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Onkyo TX-NR636/646 vs Denon AVR-S710W

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Just wondering if one of these is subjectively better than the others: I know the Denon is a bit more modern with all HDMI being 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 compliant, I own the Onkyo 636 right now, I like the sound and was hoping to trade up to the 646 or this Denon. I got my hands on a Denon S710W to try it out with the idea of returning it for the 646 if I hate the sound. I am 75% movies and 25% music usage. I have 2x Polk Rti6, 2 x Polk Rti4, 1 CSI3, 2 x Onkyo Atmos add-on speakers and a 10" Klipsch sub.


After listening to the Denon I find my Polk RTi6 are punchier, the Audyssey calibration seems more thorough than the Onkyo calibration, but I notice I have to turn the volume much higher on this Denon unit to be able to hear anything. On the Onkyo 40% volume was enough to rattle the couch during an action film, but the Denon needs 60% of max volume to achieve this same effect.


Can someone more knowledgeable than me give me a breakdown of the Denon AVR-S710W vs the Onkyo 636/646?
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Hi All,


Just wondering if one of these is subjectively better than the others: I know the Denon is a bit more modern with all HDMI being 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 compliant, I own the Onkyo 636 right now, I like the sound and was hoping to trade up to the 646 or this Denon. I got my hands on a Denon S710W to try it out with the idea of returning it for the 646 if I hate the sound. I am 75% movies and 25% music usage. I have 2x Polk Rti6, 2 x Polk Rti4, 1 CSI3, 2 x Onkyo Atmos add-on speakers and a 10" Klipsch sub.


After listening to the Denon I find my Polk RTi6 are punchier, the Audyssey calibration seems more thorough than the Onkyo calibration, but I notice I have to turn the volume much higher on this Denon unit to be able to hear anything. On the Onkyo 40% volume was enough to rattle the couch during an action film, but the Denon needs 60% of max volume to achieve this same effect.


Can someone more knowledgeable than me give me a breakdown of the Denon AVR-S710W vs the Onkyo 636/646?
The S710 only has Audyssey's MultEQ and the Denon X series models carry the better one which is MulEQ XT. Also the S series come with a 2 year warranty vs the X series that comes with 3 years.I used to have the 646 and the Denon X1200. I also thought the same thing about the volume differences. I even asked on the forum here and was told not to worry that it is all the same it has to do with how the Master Volume is calibrated. If you ask me the Onkyo are more dynamic in general compared to the Denon units.
If you like the sound of the Onkyo go for the 646 however, if you enjoy Audyssey I would go for the X series from Denon like the X1200.
FYI, if you are planning on using Zone 2. The Onkyo comes with speaker posts for a Zone 2 and with Denon you need to get a separate amp if you use all of the main amp speakers.
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Thanks for getting back to me. Unfortunately the X-series exceed my budget by a fair margin, I am looking to spend 4-$600 on the replacement AVR. I am in Canada and my retail options are quite limited. It looks like my tradeoffs are some HDMI in and Zone 2 for DTS:X and Audyssey. If only I could find the best of both worlds for ~$500 near me.
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Denon AVRs use a logarithmic volume level such that 50-70% of max is average volume level.
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Incorrect info in regards to zone two capability denon, none of the s series denon come with zone two capability while the onkyo 646 has pre out for zone 2

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Incorrect info in regards to zone two capability denon, none of the s series denon come with zone two capability while the onkyo 646 has pre out for zone 2

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All Denon 7CH models to include the new 2015 Denon S710W and S910W come with Zone 2 capability via at least using the speaker posts (ie. 5.1+Zone 2) while the "X" series have the same capability but also include Zone 2 pre-outs as well.
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All Denon 7CH models to include the new 2015 Denon S710W and S910W come with Zone 2 capability via at least using the speaker posts (ie. 5.1+Zone 2) while the "X" series have the same capability but also include Zone 2 pre-outs as well.
I stand corrected, i assumed that since s710 and 910 didn't have zone 2 pre out, it didn't have that capability. Didnt realize they had that capability via speaker posts.

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The 646 has dedicated posts for zone 2, which is nice over the Denons. But if a pre-out for zone 2 will do, the Denon x1200 will fit into your budget.

It seems weird to me that you're in such a hurry to replace your Onkyo 636 though, since it has almost all of the features of the 2015 models. Why not wait a year and get the 646 at half-off? What is the Onkyo 636 missing for you?
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The 646 has dedicated posts for zone 2, which is nice over the Denons. But if a pre-out for zone 2 will do, the Denon x1200 will fit into your budget.

It seems weird to me that you're in such a hurry to replace your Onkyo 636 though, since it has almost all of the features of the 2015 models. Why not wait a year and get the 646 at half-off? What is the Onkyo 636 missing for you?

I agree there no reason to get 646 now over 636. That being said, if you are in states, and im assuming you are, check out your local best buy and their open box deals. I found 646 for 400 open box. Few month ago best buy clearenced out 636 for 380, thats the lowest 646 will go next year.
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Hi All,

Sorry for the delayed response. I sold the 636 because the price was right and the Denon 710 was on sale. My only issue with Onkyo was the lack of DTS:X. Unfortunately I am in Canada, the 646 is $700-800 here. I am running an atmos setup right now, but worry DTS may win the format war.
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DTS:X is not even available. Some rumors says that it will come in January 2016, but I guess it will come March 2016 for lower models. I'm pretty sure on January you could find S910/X1200 at a much lower price. On my country, X1200 it's already discounted by $50. It was available 1 month ago and already got a sale.
Also upgraded from X1000 (same as X1100/X1200) to the X3100 and the bass is more tighter that I couldn't believe to my ears. Also on high volume, the speakers have high excursion and still manages to have very tight bass, it's unbelievable.
X1000 was boomy on trance/dance music, genres that have fast and lower notes. I guess you wonder how an expensive receiver will make your speakers. X4100W made my speakers to sound like studio monitors, a lot of details on highs, I could hear before. I heard details even on bass frequencies, on X1000, was more like a blend of frequencies. Now I hear easily every dB increase/decrease on a song. Same with X3100W on bass, not the same on highs but I was very disappointed by X4100 on movies so that's why I got X3100 in return.

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This shootout may help your decision. (In short it recommends the AVR-S710W, over among others, the Onkyo candidates, including the 636, 646, and 545)

I can't post links yet, but use this google search:
"the best receiver site:thewirecutter.com"

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Can someone more knowledgeable than me give me a breakdown of the Denon AVR-S710W vs the Onkyo 636/646?
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