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@ellis r No such issue so far.

I will be re-adjousting the levels so that 0 dB on MV is reference. I find that the solution adopted by Yamaha may cause clipping issues on the LFE channel if it tries to set volume to meet high efficiency loudspeakers as mine.
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What should I get With MV at 0?
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What should I get With MV at 0?
you get the amp at full power - the default 16% reserve. once you go positive the amp actually amplify the signal. So that probably gets you reference depending on how efficient your speakers are.
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you get the amp at full power - the default 16% reserve. once you go positive the amp actually amplify the signal. So that probably gets you reference depending on how efficient your speakers are.
Doesn't this also depend on the levels of the input source? I find that with my Roku and Blu-ray players I, as a rule, turn the MV up higher (by about 10dB) than I do when streaming audio from my DLNA server.

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you get the amp at full power - the default 16% reserve. once you go positive the amp actually amplify the signal. So that probably gets you reference depending on how efficient your speakers are.


Sorry, I meant how many dBs is Reference at 0 MV.
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Test tones play back at -30 (75db) with mv at 0.
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Question,

I have an older, but still great, Blu-Ray DVD player (Oppo BDP-83), and of course, my new Yamaha CX-A5100.

To get the latest codec, like Atmos and DTX:X I set my Blu-ray to "Bitstream", and let the CX-A5100 do the decoding, is that correct?

I have a Panasonic ZT60 1080P display, and have no intention to upgrade for several years, so I have no burning desire to purchase a 4K DBD player.

Of course, I have a HDMI connection between my Oppo and my CX-A5100.

Thanks in advance for answering!
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Question,

I have an older, but still great, Blu-Ray DVD player (Oppo BDP-83), and of course, my new Yamaha CX-A5100.

To get the latest codec, like Atmos and DTX:X I set my Blu-ray to "Bitstream", and let the CX-A5100 do the decoding, is that correct?
That's exactly how I have my BDP-83 and 5100 set up and it works great w/ Atmos & DTS:X and all that good stuff. HDMI Audio set to bitstream in the Audio Format menu on the Oppo.

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Hey guys,


I was wondering if we should expect a Yamaha CX-5200 in the Fall of 2016? If so, I'd love to pick up a CX-5100 used or on sale.


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I am not the ultimate expert, but I bought my CX-A5100 about 6 weeks ago, and was told that the CX-A5100 is on a two year cycle, so we should see the replacement in 10-12 months or so/
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I am not the ultimate expert, but I bought my CX-A5100 about 6 weeks ago, and was told that the CX-A5100 is on a two year cycle, so we should see the replacement in 10-12 months or so/
I believe that this will be the case as well. The CX-A5100 came out 2 years following the CX-A5000 so it does appear that they are on a two year upgrade cycle with the prepros.

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Hey guys,


I was wondering if we should expect a Yamaha CX-5200 in the Fall of 2016? If so, I'd love to pick up a CX-5100 used or on sale.


Cheers,


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No. No worry at all. There isn't one coming out in the fall. Yamaha releases their products from late spring to mid summer usually. The flagship pre/pro's come out in 2-3yr cycles.

Maybe next summer.
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What do you all think we will see on the Next CX-A?
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What do you all think we will see on the Next CX-A?
I am hoping for Holideck functionality, and time travel, and transporter beaming technology
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What do you all think we will see on the Next CX-A?
Nothing too interesting on the horizon. What is there to add to this nearly-perfect pre/pro?

I'd add more channels (9.1.6) but that's like.... too much for some, I guess.

But seriously...I'd like a lick of that new CinemaDSP program simply called, 'Enhanced'.




Other than that... I'm good.
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I'm hoping for more xlr sub outputs and EQ to 15hz.
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I would like to see multi-channel music streaming support from my DLNA server.

1) JVC DLA-NX7 & Sony 65Z9D, Yamaha CX-A5200, Outlaw Audio 7900 & 7700, UDP-203, DP-UB9000, UBP-X800M2, Roku Ultra
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I'm hoping for more xlr sub outputs and EQ to 15hz.
https://www.amazon.com/Hosa-YXM-121-...=xlr+y+adapter


But yeah...

I guess that would be cool.

I'd like a dedicated transducer output on receivers. One where it acts like a subwoofer output but has a fixed volume output (better for transducers than relative volume). More EQ flexibility would be cool but I got that covered with a bevy of DCX's.
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Wireless option for surrounds and ceiling speakers would be cool too.
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What do you all think we will see on the Next CX-A?
I'd like to see sub EQ down to 15Hz.

A third sub output that can be set to LFE only (no bass mgmt) as well as a custom volume curve on that output (or fixed level), is perfect for tactile.

