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imagic 12-08-2015 10:01 AM

Emotiva Updates XPA Amplifiers to Generation 3
 
In anticipation of CES 2016, there's lots of recent news from Emotiva, including the introduction of the Generation 3 XPA amplifiers. The company will debut its updated audiophile-grade amps in Las Vegas and I'll be there to check 'em out.

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The XPA-7 G3 amplifier from Emotiva.

The XPA Gen 3 amplifiers are significantly different from the models they replace. Crucially, a sophisticated switch-mode power supply takes the place of the transformer. These are modular amps—assembled in the USA—where the same chassis accommodates all the current models and can be upgraded with ease.

The new amps feature Emotiva’s XPR amplifier topology. The XPA Gen 3's design accommodates 1 to 7 channels, various power levels, and is suitable for uses ranging from high-end stereo amplification to powering a surround system.

All XPA Gen 3 amplifiers share the same chassis and power supply. Any XPA G3 amp can be upgraded to hold up to seven channels of amplification post-purchase. Each channel of amplification combines differential input, short signal path Class A/B amplifier circuitry, and Class H power topology. The result is audiophile-grade sound quality and high efficiency.

The new, high performance switching power supply delivers exceptional efficiency and low noise performance. It adapts to any line voltage between 100V and 250V automatically. Furthermore, the new power supply reduces the overall weight of the system, making for easy handling and installation. XPA Gen 3 amps can be configured from two channels at 350 watts per channel into 8 ohms, up to seven channels at 250 watts per channel into 8 ohms.

The XPA-2 G3 ($1000) offers 2 channels at 350 watts per channel into 8 ohms. The XPA-3 G3 ($1120) has 3 channels and offers 300 watts per channel into 8 ohms. The XPA-4 G3 ($1400) is a 4 channel amp that offers 275 watts per channel of power into 8 ohms. The XPA-5 G3 ($1600) has 5 channels and pumps 275 watts per channel into 8 ohms. Emotiva's XPA-6 G3 ($1800) is a 6 channel amp with 250 watts per channel of output into 8 ohms. Finally, the XPA-7 G3 ($2000) comes equipped with 7 channels of amplification, outputting 250 watts per channel into 8 ohms.

Emotiva also announced a new line of AV components called Emersa, and unveiled a significant expansion of its Airmotiv line of speakers.

kbarnes701 12-08-2015 11:11 AM

Big price hikes over the Gen 2 models. Made in the USA accounting for that?

AllenA07 12-08-2015 11:31 AM

That's a huge price hike. I've got a Gen 2 XPA-5 on the way, and don't think I'll be sending it back and waiting for Gen 3.

Am I reading right however that you'll be able to add channels to an existing amp?

Djoel 12-08-2015 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllenA07 (Post 39576386)
That's a huge price hike. I've got a Gen 2 XPA-5 on the way, and don't think I'll be sending it back and waiting for Gen 3.

Am I reading right however that you'll be able to add channels to an existing amp?



No worries they'll be sales ;) making it look like we're getting a deal.


PS


I just noticed the 4 Ch amp, it reminds me of the back in the day Harmon Kardon high end amps division Citation?? They had 4 channels.


Djoel

kbarnes701 12-08-2015 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllenA07 (Post 39576386)
That's a huge price hike. I've got a Gen 2 XPA-5 on the way, and don't think I'll be sending it back and waiting for Gen 3.

It's a shame they're dropping the Gen 2 units. The choice now is between the much lower-powered Emersa range and these much more expensive Gen 3 units. Nothing now at their former very attractive price/performance levels.

By way of disclosure, I am running a Gen 1 XPA-3, an XPA-200 and 2 x UPA-2s, all of which are now discontinued. I have had them for years and am totally happy with them.

kbarnes701 12-08-2015 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Djoel (Post 39576562)
No worries they'll be sales ;) making it look like we're getting a deal.


Djoel

You can get 10% of everything by joining their 'club' thing. $50 a year and then 10% of everything, so as long as it costs more than $500 you're onto a winner. That would equate to $150 off the new XPA-7. Still a huge price hike over the Gen 2 XPA-7 though.

AllenA07 12-08-2015 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 (Post 39576722)
It's a shame they're dropping the Gen 2 units. The choice now is between the much lower-powered Emersa range and these much more expensive Gen 3 units. Nothing now at their former very attractive price/performance levels.

