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According to that site "Update HDMI 2.0a expected, but confirmed ..."

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Do these new Elite receivers work with old school 5.1 setup? Don't have the room or urge to add more speakers to my living room.
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Do these new Elite receivers work with old school 5.1 setup? Don't have the room or urge to add more speakers to my living room.
Yes. Of course they do.
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All,

I have a quick question, I understand about the new audio (atoms,DTS X)... My questions is would I benefit from these new receivers with HDMI 2.0, HDCP, etc... with my setup. I have an Oppo 103D which outputs 4k or so it says along with a JVC 4910 with Eshift. I do plan in the next few months to add Atmos speaker setup so I guess it is a moot question. Just curious.

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The somewhat similar model SC-91 with the 8-24-15 firmware has the following in the Change History:

Ver 1-284-009-507-193
- Support transmission of HDR(High Dynamic Range) signal adopted by next generation 4k Blu-ray.

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Any chance the SC-91 I just bought from Crutchfield (literally days ago), will have a DTS:X firmware update or am I stuck with Atmos only for the future??

I might just return it and buy an SC-95 if they allow it.
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Any chance the SC-91 I just bought from Crutchfield (literally days ago), will have a DTS:X firmware update or am I stuck with Atmos only for the future??

I might just return it and buy an SC-95 if they allow it.
Atmos only.
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All,

I have a quick question, I understand about the new audio (atoms,DTS X)... My questions is would I benefit from these new receivers with HDMI 2.0, HDCP, etc... with my setup. I have an Oppo 103D which outputs 4k or so it says along with a JVC 4910 with Eshift. I do plan in the next few months to add Atmos speaker setup so I guess it is a moot question. Just curious.

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No you would not, as neither your PJ or Oppo 103D is HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2. If you don't plan on upgrading to 4k within the next few years, you could save money and purchase one of last year's models instead (eg. SC-85) and still take advantage of Atmos.
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Thought so.... Thank you
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I live in a condo and can't add more speakers on the ceiling. I have a 7.1 traditional configuration with the rear surrounds behind the couch hanging from the ceiling. I also have two front-height speakers above the regular fronts but a little more forward, I suppose this can be used as a front-height or middle-height . All together, I have 9 speakers and 2 subs. Question: With the new Pios , can I use this configuration on a 5.1.4 ATMOS or not ? I know I can with the Yamaha 2050 or 3050 but I love the class D from Pioneer. Thanks.

I was so happy without HDR...
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I live in a condo and can't add more speakers on the ceiling. I have a 7.1 traditional configuration with the rear surrounds behind the couch hanging from the ceiling. I also have two front-height speakers above the regular fronts but a little more forward, I suppose this can be used as a front-height or middle-height . All together, I have 9 speakers and 2 subs. Question: With the new Pios , can I use this configuration on a 5.1.4 ATMOS or not ? I know I can with the Yamaha 2050 or 3050 but I love the class D from Pioneer. Thanks.
Your configuration would be a 7.2.2 and yes, these Pioneer models can support this setup with the "height" speakers labeled as "Top Middle".
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Your configuration would be a 7.2.2 and yes, these Pioneer models can support this setup with the "height" speakers labeled as "Top Middle".
So id be good to go with the andrew jones elite speakers then?

Also.. the Sc-97 is 2k and the sc-95 is 1600

Other then the AIR Studios Monitor Certification on the -97 and a little more power, what is the difference? Is it worth the extra 400?

What does AIR Studios Monitor Certification do ? Is there a noticeable sound quality difference with that certification label ?
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So id be good to go with the andrew jones elite speakers then?

Also.. the Sc-97 is 2k and the sc-95 is 1600

Other then the AIR Studios Monitor Certification on the -97 and a little more power, what is the difference? Is it worth the extra 400?

