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Onkyo TX-RZ900 vs Denon AVR-X4200W

Which one of these receivers would you recommend?
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Although the Onkyo has the more powerful toroidal power supply, the Denon uses the better speaker/sub EQ (Audyssey) and can also expand to Atmos 5.2.4 or 7.2.2 using an external 2CH amp while the Onkyo is capped at Atmos 5.2.2.
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DENON X4200W BETTER WARRANTY, BETTER SOUND, MORE CHANNELS. Onkyo was great until they changed some key points about there avr's.
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I appreciate the input, thank you!
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OP you didn't state how you plan to configure your room or system. If there is no need to go 5.2.4 or 7.2.2, then I would say go for the one that you feel the best about. There are many that won't forgive Onkyo for dropping Audyssey but my understanding is that their own EQ set-up has been greatly improved upon. I'm guessing at the same price range, you can't go wrong with either if you don't have the need for more than 5.2.2. Shop around to "include" JD and if it was me, this is one of those times I would choose the one I feel is the best deal and value for the money.
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Look at Yamaha, and Marantz also. But Id stay away from Onkyo & Pioneer, since Onkyo now owns Pioneer! Onkyo, is off my buy list with all of theyre Past Issues with my 806!
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I can understand that Onkyo would be off your list. I had what I thought was the worst car GM could make a few years ago vowed I would never buy another one. Well I realized that sometimes a company actually does get their act together.


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Look at Yamaha, and Marantz also. But Id stay away from Onkyo & Pioneer, since Onkyo now owns Pioneer! Onkyo, is off my buy list with all of theyre Past Issues with my 806!
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Look at Yamaha, and Marantz also. But Id stay away from Onkyo & Pioneer, since Onkyo now owns Pioneer! Onkyo, is off my buy list with all of theyre Past Issues with my 806!
Unless yo view onkyos ownership of pioneer home entertainment as a negative thing, then yes. Imho, onkyo has remedied hdmi issues and will come out swinging for 2016

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Unless yo view onkyos ownership of pioneer home entertainment as a negative thing, then yes.
Imho, onkyo has remedied hdmi issues and will come out swinging for 2016

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Just wish I could find out more, about the features of the TX-RZ3000.
Also, wondering if using the Pioneer Class D amplifiers, will in any way, alter the powerfully robust sound quality, that Onkyo receivers are know for.

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with class D amps. If anything, performance, sound and reliability should get better.

I am going friggin' nuts waiting for the rz1000/30000!!!!

Onkyo melding with Pioneer is a good thing in my view. Some of the big Pioneer amps were fantastic.
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DENON X4200W BETTER WARRANTY, BETTER SOUND, MORE CHANNELS. Onkyo was great until they changed some key points about there avr's.
Actually, having owned both Denon and Onkyo receivers, I've found that the Onkyo has much better sound quality.
Details in movie soundtracks that I herd with the Onkyo, were completely missing with the Denon.
Plus, the sound of the Denon was to laid back for my taste.
I prefer the bold, robust sound quality of Onkyo receivers.
It's more like the great sound you experience in THX certified commercial theaters.
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Onkyo without doubts plus it can be configured to a 7.2.2 with an external amp.
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Onkyo without doubts plus it can be configured to a 7.2.2 with an external amp.
Whereas the Denon X4200W can be configured even better as either 7.2.2 or 5.2.4.
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I would still prefer this receiver due to other factors such as the massive toroidal, sound etc. But it obviously boils down to what your preferences are.
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Whereas the Denon X4200W can be configured even better as either 7.2.2 or 5.2.4.

Denon....for the above reason, Audyssey and less HDMI issues

Who needs 4K?... just go see your optometrist.

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At least they admitted and provided an extended warranty. Every manufacturer have his problems. I am sure that denon are not immune from failure.
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Onkyo without doubts plus it can be configured to a 7.2.2 with an external amp.
Not True..... Only 5.2.2. It appears as a manual typo being fixed. See starting from here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...l#post42687282
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Which one of these receivers would you recommend?
See this about Onkyo: http://www.onkyo.com/manual/txrz900800/adv/en/077.html).

What concerns me mainly is that Remote Gapless playback is not supported in Onkyo. This in case of liquid music on network disk is actually a showstopper .
You do need an additional player you connect through the digital input.
Regarding DENON it is supported: https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hom...vers/avrx4200w.
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DENON X4200W BETTER WARRANTY, BETTER SOUND, MORE CHANNELS. Onkyo was great until they changed some key points about there avr's.
I'll give you everything except better sound.

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I'll give you everything except better sound.
Here a review of X4200 from people that have tested both.
At the end you can find their sound impressions about RZ900.
Surely the toroidal transformer helps RZ900 in transient and at high volume, but X4200 does not look so bad in details.
I guess that RZ9000 in a good acoustic room is definitely better, but X4200 might better adapt to any room.
( hard to tell without a true test)

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Hello, I cannot really comment on the Denon receiver, but I can tell you that the TX-RZ900 is one of our best receivers. The audio/video processing is among the top charts compared to all of our other receivers. If you have any other questions you can contact us at [email protected]. Thanks, FJD

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Hello, I cannot really comment on the Denon receiver, but I can tell you that the TX-RZ900 is one of our best receivers. The audio/video processing is among the top charts compared to all of our other receivers. If you have any other questions you can contact us at [email protected]. Thanks, FJD
European publications, recent U.S. publications, and owners here have spoken very highly of the 900...nice to see you posting here and hopefully more often!