By way of disclosure, I am running a Gen 1 XPA-3, an XPA-200 and 2 x UPA-2s, all of which are now discontinued. I have had them for years and am totally happy with them.

I'm not seeing this as a great move by them for that reason. For my setup I needed a stereo amp (using the AMP to drive my mains in an 7.2.4). I decided to go with the Emotiva XPA-5, figuring that I could use my AVR as a pre/pro on the front channels, and the AVR to handle my surround needs. I got the 5 channel because the price wasn't much more and it gave me a little bit of future flexibility should I need for not that much extra money. All things considered, with the pricing on the Gen 3 units, I think I would likely have gone with a 2 channel amp from Outlaw instead.

Djoel 12-08-2015 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 (Post 39576786)
You can get 10% of everything by joining their 'club' thing. $50 a year and then 10% of everything, so as long as it costs more than $500 you're onto a winner. That would equate to $150 off the new XPA-7. Still a huge price hike over the Gen 2 XPA-7 though.



If you're referring to the E-Club, that little perk is long gone. I had join a few years ago, and purchased a few things, which turned out to be a great deal at the end.


Djoel

kbarnes701 12-08-2015 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllenA07 (Post 39576994)
I'm not seeing this as a great move by them for that reason. For my setup I needed a stereo amp (using the AMP to drive my mains in an 7.2.4). I decided to go with the Emotiva XPA-5, figuring that I could use my AVR as a pre/pro on the front channels, and the AVR to handle my surround needs. I got the 5 channel because the price wasn't much more and it gave me a little bit of future flexibility should I need for not that much extra money. All things considered, with the pricing on the Gen 3 units, I think I would likely have gone with a 2 channel amp from Outlaw instead.

Agreed - I wouldn't be wanting to look at Gen 3 either. Amps are amps and I don't need 'upgradeability' features.

kbarnes701 12-08-2015 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Djoel (Post 39577106)
If you're referring to the E-Club, that little perk is long gone. I had join a few years ago, and purchased a few things, which turned out to be a great deal at the end.


Djoel

Has it really? I didn’t know they'd dropped it. Makes the value of the new Gen 3s even worse then I guess. Thanks for the info.

Djoel 12-08-2015 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kbarnes701 (Post 39577290)
Agreed - I wouldn't be wanting to look at Gen 3 either. Amps are amps and I don't need 'upgradeability' features.



The new D-Class amps look like a great deal compare to the newer XPA G3 series.


• Emersa EDA-2 (MSRP: $599): 2 channels; 150 watts/channel into 8 ohms.
• Emersa EDA-5 (MSRP: $799): 5 channels; 125 watts/channel into 8 ohms.
• Emersa EDA-7 (MSRP: $999): 7 channels; 125 watts/channel into 8 ohms.

DonH50 12-08-2015 01:06 PM

Hmmm... Seems like they should have kept the current XPA line and made these something between the XPA and XPR? I have a bad feeling they are going to lose market going in this direction. Also interesting they appear to be dropping pure class AB in favor of H; probably allows them to standardize amps in a form factor that lets them integrate a seven-channel version with less heat and standing bias current to save power.

Same power supply in a two-channel vs. seven-channel amp is going to raise the ire of some audiophiles questioning its ability to deliver full power to all the channels all the time (whether or not anything like that is needed in practice).

Overall seems like a step backwards to me at first glance...

AllenA07 12-08-2015 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonH50 (Post 39579378)
Hmmm... Seems like they should have kept the current XPA line and made these something between the XPA and XPR? I have a bad feeling they are going to lose market going in this direction. Also interesting they appear to be dropping pure class AB in favor of H; probably allows them to standardize amps in a form factor that lets them integrate a seven-channel version with less heat and standing bias current to save power.

Same power supply in a two-channel vs. seven-channel amp is going to raise the ire of some audiophiles questioning its ability to deliver full power to all the channels all the time (whether or not anything like that is needed in practice).

Overall seems like a step backwards to me at first glance...

This is what I don't understand. Why didn't they just create a new lineup for the Gen 3 line, or re-brand the old XPA Gen 2 products as a more economy line?