What does AIR Studios Monitor Certification do ? Is there a noticeable sound quality difference with that certification label ?
1. Yes.
2. I'd say the SC-95 would be the better buy.
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cool. I guess ill scratch off the Yamaha 2050 as i get a bit more power with multiple channels driven and looks like the ability to do 7.1.4 with an external amp on the SC-95 - all for the same $

win win !
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cool. I guess ill scratch off the Yamaha 2050 as i get a bit more power with multiple channels driven and looks like the ability to do 7.1.4 with an external amp on the SC-95 - all for the same $

win win !
Wattage is basically the same. Also, keep in mind, as previously noted, the Pioneer models can only expand to 7.2.4 using either the Front L/R or Surround Back L/R pre-outs.
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Wattage is basically the same. Also, keep in mind, as previously noted, the Pioneer models can only expand to 7.2.4 using either the Front L/R or Surround Back L/R pre-outs.
That should be ok. Either i get a more powerful amp for the Front L/R or a cheaper one for the surround backs.
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Do these come loaded with the updated version of the UE22 bug?
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Do these come loaded with the updated version of the UE22 bug?
Updated version? Per the thread linked below, the UE22 error issue seems to only be affecting 2011 and 2012 models.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...listening.html
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Any word on when this new Pio Elite lineup will hit retail?
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Any word on when this new Pio Elite lineup will hit retail?
This seems to be a best kept secret.
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Do these come loaded with the updated version of the UE22 bug?
Updated version? Per the thread linked below, the UE22 error issue seems to only be affecting 2011 and 2012 models.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...listening.html

Funny thing seeing this UE22 error pop up here. My SC-67 just went out the same way about a month ago, UE-22 flashing and no sound. Pioneer replaced my SC-67 unit with a SC-89. Just received it yesterday.

I have been bouncing around the Pioneer threads trying to see if it will get the DTS.X update or not. Figured I'd look in here to see if any firmware info on these yet to be released receivers were available.
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Funny thing seeing this UE22 error pop up here. My SC-67 just went out the same way about a month ago, UE-22 flashing and no sound. Pioneer replaced my SC-67 unit with a SC-89. Just received it yesterday.

I have been bouncing around the Pioneer threads trying to see if it will get the DTS.X update or not. Figured I'd look in here to see if any firmware info on these yet to be released receivers were available.
Not. Only the three 2015 models in this thread will be getting the DTS:X update.
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Pioneer is not considering the "Front Height" speakers to be part of an Atmos configuration (and doesn't use Rear Height at all) and so represents an Atmos 5.2.4 setup as 9.2.2 as noted in the Owner's manual image below. Although note the only 5.2.4 option available is 5.1 + Front Height + Top Middle, otherwise you would have to use either of the two 7.2.4 options (using 2CH external amp) to get 7.1 + Top Forward + Top Backward.

Hey jd,

I studied the SC-95 docs but I need clarification on using the Pioneer Elite Dolby Atmos enabled (integrated up firing) speakers. I want to run 5.1.4. The SC-95 provides EXTRA 1 and TOP MIDDLE speakers outs. I would prefer to connect the FD + SD speakers to the SC-95 and not use a two channel external amp. AIUI, FD would be connected to EXTRA 1. Where do the SD speakers connect?

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Update: Returned my SC-91 back to Crutchfield today, they are badass when it comes to returns no questions asked. They even pre-paid the label. Just had to drop it off.

Now my problem is I have Pio Dolby Atmos speakers and sub just sitting in my living room by the tv stand and I have no Pio Elite receiver

Can anyone at least take a guess when the 3 new Pio receivers will hit retail based on past experience? If somebody asked me when Apple comes out with the iPhones I say September cause thats based on past experience for the past 5 years. New TVs usually hit in the fall in time for Football season.

So when do new Pio receivers customarily hit retail then? Anyone?
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Hey jd,

I studied the SC-95 docs but I need clarification on using the Pioneer Elite Dolby Atmos enabled (integrated up firing) speakers. I want to run 5.1.4. The SC-95 provides EXTRA 1 and TOP MIDDLE speakers outs. I would prefer to connect the FD + SD speakers to the SC-95 and not use a two channel external amp. AIUI, FD would be connected to EXTRA 1. Where do the SD speakers connect?
As I previously mentioned, Pioneer does not use a 5.1.4 setup per se as a speaker configuration, rather only 7.2.2 or 7.2.4.

