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Minimalist modern 2.1 integrated amp?

Am looking for a minimalist integrated amp that is modern/up to date, in terms of:
(MUST) being able to split out low frequencies into a sub out
(NICE TO HAVE) taking optical or coaxial input
(NICE TO HAVE) bluetooth input for smartphones etc

I would have thought this was a fairly standard product these days, but generally I can only find receivers that do this. And they aren't exactly minimalist in terms of feature sheet or configuration.

I say minimalist as in I am just looking for an affordable price, basic functionality and some clean watts, dont need to impress anyone with brand name or blast sound in a nightclub. Will be running a small sub and a pair of Paradigm Millenia one speakers in a modest sized study. Not the world's largest speakers, but possibly a little current-hungry.

So far have only come across a couple of NAD models (3020 etc) but the reviews on them suggest a high probability of bugginess and some questions as to whether they run out of juice quickly and cont produce good dynamics. So I nix those, unless I get new information. But am looking for any other options.

Suggestions?
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Nad d7050

sounds absolutely great too, and has enough power and sonic virtue to drive quite expensive speakers.

it allows you to set up the crossover frequency between speakers and sub-out, too. total utter control over what's best for your particular setup. sometimes i am tempted to "downsize" :-)

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sounds absolutely great too, and has enough power and sonic virtue to drive quite expensive speakers.

it allows you to set up the crossover frequency between speakers and sub-out, too. total utter control over what's best for your particular setup. sometimes i am tempted to "downsize" :-)
Help me out here partner. I downloaded the owners
Manual and read thru it twice. I didn't find any info
About high pass crossover implementation in this
Unit. It would seem that it uses the subwoofer low
Knob on the back of the sub to control freqs that the
Sub plays. I didn't find anything about how it would
Relive a speaker of playing the lower bass freqs.

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Am looking for a minimalist integrated amp that is modern/up to date, in terms of:
(MUST) being able to split out low frequencies into a sub out
(NICE TO HAVE) taking optical or coaxial input
(NICE TO HAVE) bluetooth input for smartphones etc

I would have thought this was a fairly standard product these days, but generally I can only find receivers that do this. And they aren't exactly minimalist in terms of feature sheet or configuration.

I say minimalist as in I am just looking for an affordable price, basic functionality and some clean watts, dont need to impress anyone with brand name or blast sound in a nightclub. Will be running a small sub and a pair of Paradigm Millenia one speakers in a modest sized study. Not the world's largest speakers, but possibly a little current-hungry.

So far have only come across a couple of NAD models (3020 etc) but the reviews on them suggest a high probability of bugginess and some questions as to whether they run out of juice quickly and cont produce good dynamics. So I nix those, unless I get new information. But am looking for any other options.

Suggestions?
There are precious few 2.1 integrated amps that offer
True bass mgmt. None that offer Bluetooth that I know
Of. Your best bet maybe an AVR.

The integrated amps that I know of that offer
Bass mgmt.

Outlaw Audio rr2150. No optical or Bluetooth.
Parasound Halo integrated

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Help me out here partner. I downloaded the owners
Manual and read thru it twice. I didn't find any info
About high pass crossover implementation in this
Unit. It would seem that it uses the subwoofer low
Knob on the back of the sub to control freqs that the
Sub plays. I didn't find anything about how it would
Relive a speaker of playing the lower bass freqs.
It's controlled by the app

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It's controlled by the app
That looks pretty cool! Thanks for
The heads up. High pass filter correct?

Looks like I will add another to the short
List in post #4 .

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The Yamaha AS-801 is worth a look. You can add a Blutooth adaptor for $69 extra.
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Onkyo makes a couple of integrated amps which satisfy your requirements for the most part. The A-9050 looks like it might be OK for you:

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo--9050-In...eywords=a-9050

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The only integrated amp that I know of with excellent bass management is the Harman Kardon HK990 - a beast of an amp with lots of connections including digital inputs - plus it has room correction and will manage (EQ) two subs independently. Not a lot of AVRs and preamp processors can do that - just the XT32 Audyssey versions AFAIK - and not all of them either. Good luck finding an HK990 - they aren't made any longer and sell for around $1k when they do come up for sale.