Honestly I grabbed the $799 XPA-5 because it looked like a fantastic deal, I could have gone for less but the Emotiva hit that sweet spot. With the price increase it kills that sweet spot.

Craig Peer 12-08-2015 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kbarnes701 (Post 39576722)
It's a shame they're dropping the Gen 2 units. The choice now is between the much lower-powered Emersa range and these much more expensive Gen 3 units. Nothing now at their former very attractive price/performance levels.

By way of disclosure, I am running a Gen 1 XPA-3, an XPA-200 and 2 x UPA-2s, all of which are now discontinued. I have had them for years and am totally happy with them.


I too have an XPA - 200. Used to drive my main Martin Logan Motion 40's with my Denon 4520, for an 11 channel system, it works great. Could not be happier. More power than I know what to do with ! :)

imagic 12-08-2015 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllenA07 (Post 39580226)
This is what I don't understand. Why didn't they just create a new lineup for the Gen 3 line, or re-brand the old XPA Gen 2 products as a more economy line?

Honestly I grabbed the $799 XPA-5 because it looked like a fantastic deal, I could have gone for less but the Emotiva hit that sweet spot. With the price increase it kills that sweet spot.

There's more going on at Emotiva than what's contained in this group on announcements. Just got off the phone with Dan Laufman, lots of off-the-record details I cannot share, but what I can say is this is just the beginning.

Dave A. 12-08-2015 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllenA07 (Post 39580226)
This is what I don't understand. Why didn't they just create a new lineup for the Gen 3 line, or re-brand the old XPA Gen 2 products as a more economy line?

Honestly I grabbed the $799 XPA-5 because it looked like a fantastic deal, I could have gone for less but the Emotiva hit that sweet spot. With the price increase it kills that sweet spot.


I was looking at Outlaw before the sale, but I couldn't pass up the XPA-5 at that price. Also, I don't feel one bit bad that my system is once again completely obsolete after just one week, especially after seeing the Gen 3 prices.

Fattykidd 12-08-2015 03:14 PM

I'm glad they're going back to the modular design. I had one of the mps-2 amps. Was basically 7 monoblocks in one chassis. If there's an issue you pull the one amp blade and send it in. No more lugging 100+pounds around..

energizerfellow 12-08-2015 03:34 PM


imagic 12-08-2015 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by energizerfellow (Post 39583618)

Yes, I get the picture. Pics coming soon.

Modicen 12-08-2015 04:36 PM

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Nalleh 12-08-2015 04:53 PM

@imagic : updages ?!? (Thread title)
I am assuming you mean UPDATES ?

357 12-08-2015 05:02 PM

Well it looks like I better order that XPA-5 G2 while I still can.

COACH2369 12-08-2015 05:23 PM

Subscribed..

audio4life 12-08-2015 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imagic (Post 39573474)
Lots of news today from Emotiva, including the introduction of the generation 3 XPA amplifiers. The company will debut its updated audiophile-grade amplifiers at CES 2016. I'm speaking with Emotiva founder Dan Laufman later today, and I will update this post afterward.

Emotiva also announced a new line of AV components called Emersa, and unveiled a significant expansion of its Airmotiv line of speakers.

From the press release

I went to the Emotiva site and there is no information whatsoever about any of this on their site. That is a head scratcher. Why would a company break big news like this with no supporting info and data on their own gate to the public is quite strange.

I'm also wondering why AVS is carrying Emotiva's water, so to speak, by spreading the word for them on these threads started by an AVS "writer" by the name of imagic. This whole approach is odd and appears to be some kind of business relationship.

KMFDMvsEnya 12-08-2015 05:50 PM

Tin foil, meet hat.:rolleyes:

Pics or it didn't happen.

Best regards,
KvE

DonH50 12-08-2015 06:12 PM

Emotiva has a habit of announcing using press releases, in their Lounge or at shows and the website catches up later.

So far it reads like they dropped the XPR line, updated and raised the price of the XPA line, and brought in a less-expensive class D line as a step between their entry and top (now XPA) lines. All speculative at this point, hope the whole story comes out soon!

I think it's great we have people like Mark who can get the inside scoop, and it is certainly a plus for AVS to be breaking the news. Maybe other manufacturers will follow suit... ;)

joaquin 12-08-2015 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imagic (Post 39573474)
Lots of news today from Emotiva, including the introduction of the generation 3 XPA amplifiers. The company will debut its updated audiophile-grade amplifiers at CES 2016. I'm speaking with Emotiva founder Dan Laufman later today, and I will update this post afterward.