When using Dolby Enabled speakers (Front and Surr), your configuration would be "7.2.4ch SB Pre-Out":

Front L/R speaker posts ---> Front L/R
Extra 1 speaker posts ---> Dolby Speaker (Front)
Center speaker post ---> Center
Surr L/R speaker posts ---> Surr L/R
Surround Back speaker posts ---> Dolby Speaker (Surr)
Extra 2 pre-outs ---> Surr Back L/R (but in an physical 5.1.4 setup, the external amp would not be used)
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As I previously mentioned, Pioneer does not allow a 5.1.4 setup, rather only 7.2.2 or 7.2.4.

When using Dolby Enabled speakers (Front and Surr), your configuration would be "7.2.4ch SB Pre-Out":

Front L/R speaker posts ---> Front L/R
Extra 1 speaker posts ---> Dolby Speaker (Front)
Center speaker post ---> Center
Surr L/R speaker posts ---> Surr L/R
Surround Back speaker posts ---> Dolby Speaker (Surr)
Thank you Eagle Eye JD!

So no two channel external amp required.

For those that are interested in a 5.x.4 Dolby Atmos speaker enabled setup, see the right side drawing on page 29 of: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/St...ons_071015.pdf

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To set for 5.2.4 you have to do the following:


1. Choose 7.2.4 with surround back pre-out (just like page 29 stated)
2. Go to manual speaker setting and set surround back speakers as "NO" (or use Auto MCACC, then it will configure it automatically)

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Funny thing seeing this UE22 error pop up here. My SC-67 just went out the same way about a month ago, UE-22 flashing and no sound. Pioneer replaced my SC-67 unit with a SC-89. Just received it yesterday.

I have been bouncing around the Pioneer threads trying to see if it will get the DTS.X update or not. Figured I'd look in here to see if any firmware info on these yet to be released receivers were available.

Sell it right away (as it is new, I presume) and get SC-99 instead (if you don't need USB DAC and Phono Input or Multi Channel input, just get SC-95 and use the extra money to buy more discs

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Funny thing seeing this UE22 error pop up here. My SC-67 just went out the same way about a month ago, UE-22 flashing and no sound. Pioneer replaced my SC-67 unit with a SC-89. Just received it yesterday.

I have been bouncing around the Pioneer threads trying to see if it will get the DTS.X update or not. Figured I'd look in here to see if any firmware info on these yet to be released receivers were available.

Sell it right away (as it is new, I presume) and get SC-99 instead (if you don't need USB DAC and Phono Input or Multi Channel input, just get SC-95 and use the extra money to buy more discs
I hear that, lol. The thought has crossed my mind to sell and get a SC-97, but I am going to end up keeping it. I lived with a Denon 3806 for 9yrs till I changed to the Pio. Until 4K content becomes mainstream, I'm not that concerned with HDCP 2.2. My Sony FMP X1 4K player is useless, it collects dust. My Sony X900A 4K tv is useless as far as using it to its full potential. So might as well have a useless receiver, lol. All I ever watch is 1080p content.
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To set for 5.2.4 you have to do the following:


1. Choose 7.2.4 with surround back pre-out (just like page 29 stated)
2. Go to manual speaker setting and set surround back speakers as "NO" (or use Auto MCACC, then it will configure it automatically)
Hi David, I am interested in the SC-97, and will be buying Kef R-50 Atmos speakers to go with my Kef 5.2 setup, as per the configuration shown on the Kef website as Atmos config recommendations as 5.1.2. (Sorry not allowed to post a link)

Mine will be 5.2.2 as I have a second sub.

How could I configure this, the same as above but without the 3rd and 4th speakers connected?
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