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Good start. I'd also like true balanced xlr connections, I'd like it to be fully dolby vision capable and EARC support would be on my list.
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I would like AV8803/AV8804 to be fully balanced (both in pre-amp; and dual dac chips for each channel), processing on all 13.2 outputs (let us have 9.2.4 or 7.2.6), HDMI 2.1 support and Audyssey processing at 96kHz/24bit. In addition possibility to have individual bass-management supporting 2 (or more) sub's. MQA would also be nice. And the source/volume control; get something that feels good (not the current cheap crap they use now).

If they want the video processing; get a good video processing chip (the current one is not very good).

Also like the idea of replacing the small round display with a bigger one containing more information.

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I believe the XLR connections are already electrically balanced. While I would like to see fully differential processing I believe it is only needed on the L/R Stereo Mains. I think it would make the product prohibitively expensive and unnecessary to do so for all channels. JMHO

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I would like AV8803/AV8804 to be fully balanced (both in pre-amp; and dual dac chips for each channel), processing on all 13.2 outputs (let us have 9.2.4 or 7.2.6), HDMI 2.1 support and Audyssey processing at 96kHz/24bit. In addition possibility to have individual bass-management supporting 2 (or more) sub's. MQA would also be nice. And the source/volume control; get something that feels good (not the current cheap crap they use now).

If they want the video processing; get a good video processing chip (the current one is not very good).

Also like the idea of replacing the small round display with a bigger one containing more information.
I agree with all this, I would go a step further with the video processing and just eliminate it all together. I would love to know how many people use the video sections of this higher end pre/pro's. I cant remember the last time I used any video processing in my preamp.

Also , love the porthole look but I find I keep the panel open almost all the time as I like to see more information...The porthole has to go..

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I guess the displays are the source of alot of heat...maybe they need to put in higher quality displays for 4 grand

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As someone who has very recently gone with the Marantz 8802A, having finally broken my multi-decade string of flagship Pioneers , here's my own wish list:

#1 move past Audyssey - go with Dirac. The downside for Audyssey is it will probably dry up & blow away w/o D&M. My only concern with the 8802 is that Audyssey is far more limiting in what the user can do vs MCACC Pro. I realize the new phone app, which will obviously be included in a 8803/8804, will allow a target curve but for me, the Audyssey sandbox has fallen behind compared to Dirac WRT to room EQ & flexibility.
#2 finally put in resources/DSP's to do 96/24 sampling!! I realize Pioneer's MCACC is a simpler EQ system but they've not downsampled all these years. IIRC, neither has Yamaha.
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I'm in the process of making a lot of major system changes along with the 8802, so I haven't yet experienced it in actual use so this list is based on my knowledge of its features, capabilities and many years of looking at top model D&M products as an option to Pioneer's top Elite models. And for those who may remember me from many yrs in Pioneer threads....I'm keeping my SC-09TX I'm integrated both the 8802 and SC-09 so I can use both with ext amps, part of why this upgrade change is taking so long

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Id like to see any video processing removed. Who needs it. A usb input to the dacs would be nice as well. A better app would be good, especially for streaming. As far as the display, Id love to see a big oled between the two knobs so that silly dot matrix display can go and you can customize the display to look like a port hole or anything else. Sort of like the new car dash gauges.


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Id like to see any video processing removed. Who needs it. A usb input to the dacs would be nice as well. A better app would be good, especially for streaming. As far as the display, Id love to see a big oled between the two knobs so that silly dot matrix display can go and you can customize the display to look like a port hole or anything else. Sort of like the new car dash gauges.



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So everyone wants this to be a big upgrade from the current 8802a it looks like. With theses upgrades what do you think an MSRP of approx $6,000 for this processor. Anything over 7.1.4 is going to drastically increase the price tag and put this the 8804 into a different category than the current 8802a.

Dolby Vision, 4 sub out puts, True balanced XLR'S, Nice Big color display, HDMI 2.1, Dirac LIVE, 7.1.6 or 9.1.6, MQA and or Tidal, eARC and a bunch of other stuff like updated DACS and processing
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So everyone wants this to be a big upgrade from the current 8802a it looks like. With theses upgrades what do you think an MSRP of approx $6,000 for this processor. Anything over 7.1.4 is going to drastically increase the price tag and put this the 8804 into a different category than the current 8802a.