Emotiva also announced a new line of AV components called Emersa, and unveiled a significant expansion of its Airmotiv line of speakers.

From the press release:

XPA Gen 3 Amplifiers

Appealing to the bespoke demands of the audiophile market, the XPA Gen 3 is all about personalization and configurability.

XPA Gen 3 is a custom-tailored component that can be endlessly tailored to individual systems – the opposite of “off-the-shelf.” It’s a reference-level audio amplifier ideal for everything from a single subwoofer, to a stereo playback system, or a complete home theater. Its unique, modular, assembled-in-the-USA architecture, means it can grow with system needs.

The XPA Gen 3 is a significant step above the Gen 2 line. Using Emotiva’s lauded XPR amplifier topology for superior sonics, and designed with highly flexible modularity, the XPA Gen 3 accommodates 1 to 7 channels, multiple power levels, and is ideal for applications from from reference stereo to surround sound.

All XPA Gen 3 amplifiers share the same chassis and power supply; fully modular construction means that any XPA G3 amp can be upgraded by up to seven channels at another time. Each channel combines Emotiva’s differential input, fully complementary, short signal path Class A/B amplifier circuitry, and Optimized Class H™ power topology, to deliver both true audiophile sound quality and high efficiency.

Emotiva’s new high performance universal switching power supply delivers exceptional efficiency and excellent low noise performance, automatically adapting to any line voltage between 100V and 250V, and reducing overall system weight for easier handling and installation. XPA Gen 3 can be configured from two channels (350 watts/channel into 8 ohms) up to seven channels (250 watts/channel into 8 ohms). Suggested retail prices are as follows:

XPA-2: $999
XPA-3: $1,119
XPA-4: $1,399
XPA-5: $1,599
XPA-6: $1,799
XPA-7: $1,999


This is great. But why not XPA-8 for HT immersive crowd? Some high-end manufactures like Trinnov just announced 8 Ch amp. It makes sense to have an amp that supports multiples of 8 like 16, 24 and 32. If Emotiva has plans to enter in to immersive DSP or SSPs, XPA-8 would be nice addition as well.

kenoh89 12-08-2015 09:38 PM

A 9-ch, or 11-ch amp would have made more sense for $1999, seeing as we are in the dawn of Atmos and DTS-x surround. A 7-ch amp just doesn't quite sit right for the type of home-theater environment today, especially for that price, when I've seen 9-ch reference amps going for the same price.

audio4life 12-09-2015 12:13 AM

One could always buy a 5 channel and a 4 or 6 channel pair of amps. Or a 7 and 2+ channel. If space is so tight that you can't fit 2 amps in your rig, then you'd probably have heat issues as well, and it's time to upgrade the rack. For the record, my above post notwithstanding, I'm a fan of this third gen release. It sounds like Emotiva is doing a serious upgrade to the line and I have hopes that the SQ will benefit. I had an XPA 3 amp and found the XPA limitations disappointing, I lamented on their forum years ago that they should be upgrading the XPA line and charging significantly more, though most disagreed with me!

The new pricing is a tell tale sign that they may be built in the US. Time will tell. Hopefully miscues that have to be retired, such as the UPA and XPR lines, will be a thing of the past. Good market research will prevent this.

imagic 12-09-2015 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by audio4life (Post 39593186)
One could always buy a 5 channel and a 4 or 6 channel pair of amps. Or a 7 and 2+ channel. If space is so tight that you can't fit 2 amps in your rig, then you'd probably have heat issues as well, and it's time to upgrade the rack. For the record, my above post notwithstanding, I'm a fan of this third gen release. It sounds like Emotiva is doing a serious upgrade to the line and I have hopes that the SQ will benefit. I had an XPA 3 amp and found the XPA limitations disappointing, I lamented on their forum years ago that they should be upgrading the XPA line and charging significantly more, though most disagreed with me!

The new pricing is a tell tale sign that they may be built in the US. Time will tell. Hopefully miscues that have to be retired, such as the UPA and XPR lines, will be a thing of the past. Good market research will prevent this.

They absolutely are built in the US.


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