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post #121 of 2579 Old 03-17-2016, 11:02 AM
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I may have missed it on the first page, I read AccuRlex and never saw the words Advanced, though it would not make sense it if wasn't included. Went by the spec page with it compared to the RZ900 where the RZ says AccuEQ Advanced and the 757 doesn't state that.

Pioneer has the VSX-LX301 and VSX-LX101 Elite receivers due in stores next month MSRP $700 and $500.

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The post on the first page says it does.

Will Pioneer still have 2016 receivers?
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Talking about the 3rd post by zimmo.

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We are talking about two different models. I was referencing the recently announced 2016 TX-NR757 (the one you asked if they are using Pioneer room correction; Post 118 ) and Zimmo posts are about finding out information on the upcoming 2016 TX-RZ3000 and RZ1000 (that hasn't been announced for North America).

I find it easier to quote a post as it usually keeps the conversation on track, especially when different things are being talked about within the same thread. When you say you are talking about Zimmo's 3rd post, that means everyone has to go back to page 1 and then look for every post by Zimmo or could that be post #3 which was made by Zimmo?


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I was spending fews hours yesterday afternoon in montreal audio show ,but I not see onkyo and intégra there,normaly is there all the time ,samething to marrantz ,denon ,Yamaha pioneer,but this year we have just distributors for this companys.they onkyo distributor said ,not have news from onkyo or intégra for tx-rz1000 and 3000.
They montreal audio show change this year ,many stalls show they very hight scale and expensives companys ( ATOLL,BRYSTON.MOON,NAIM.ORACLE.TANNOY),many preamp and amplifiers but receivers very rare.


So very sorry but you have no choise to wait to what happen.
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Thanks Zimmo...

I guess they were to busy to build the RZ series.....

Now the news has come to us that the 3030 will have the DTS:X update.... I am more and more leaning to this machine. On the other hand the RZ series looks great. Then again the 3030 is a proven beast which left his marks on several reviews....

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Zimmo.....thanks for checking. I knew it! Onkyo has nothing atm. The lack of rumour says it all. We have a loooooooong wait ahead.

Whats this about the 3030 getting dtsx....? True...?
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Isn't Montreal located in North America? Again, nothing has been announced for North America, so "distributors" would not have anything to show that they are distributing other than what has been announced

That would be interesting if the 3030 was getting the DTSX update.
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So very sorry but you have no choise to wait to what happen.
Appreciate your effort zimmo...still possible announcement will be forthcoming with product intro in the fall.

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Now the news has come to us that the 3030 will have the DTS:X update.... I am more and more leaning to this machine. On the other hand the RZ series looks great. Then again the 3030 is a proven beast which left his marks on several reviews....
Can you share the source of this news? If, true...provides for some interesting options. Thanks!

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Zimmo.....thanks for checking. I knew it! Onkyo has nothing atm. The lack of rumour says it all. We have a loooooooong wait ahead.
Maybe...possibly...but I'll keep my glass half full for a while longer!

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If the 3030 gets dtsx.....wont the 5530 get it too?? Now things are gettin' interestin' again!

I think the rz1000/3000 is at least a year away still....

I hope I am wrong......
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If the 3030 gets dtsx.....wont the 5530 get it too?? Now things are gettin' interestin' again!
If the news is accurate, it would be a good bet...and consumers would have great options!

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I think the rz1000/3000 is at least a year away still....

I hope I am wrong......
This was posted by a moderator in the U.S. Onkyo forum last month (Feb) relative to the RZ900...embers are still lit...interpret it as you will.

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Wackid-------Where is the source for 3030 getting DTS:X update?
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Wackid-------Where is the source for 3030 getting DTS:X update?
Uhhhh after further investigation it's only 2015 models.

And made a conclusion on 3030 because of the DTS Neo:X 11.1 badge on the website. But neo:X 11.1 is not DTS:X I guess.

Sorry for the confusion guys

To make it a little bit up the PR SC5530 will be replaced this year.

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For now onkyo receivers 2016


tx-nr555 =140 watts per chanel price 799 us
tx-nr656=170 watts per chanel price 699 us
tx-nr757=180 watts per chanel price 599 us
all this model have 7.2 chanel
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I have searched a few places but can't find an answer: Can someone explain why it's so hard to push out the promised DTS:X update? Is each manufacturer the hold up, or are people at DTS themselves to blame? Also, why do only a couple of receivers of a given manufacturers' 2015 lineup get the update while the others are put on the back burner? This makes no sense at all.

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Because manufacturers have to ensure that the codex works well with their own software and hardware. Some people on the Denon forum are not liking what they had to give up when the they got the DTS:X upgrade.

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I think you swapped the prices of the TX-NR555 and TX-NR757

I wouldn't put too much stock in those 6ohm power ratings.
TX-NR555 is 80 watts channel 8 ohms
TX-NR656 is 100 watts channel 8 ohms
TX-NR757 is 110 watts channel 8 ohms

Heck many people don't put much stock in the 8 ohm ratings either since they are actually derived from only having 2 channels driven.

