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If I had to choose between the Anthem and the Integra at the same price,I would choose the Anthem every time. I think they've effectively lifted the integrated game to within striking distance of separates
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If I had to choose between the Denon and the Onkyo, I would probably need to weigh up Audyssey versus AccuEQ, but would almost certainly choose the Onkyo (I haven't had much luck with Denon in the past, and their last few generations just haven't sounded that great to me, or felt as well designed as they did ten years ago when they sold 'super-flagship' machines. Denon is also ridiculously overpriced here: try US$5500 for an AVR-7200).
Agree here as well with the following caveat: Room correction is not in the equation for me as I do not have a difficult environment...acoustically speaking...and therefore typically run with RC off. Denon flagships (5600/5800) I've owned in the past sounded exceptional whereas today's offerings (including my current 6300) lack the dynamics and punch of the Onkyo's. Further, Audyssey has always neutered mid-bass in my environment. And it's unfortunate to see the varying pricing structures throughout the markets of the world.

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If I loved DSP, I would also have chosen the Yamaha.
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From my perspective as a long-time Onkyo and Yamaha buyer (and recent Integra owner), Onkyo seem to be taking a huge gamble bumping their prices up at the same time as introducing essentially an entirely new lineup of Pioneer/Onkyo hybrids using a completely new D3 digital amplifier. In the past, Onkyo was always a great value proposition, with every new format and feature under the sun being thrown in each year, and at pretty competitive prices. This was at every level. A lot of the appeal of their higher-end units revolved around their use of huge transformers and inverted Darlington circuitry, which gave their amps amazing power and current, at the expense of ridiculous heat levels and (perhaps) overall longevity. It's pretty obvious that the effects of this design choice (HDMI boards dying left, right and centre; and a poor reputation for reliability) led directly to their new, longer three year warranty. From an old-school, purely physical standpoint, you also got a lot of metal for your money (typically 55+ pounds for the top level) with their older designs. With their new sleeker look, new amp design (with resulting weight drop) and the dropping of Audyssey for an admittedly very impressive AccuEQ, I feel like they're trying for a 'clean slate' approach, and attempting to re-position themselves a bit higher in the market.
No doubt these were huge decisions and challenges for Onkyo's decision makers...having to integrate Pioneer, perform damage control (distant itself from product issues), and develop/market new product offerings.

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I have no idea how this will play with a market that has often seen them as a 'value' leader, but the core idea of using the best bits of Onkyo and Pioneer designs to make something new seems fundamentally solid to me. Their marketing and R&D people have clearly been trying to balance their new features, capabilities, and product care, which led them to choose their new pricing structure. I imagine they are sitting, watching and holding their breath to see what happens and how the reviews go.
The recent reviews I've seen have been generally favorable given that most reviews/reviewers are biased toward advertising revenue or political alliances. I agree with a comment from @Bandyka in that Onkyo's identity has been relegated to the past. However, I'm hopeful that as you have noted that more of Onkyo's "best bits" will find their way back in upcoming products.

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IMO they have an amazing but unproven product, but careless mistakes like using 6 ohm ratings to over-inflate power outputs seems like they haven't really considered how much they will be scrutinised, and I wouldn't be surprised to see some price drops as they try to calibrate their market position. I also wonder why they decided to use the '3100' nameplate. I know this immediately put me off as a 5009 owner looking for a flagship-level replacement (Integra got this bit right IMO, with their naming). Why not '5100' if this is truly their flagship model? And if it isn't, and there IS a 5100 coming, what could they possibly add to justify an even higher price?
I'm sure in their attempt to reposition themselves and regain marketshare, some decisions were made too quickly. Regardless of corporate need/intent/reasoning, I believe the greatest misstep was the 3100's MSRP. As you suggested, a worthy and proven product is necessary to play with the "big dogs." Hopefully, forums like AVS, will aid them in making the necessary course corrections.

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Besides number of channels what is the major feature differences of the D&M range, Marantz 7011, vs the Onkyo RZ3100?

Because ironically the Onkyo is $800 cheaper in NZ than the D&M range including Marantz 7011

How well is the HDMI 2.0a /w HDR passthrough and HDCP 2.2 working on the Onkyo?
I have a Sony 665ES pj. Can someone please post a pic of the video info display is it as detailed as Marantz.
WRT your first question...see my earlier post #1163 comparing the 6300 and the 1100 which is the exact/identical box as the 3100...but minus 2 amps.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...rz3100-39.html

Relative to your second question... the advice given most prominently in these threads is...