I'd love to see the re-introduction of MHL-capable front input, HD Radio tuner as well as multi-ch analog input.

Scene-able SUR. DECODE mode (Dolby Surround vs Neural:X)

I'd like for them to not remove Dolby PLII modes, like they did on the 2016 model RX-As.

On that note, I'd really like for them to remove all the ALL CAPS textual parts of all the interfaces. It is so ugly, and wouldn't cost them anything!

Dual-band, dual-stream Wi-Fi, which is what Denon has, should have been included last time.

A switched AC outlet or two, because "why not?" Perfect for low power, ungrounded devices like turn tables, tape deck, disc player, streamer device, or wireless subwoofer transmitter. Speaking of extra power, why not bring back the rear USB port? Even if only for power. How big of a deal could 5 watts be?

To set themselves apart, I think an SD card slot in the front would be pretty cool. Currently, a normal-size USB drive in the front blocks one from closing the front bay door. SD card slot would solve this and be more logical as a storage device anyways.

Faster HDMI input-switch negotiations would put a smile on my face. The current ~10sec is abysmal.

More detailed HDMI info on the info screen would be nice as we progress into the age of HDR. Listing parameters like current chroma-subsampling, bit depth, HDR flag, HDCP version, etc. would be nice.

HDMI 2.1 would be a logical addition (I don't care yet, but it'll bring dynamic HDR metadata, apparently)

aptX support on Bluetooth is a no-brainer for a high-quality audio experience. Relocatable Bluetooth antenna would be a cherry on top for those with rack-mount installations, since the range is so limited.

Support for front-wide (9ch base layer) and/or top-center (6ch ceiling layer) would benefit some users who have otherwise resorted to using Denon or Dolby PLII to extract extra channels.

Unpaired A/V streams is a feature people have been asking for for what seems like a decade. Being able to watch the video on HDMI 2 but listen to the audio on HDMI 3, simultaneously in the main zone. Currently people resort to analog trickery to do that, but even with analog, one can't choose any combination; it's predetermined by where they plug in the analog.

I'm sure there's more I want, but that's it for now.

BTW I think probably all of that could apply to the next gen of RX-A too.
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Yamaha used to offer triple subwoofer out on their flagship Z series. But yeah, I'd like a third or fourth output with some configuration options like LFE only and such.

15hz is good but why stop there? Go to 5hz.

Yes. Scene-able surround decoder selection would be awesome!

Extra I/O options is good. USB should be cheap. A switched A/C on the back would be nice but who does this anymore?

Definitely interested in more speaker outputs (wides and/or middle overhead) but do so please with updates to ALL CinemaDSP programs to take advantage of these new locations. Especially the wides as these would be very, very powerful for expanding the perceived width of their virtual soundstage(s).

That would be killer.
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SubEQ

For any owners out there -- how low can you EQ subs? Trying to figure out if I need a mini dsp for my subs or if buying this processor will handle some eq work down to 20hz.
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Rarely does anyone really need PEQ <20hz. Usually there is nothing to deal with. Most get along just fine using a shelf filter (to bring up the low end uniformly) instead of trying to bring down or bring up some peak in that bandwidth. Above 20hz...definitely.

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Rarely does anyone really need PEQ <20hz. Usually there is nothing too deal with. Most get along just fine using a shelf filter (to bring up the low end uniformly) instead of trying to bring down or bring up some peak in that bandwidth. Above 20hz...definitely.
Right ...I think I worded my post poorly. I'm looking for EQ above 20 and wondering if the 5100 eqs from 20 and up and that I can PEQ both subs independently or if I need to budget for outboard dsp to do that.
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IIRC, the lowest filter is ~35hz currently.
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IIRC, the lowest filter is ~35hz currently.
Thank you! That answers my question....

Maybe I'm reading into your response too much, but you say currently. Have there been rumblings/rumors that it might change w/ a software update?
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Thank you! That answers my question....

Maybe I'm reading into your response too much, but you say currently. Have there been rumblings/rumors that it might change w/ a software update?
The 5100 will not get an update regarding this. But the 3060 receiver and more than likely the next 5100 replacement (expected mid-2017) has manual eq to 15hz.

If you are serious about sub eq you'll need an external device. YPAO does not do a great job of sub eq. That said currently I am only relying on the 5100 for sub eq and I am enjoying it.
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For now I use an SVS AS-EQ1 whitch does a great job but it would be better if the AVP could do the same job.
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For now I use an SVS AS-EQ1 whitch does a great job but it would be better if the AVP could do the same job.
Just having one device to handle all my eq needs would be ideal, but probably not possible unless looking at a Dirac based XMC-1. Maybe I can hold out till next year
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