Dolby Vision, 4 sub out puts, True balanced XLR'S, Nice Big color display, HDMI 2.1, Dirac LIVE, 7.1.6 or 9.1.6, MQA and or Tidal, eARC and a bunch of other stuff like updated DACS and processing


If it delivers the goods why not. I'm not sure I personally need more than 11 speakers but I'm sure many of the other features could be done for little or no price increase as the technology improves and those features become the norm.


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It should be similar in price - adding new feature increases, existing carried over tech lowers cost over time...sort of like an iPhone....
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It should be similar in price - adding new feature increases, existing carried over tech lowers cost over time...sort of like an iPhone....
hmmm

IIRC there was a $500 increase from 8801 to 8802 MSRP

If many of those things that others have suggested are incorporated ..I dont think another $1000 increase in MSRP is out of the question
I am excluding fully balanced XLRs. That alone would probably add $2000

That being said..D&M is not in the best financial position right now and under new ownership
I really doubt they are going to value price an MSRP at this time

if anything they will start high and see if the market bites
Keep your fingers crossed that the new ownership allows them to keep selling low volume products like the Marantz pre/pros

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Another vote for dropping the video processing, or at least drop the pretense that it's high end. Use it for the on-screen overlays and that's it.

What's saved there use it for better DAC's with full MQA support.

Also, another vote for 7.2.6 or 9.1.4, basically up max channels to 16.

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hmmm

IIRC there was a $500 increase from 8801 to 8802 MSRP

If many of those things that others have suggested are incorporated ..I dont think another $1000 increase in MSRP is out of the question
I am excluding fully balanced XLRs. That alone would probably add $2000

That being said..D&M is not in the best financial position right now and under new ownership
I really doubt they are going to value price an MSRP at this time

if anything they will start high and see if the market bites
Keep your fingers crossed that the new ownership allows them to keep selling low volume products like the Marantz pre/pros

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Trinnov offers the Altitude32 in a 16-channel 9.1.6 format (AL32-816) with Dirac processing for $21,000. Storm Audio just announced that their 16 channel 9.1.6 format (ISP 3D.16 ELITE) processor will soon incorporate Dirac room correction for $13,800.

I would consider a Marantz AV8803 with 9.1.6 and Dirac from D&M at half that price to be a relative bargain. At $6,900, that's still about 40% more than the current AV8802a's $3.999 retail price. Lots of margin for D&M's new owners to incorporate such a significant upgrade.

Of course if Emotiva ever gets their $5,000 vapor-ware RMC-1 to process 9.1.6 discreet channels with Dirac correction, that would be a good value indeed!
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Trinnov offers the Altitude32 in a 16-channel 9.1.6 format (AL32-816) with Dirac processing for $21,000. Storm Audio just announced that their 16 channel 9.1.6 format (ISP 3D.16 ELITE) processor will soon incorporate Dirac room correction for $13,800.

I would consider a Marantz AV8803 with 9.1.6 and Dirac from D&M at half that price to be a relative bargain. At $6,900, that's still about 40% more than the current AV8802a's $3.999 retail price. Lots of margin for D&M's new owners to incorporate such a significant upgrade.
I don't think we're getting Dirac at all, looks like another round of Audyssey. Marantz doesn't have the pedigree to charge that much IMO, nor the sophistication of cusomization (to date anyway)
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Trinnov offers the Altitude32 in a 16-channel 9.1.6 format (AL32-816) with Dirac processing for $21,000. Storm Audio just announced that their 16 channel 9.1.6 format (ISP 3D.16 ELITE) processor will soon incorporate Dirac room correction for $13,800.

I would consider a Marantz AV8803 with 9.1.6 and Dirac from D&M at half that price to be a relative bargain. At $6,900, that's still about 40% more than the current AV8802a's $3.999 retail price. Lots of margin for D&M's new owners to incorporate such a significant upgrade.

Of course if Emotiva ever gets their $5,000 vapor-ware RMC-1 to process 9.1.6 discreet channels with Dirac correction, that would be a good value indeed!
well
I am not 100% familiar with those other pieces
I am assuming they offer a fully balanced design as well as some other build upgrades that place them above the Marantz

Besides that...for a company that is not particularly financially strong and probably "keeps the door open" selling $500( or less) AVR's...would it be the best financial move to enter a product at a price point that is "close" to some well know boutique brands?
I guess the Krell foundation comes to mind
I dont think a $7000 piece makes sens for them...wrong "zip code"
If you remember that Denon AVP that I think was close to that MSRP
It was heavily discounted to sell while people were buying Anthems for thousands more right and left

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Marantz doesn't have the pedigree to charge that much IMO, nor the sophistication of cusomization (to date anyway)
Agreed...its about market and pedigree
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Something like this would be nice.....