Features YOU want/need + personal preferences + budget = Your AVR

From a pure budget perspective...an $800 difference almost makes it a "no brainer."

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Interestingly, the US market waters are continuing to seek its levels on the 1100 and 3100...more so on the 1100. I've noticed that prices on both have dropped yet again on Amazon (a good barometer). The 1100 is currently at $1799 while the 3100 is at $2999...meaning that actual authorized dealer street pricing is probably even lower.

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getting a fantastic deal on a 3100 refurb...can't wait...probably here late next week...will post reaction to it...replacing a 3030, which will be repurposed or sold...
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getting a fantastic deal on a 3100 refurb...can't wait...probably here late next week...will post reaction to it...replacing a 3030, which will be repurposed or sold...
Congrats! Saw your posts in the 3030 thread...thought you would have gone with the 1100 + amp as others suggested. The 1100 and the 3100 are identical except for 2 additional built in amps in 3100. Currently, a new 1100 + 2 Ch amp will easily street in the neighborhood of $1500 - $1600 depending on amp choice. So far we have some initial comparison impressions from @zimmo Looking forward to your impressions between the 3030 and 3100 especially in the mid bass regions where legendary Onkyo's excel in dynamics and punch attributed to beefy amps and power supplies.
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getting a fantastic deal on a 3100 refurb...can't wait...probably here late next week...will post reaction to it...replacing a 3030, which will be repurposed or sold...
What is a fantastic deal? If you don't mind me asking

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Looking forward to your impressions between the 3030 and 3100 especially in the mid bass regions where legendary Onkyo's excel in dynamics and punch attributed to beefy amps and power supplies.
But what if we hookup external amp?
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Congrats! Saw your posts in the 3030 thread...thought you would have gone with the 1100 + amp as others suggested. The 1100 and the 3100 are identical except for 2 additional built in amps in 3100. Currently, a new 1100 + 2 Ch amp will easily street in the neighborhood of $1500 - $1600 depending on amp choice. So far we have some initial comparison impressions from @zimmo Looking forward to your impressions between the 3030 and 3100 especially in the mid bass regions where legendary Onkyo's excel in dynamics and punch attributed to beefy amps and power supplies.
was seriously considering the 1100 with an external amp, but was made an offer on the 3100 I couldn't refuse and I'd prefer a single box..running 4k through the Onkyo instead of the TV will simplify things, and the ability to stream Tidal through the receiver is great too...I love the 3030 and almost feel guilty about replacing it so soon, but the 3100 is the one I wanted originally. It will probably end up in the basement studio replacing an ancient but still great Tx-SR805...it's only a 5.1 system down there though. I'll add that I think the 3030 is a great receiver with great sound. Not having dtx-s and the ability to pass HDR and only one 4K HDMI input were issues, but not insurmountable ones, all with relatively easy workarounds (with the exception of getting sound from the Samsung 4K Blu Ray-eventually figured out, but not without a ton of aggravation-worked immediately with an RZ900)...I don't have golden ears so my observations about sound quality will be more generalized, but with only a few exceptions, I have always loved Onkyo SQ and have been buying their products for over 40 years.
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But what if we hookup external amp?
Historically, Onkyo's robust "internal" power supplies (large caps and toroidal transformers) were credited with the legendary Onkyo dynamic, punchy, and powerful sound qualities many of us like, remember, and would like to retain. Unfortunately, with Pioneer's integration, it appears these design elements/parameters have been relegated to the past in favor of more efficient and cooler running designs. It's understandable why this occurred but nevertheless some of Onkyo's desireable SQ has been lost. Now this scenario is relative to a single chassis solution. If we consider a two box solution, perhaps a mating with the right external amp could possibly deliver/recover Onkyo's classic SQ. Although, I personally am not looking for a two box solution at this time, I would challenge you and others to perhaps experiment.

