xx50 series?
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Nope, none at all, in fact they announced it for the xx60 and xx70 pretty much is confirmation the xx50 isn't on the list.

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Scroll back a couple pages...already flogged to death on every Yamaha thread on AVS 4 or 5 pages deep
I have been on 2.05 for a long time i asked about 2.10 because i see some were getting notice for 2.10 .i have tried doing an update search via their instructions using the amps front panel but its saying it cant find a new firmware.
It seems as though its a nit random some geting it and some not .
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Drea all
Just had notification of the update and have downloaded it cat see anything different so not sure what its for .
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If there are no FW notes on the Yamaha site,
Then its just likely bug fixes for some media playback.


Its been ongoing for decades,
People just need to Chill the FO.
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