I'd look at Onkyo's TX-8050 stereo receiver or the latest Harman Kardon stereo receiver - the HK3770. Both have coax/optical and USB inputs and sounds pretty damned good. I owned the Onkyo 8050 for about a year - used it a few times to drive my song towers and it sounded very good. Almost as good as that HK990 I owned for a time. For all practical purposes receivers and integrated amps differ only in that one has a tuner. I consider that just a bonus - plus they are generally cheaper. For bass management with a stereo receiver or integrated amp you'll probably have to utilize the gain and frequency selector found on the back of 90% of all subs made. Sub outputs on most receivers and integrated amps are most often full range. If it has a L & R sub out jacks - and most do - you could use them for preamp outs for an external amp if you wanted to. It'll take a subs back panel adjustments to tame them down. Too bad so few subs have a crossover where you simply plug your speaker wires into the sub then to your speakers. Off hand I can't remember the brand that does that although I'm sure there are more. If you have speakers that play from 40hz and up and you add a sub and don't dial it back on frequency so it cuts off frequencies above 40hz you'll probably have more bass than you know what to do with.

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Take a look at onkyo 8160, a solid amp with a plethora of "modern" features


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I should also add that there is no HDMI device or display in this setup, so the amp has to be able to be set up and operate without any on-screen direction.
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OSD's are found regularly on AVRs - I don't know of any stereo receiver or integrated that has OSD.

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Most mainstream brand receivers have old crappy bluetooth built in (bt2.0/no aptx)
and it can't be turned off? The brightplay for $32 has bluetooth 4.0 w/aptx to analog
input or for a few $$ more satechi has a toslink bt4.0 w/aptx model. Bluetooth is
the lowest quality audio we listen to so don't cheap out on it. Get the best.

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Most mainstream brand receivers have old crappy bluetooth built in (bt2.0/no aptx)
and it can't be turned off? The brightplay for $32 has bluetooth 4.0 w/aptx to analog
input or for a few $$ more satechi has a toslink bt4.0 w/aptx model. Bluetooth is
the lowest quality audio we listen to so don't cheap out on it. Get the best.
Bluetooth is not really a major issue. Am fine without it. 90% of the job for this amp will be playing FLACs from my Squeezebox.
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Bluetooth is not really a major issue. Am fine without it. 90% of the job for this amp will be playing FLACs from my Squeezebox.
That's good. Sounds so much better than bluetooth. BT is convenient and that is about all.
I always listen to music in 2.1 so I just go with a good receiver from a few years ago for
dirt cheap. The video and on screen display are nice.
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Help me out here partner. I downloaded the owners
Manual and read thru it twice. I didn't find any info
About high pass crossover implementation in this
Unit. It would seem that it uses the subwoofer low
Knob on the back of the sub to control freqs that the
Sub plays. I didn't find anything about how it would
Relive a speaker of playing the lower bass freqs.
Check out page 7. It's controlled with an app on your smartphone or tablet. You define the crossover frequency, and anything above it goes to the main speakers, anything below it to the sub out.
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I came across the Cambridge Audio SR10 V2, which is keenly priced - basically as low or lower than basic receivers. This has no digital but does include sub out and bass management, unlike the receivers without needing onscreen GUI setup.

Only thing I'm wondering about is signal to noise ratio a bit low, or is that within range where it wouldnt really be audible?
https://www.cambridgeaudio.com/produ...ema/topaz-sr10

Anyone have any experience with that one?
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I came across the Cambridge Audio SR10 V2, which is keenly priced - basically as low or lower than basic receivers. This has no digital but does include sub out and bass management, unlike the receivers without needing onscreen GUI setup.

Only thing I'm wondering about is signal to noise ratio a bit low, or is that within range where it wouldnt really be audible?
https://www.cambridgeaudio.com/produ...ema/topaz-sr10

Anyone have any experience with that one?
I'm not seeing any bass mgmt...just a note that sub output
Jack outputs freqs 200hz and below.
Just don't want you to make a mistake.

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