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As long as it comes in black and has plenty of dimming levels - I'd like that too.
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I'm probably one of the few that would like a retro/silver option.
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I'm pretty sure I am going to pre-order this once it's officially announced. I flirted with the Lyngdorf MP-50 and almost bought one.

All I need is 7.1.6 so I am going to assume it will do that at least. We already know that this will use the new Audyssey mobile app. My main wish is that they offer a better microphone or support for a calibrated mic such as the UMIK-1.

What would icing and worth a premium is if they are able to improve 2ch performance by keeping the main L/R audio path fully differential/balanced like the Emotiva XMC-1, Classé Sigma SSP, and the Lyngdorf MP-50. This would give Marantz a decisive advantage over Arcam and Anthem and on even ground with Emotiva [if they are ever able to bring anything to market].
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That make me one of the few as well
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Something like this would be nice.....


http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...lPrcclUpmht.97


I prefer to watch my movies on a larger screen.

Really, I don't see the need for such a display - it's a waste of space and money. In today's world, that functinoality should be contained in an iPad app.
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I prefer to watch my movies on a larger screen.

Really, I don't see the need for such a display - it's a waste of space and money. In today's world, that functinoality should be contained in an iPad app.
The point would be for those of us who like to see input and output A/V details. Dot matrix LCDs and portholes are so 2015! With OLED black is truly black.

I need a damn telescope to read my porthole! What sense does that make?
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I prefer to watch my movies on a larger screen.

Really, I don't see the need for such a display - it's a waste of space and money. In today's world, that functinoality should be contained in an iPad app.
Agreed, for what it probably costs to engineer and source parts for a big front panel display like that, they could throw in a free tablet with an App in every box and call it a day.

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If we're throwing stuff against a wall, how about getting rid of that porthole display. Don't like it.
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Really, I don't see the need for such a display - it's a waste of space and money. In today's world, that functinoality should be contained in an iPad app.
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Agreed, for what it probably costs to engineer and source parts for a big front panel display like that, they could throw in a free tablet with an App in every box and call it a day.

First, I love the high end silver look instead of the run-of-the-mill basic black.

Second, small LCD or OLED displays are really cheep in the volumes they make them in China for millions of smartphones. The expense to add a small LCD/OLED panel would not cost that much more. The high end processor market is filled with units that have nice LCD displays. If D&M wants the unit to look like it competes with these other processors at a more accessible price point, then it should incorporate a nicer display. At a minimum, they should abandon the now-dated porthole design and go with the status display in full view instead of hidden behind a door. It could look really nice like the Simaudio processor but with two knobs:

Simaudio Moon CP-8




Of course I would really prefer a small display monitor like the processors below.


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Datasat RS20i



JBL Synthesis SDP-75



Classe CP-800



Mark Levinson No 502



ADA Cinema Reference Mach IV



Storm Audio Elite Auro



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Classe Audio CP-500



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Yes the little displays are enough. Then you should even be able to configure a digital port hole !


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@Peterc613 you forgot the sexiest processor of all IMHO, the Lyngdorf MP-50.

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When will we be able to buy the 8803?
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post
I prefer to watch my movies on a larger screen.

Really, I don't see the need for such a display - it's a waste of space and money. In today's world, that functinoality should be contained in an iPad app.

It would be very helpful for diagnostics as well as information.
Audio channels in
Audio channels out
Codec e.g. Dolby Atmos
Source
volume
bitrate


And that is just when a movie is playing - think about how helpful it would be for initial setup - particularly if you are trying to figure out why your TV isn't displaying anything or your ipad for that matter.


I'm sure they could have settings to only display volume or nothing or dim etc for people who don't want all that on at all times. Considering that a CHEAP smartphone display is about $35 and that includes touch capability, I wouldn't exactly sweat a $35 dollar display on a $2,500 preamps - whoops - make that a $2,535 preamp - whoops again - they could remove the cheap $10 one so it would make it a $2,525 preamp. As for space - I don't think the 7" tall prepro will suddenly become a 1" tall prepro without the display.
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