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tx-nr555 =140 watts per chanel price 799 us
tx-nr656=170 watts per chanel price 699 us
tx-nr757=180 watts per chanel price 599 us
all this model have 7.2 chanel
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Because manufacturers have to ensure that the codex works well with their own software and hardware. Some people on the Denon forum are not liking what they had to give up when the they got the DTS:X upgrade.
In wait way did the had to gave up then? Sacrifice in sound Quality? Buggy firmware / navigation?

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Because manufacturers have to ensure that the codex works well with their own software and hardware. Some people on the Denon forum are not liking what they had to give up when the they got the DTS:X upgrade.
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I have searched a few places but can't find an answer: Can someone explain why it's so hard to push out the promised DTS:X update? Is each manufacturer the hold up, or are people at DTS themselves to blame? Also, why do only a couple of receivers of a given manufacturers' 2015 lineup get the update while the others are put on the back burner? This makes no sense at all.
Main reason is, that Onkyo uses the Cirrus DSPs, which proved to be problematic with respect to DTS:X. I don't even know, if they are already certfied by DTS.

First ones where the Analog Devices DSPs in the higher end modells of D & M, which were certified followed by Texas Instruments DSPs in those "better" units used by Yamaha. Cirrus Logic had the most problems with the implementation of DTS:X. These are used by Onkyos and - as far as i know - Pioneer too and some lower grade D & M units. This is also the reason, why different products of even the same manufacturer have different release dates, Cirrus based units are probably the last ones to be upgraded. The first units with DTS:X on the market were from D & M Group (Denon/Marantz) end of February 2016 and have shown some (minor) bug with respect to DTS Neural:X and stereo sources. This DTS:X bug will be handled by an update in the "near future" depending on DTS, whilst the Yamaha DTS:X update has beeen delayed by about three weeks because of this. They will be next in line on (rumor) March 23rd. Onkyo & Pioneer both announced their updates for "summer 2016", whatever this means.

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from France serious informations said onkyo eventually stop sale the model tx-rz800 and tx-rz 900 to replace per model tx-rz1000 and tx-rz3000, ,not said exactly when but the new model comming but for shure this year (2016).
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from France serious informations said onkyo eventually stop sale the model tx-rz800 and tx-rz 900 to replace per model tx-rz1000 and tx-rz3000, ,not said exactly when but the new model comming but for shure this year (2016).
It's interesting why information and rumors persist/prevail in Europe and not in North America. Is the European AV market larger or more influential for Onkyo...less D&M penetration??? Though there has been a lack of public information in NA, somehow, retailers like Fry know something...why else discount the 900 so agressively??? Irregardless, I will wait for the mythical 1000/3000.

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Looks like a logical step. If you look at the latest released models. And "dump" prices indeed.

I wil keep calm... And counting the days... Until...?

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Looks like a logical step. If you look at the latest released models. And "dump" prices indeed.

I wil keep calm... And counting the days... Until...?
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Interesting move to drop the RZ800 and RZ900 after only being out for a year. I can see how they would want to reduce the number of competing products but since the 838 was not replaced, I could see a place there in the lineup for the RZ900 (RZ 800 is too similar to the 757). I have a prediction......never mind.
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Interesting move to drop the RZ800 and RZ900 after only being out for a year. I can see how they would want to reduce the number of competing products but since the 838 was not replaced, I could see a place there in the lineup for the RZ900 (RZ 800 is too similar to the 757). I have a prediction......never mind.
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Thanks to @zimmo for finding this information from the French news publication HD Fever. I'm reposting this google translation from the 800/900 thread...

The Onkyo amplifier RZ900 soon retired sales and not really replaced?

Posted by Nicolas Bécuwe in HDnews

I just learned that the TX-RZ900 and RZ800 Onkyo Onkyo be removed from the catalog in a few weeks. The TX-RZ1000 RZ3000 TX-amplifiers and replace these two models. The range in 2016 will be divided into two parts, entry and mid-range with a Dynamic Amplifier Class A / B, but a switching power supply, and the high end will propose amplification in Class D.

While this remains to be confirmed, according to my informed sources, there will be no true replacement for the RZ900. Ie no model range 2016 Class A / B would propose linear power supply with toroidal transformer. Clearly, the TX-RZ900 will remain as a rather unique amplifier of its kind within the ranges of this manufacturer and probably the best quality / price ratio of the 2015/2016 ranges. If you are the lucky owner of this amp Take care!

Remember, I published a test of this amp Onkyo TX-RZ900.

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Hmzzz interesting. It's getting more and more exciting this way. Hope the prices aren't that much high end.

Strange strategy to let the run the 800 for such a short time.

Hope the 1000/3000 will have another looks compared to the Rz900 but in the same family design Line.

And the only thing what makes me a little bit concerned. Is AccuEQ.
Still not confident with this route of calibration method.

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Every year onkyo make modification on they accueq,this year accueq adds accu reflex,see in onkyo us model tx-nr757 we have this system.

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Although not final yet, we're hearing we may have access to the RZ1100 in July. Nothing yet on the RZ3100.
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Although not final yet, we're hearing we may have access to the RZ1000 in July. Nothing yet on the RZ3000.
Any news/rumors on Yamaha or Denon. Will they also come with 11 amps?

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