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I know Onkyo has a bad reputation due to HDMI issues but its very rare to see a manufacturer stand behind a product and help users like they are doing.

From what I've read, the new AccuEQ focuses on LFE and leaves midrange and HF untouched. If you read the Audyssey FAQ, that's exactly what XT32 does (but not MultiEQ) and is considered the 'right' thing to do. So I'm not sure if AccuEQ is still worse than Audyssey, would like to see a detailed review of both.
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DENON X4200W BETTER WARRANTY, BETTER SOUND, MORE CHANNELS. Onkyo was great until they changed some key points about there avr's.
Hello,

The Warranty on the NEW RZ series (also grandfathered in and honored for last years RZ800 & RZ900 as well) is actually 3 years parts and labor so it's not longer on the Denon. Just FYI Thanks! SO'N
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Hello, I cannot really comment on the Denon receiver, but I can tell you that the TX-RZ900 is one of our best receivers. The audio/video processing is among the top charts compared to all of our other receivers. If you have any other questions you can contact us at [email protected]. Thanks, FJD
What are the differences & benefits between the upcoming top of the line flagship Onkyo 11ch & the sistership 11ch Integra flagship? If you do not know now I understand but when you get more info please share because many of us have been waiting a long time.

I know they both will have 3yr warranties and DTS-X & Atmos & 384 DAC's. The Onkyo is generally less expensive supposedly due to "higher grade" hand picked & tuned components in the Integra from what I gleaned from their respective online sites.

The Integra has HDbaseT where the Onkyo does not but has more wifi feature sets AFAIK.

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Denon Onkyo conundrum here

I am having a really hard time making a decision. 2 weeks ago I purchased an Onkyo rz900 because it was on sale and I needed a receiver with hdcp 2.2. I have owned Denon receivers for the last 15 years. I was sad to find out that when I use both zones 2 and 3 (garage and backyard) I can only control the volume of the zone 2.. the zone 3 is fixed.. I am currently using my old Denon x4000 to be able to control the volume of zone 3.. .. Today Fry's put the Denon X4200 on sale for the same money as the Onkyo. I have I owned the Onkyo for 2 weeks now and I love it. I just can not make up my mind if about switching back to Denon and taking the Onkyo back to the store. It is kind of a pain in the ass to log into 2 different smart phone apps to be able to control volume and source when I am in the back yard. I have a carver AV 705x 5 channel amp that I am using also. So I could get the x4200 and use the carver amp. I could still have my Atmos 5.1.2 and be able to use my old x4000 for a different room or even sell it... Some one please help me decide. So far there are really no deciding factors for me yet.

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Am I understanding correctly that the only complaint about the Onkyo is that you have to open two smart phone apps to control volume to zone 2 and zone 3 at same time? Sound, power, 5.1.4, etc has nothing to do with it? If this is the case, only you can decide if it is worth returning a receiver that you are having no problems with to gain the ability to only have to open "one" app. You could set up your App for auto log in, then it would be like pushing volume on a remote


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I am having a really hard time making a decision. 2 weeks ago I purchased an Onkyo rz900 because it was on sale and I needed a receiver with hdcp 2.2. I have owned Denon receivers for the last 15 years. I was sad to find out that when I use both zones 2 and 3 (garage and backyard) I can only control the volume of the zone 2.. the zone 3 is fixed.. I am currently using my old Denon x4000 to be able to control the volume of zone 3.. .. Today Fry's put the Denon X4200 on sale for the same money as the Onkyo. I have I owned the Onkyo for 2 weeks now and I love it. I just can not make up my mind if about switching back to Denon and taking the Onkyo back to the store. It is kind of a pain in the ass to log into 2 different smart phone apps to be able to control volume and source when I am in the back yard. I have a carver AV 705x 5 channel amp that I am using also. So I could get the x4200 and use the carver amp. I could still have my Atmos 5.1.2 and be able to use my old x4000 for a different room or even sell it... Some one please help me decide. So far there are really no deciding factors for me yet.

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So I'm not sure if AccuEQ is still worse than Audyssey, would like to see a detailed review of both.
I wish some magazine like Sound and Vision would do just that.
Audyssey MultEQ XT32 with Sub EQ HT vs. AccuEQ.

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Almost any review that you read will mention how well Audyssey or AccuEQ did in "their" test room. I've used both and had to make "manual" adjustments on "both" for my rooms. Heck many prefer not to use either one. How a room sounds tends to be subjective.

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Hi guys. Did anyone do a measurement on the Rz800 or rz900 to the pre/out voltage by any chance? Onkyo says its 1.2V.. But I was wondering if anyone has a more specific result. Thanks


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