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was seriously considering the 1100 with an external amp, but was made an offer on the 3100 I couldn't refuse and I'd prefer a single box..running 4k through the Onkyo instead of the TV will simplify things, and the ability to stream Tidal through the receiver is great too...I love the 3030 and almost feel guilty about replacing it so soon, but the 3100 is the one I wanted originally. It will probably end up in the basement studio replacing an ancient but still great Tx-SR805...it's only a 5.1 system down there though. I'll add that I think the 3030 is a great receiver with great sound. Not having dtx-s and the ability to pass HDR and only one 4K HDMI input were issues, but not insurmountable ones, all with relatively easy workarounds (with the exception of getting sound from the Samsung 4K Blu Ray-eventually figured out, but not without a ton of aggravation-worked immediately with an RZ900)...I don't have golden ears so my observations about sound quality will be more generalized, but with only a few exceptions, I have always loved Onkyo SQ and have been buying their products for over 40 years.
I concur and looking forward to your impressions!
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was seriously considering the 1100 with an external amp, but was made an offer on the 3100 I couldn't refuse and I'd prefer a single box..running 4k through the Onkyo instead of the TV will simplify things, and the ability to stream Tidal through the receiver is great too...I love the 3030 and almost feel guilty about replacing it so soon, but the 3100 is the one I wanted originally. It will probably end up in the basement studio replacing an ancient but still great Tx-SR805...it's only a 5.1 system down there though. I'll add that I think the 3030 is a great receiver with great sound. Not having dtx-s and the ability to pass HDR and only one 4K HDMI input were issues, but not insurmountable ones, all with relatively easy workarounds (with the exception of getting sound from the Samsung 4K Blu Ray-eventually figured out, but not without a ton of aggravation-worked immediately with an RZ900)...I don't have golden ears so my observations about sound quality will be more generalized, but with only a few exceptions, I have always loved Onkyo SQ and have been buying their products for over 40 years.
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I concur and looking forward to your impressions!
Earlier, I did a comparison of the 1100 with current Denons and found that both were a bit more subdued in the mid bass frequencies...lacking the dynamics and punch of older Onkyo's...ie. 636/805/809...with the Denon's even more subdued. I suspect that with the 1100 and 3100 that this is due to the class D amps and non toroidal power supplies. Because I can't speak for the 1030 and 3030, I am looking forward to your findings and impressions. So far, only two of our thread participants are known to have audition the 3100.. @PeterTHX who did not care at all for the 3100's bass management and ultimately purchased a Denon 6300 and @zimmo (also a 3030 owner) who's tastes appear to be divided equally between music and cinema and found the 3100 acceptable for both but did not make a purchase commitment. It is for these reasons I look forward to your findings and impressions.
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Earlier, I did a comparison of the 1100 with current Denons and found that both were a bit more subdued in the mid bass frequencies...lacking the dynamics and punch of older Onkyo's...ie. 636/805/809...with the Denon's even more subdued. I suspect that with the 1100 and 3100 that this is due to the class D amps and non toroidal power supplies. Because I can't speak for the 1030 and 3030, I am looking forward to your findings and impressions. So far, only two of our thread participants are known to have audition the 3100.. @PeterTHX who did not care at all for the 3100's bass management and ultimately purchased a Denon 6300 and @zimmo (also a 3030 owner) who's tastes appear to be divided equally between music and cinema and found the 3100 acceptable for both but did not make a purchase commitment. It is for these reasons I look forward to your findings and impressions.
Is it possible that this might be the Pioneer Elite sound signature?
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Is it possible that this might be the Pioneer Elite sound signature?
wondering if it would be crazy to keep the 3030 to power the front L and R Klipsch Reference 7 II' s and let the 3100 do the rest of the speakers in a 7.1.4 system...KR 7 II's arrived yesterday and the sound is spectacular through the 3030. Also very much looking forward to running the Roku and Samsung BR through the 3100 instead of the TV...3100 should be here in a week or so..will be happy to respond to your query, but I don't have deep technical knowledge with which to provide accurate descriptions, not at all...
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Is it possible that this might be the Pioneer Elite sound signature?
take a look at this...it can be translated with Google...calls it the best sounding receiver they have ever tested...http://www.areadvd.de/tests/xxl-test...aller-klassen/
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For shur they onkyo tx-rz 3100 is the best recever av whit anthem 1120 but the price is very expensif and big difference price whit tx-rz 1100 but now some place find the model tx-rz3100 whit less price you need check in news papers and internet .


But between they onkyo sound and pioneer sound very difference sound because the dac Inside is not same 3100 have ASK and pionner have SABRE that very big difference.

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How do you connect your buttkicker to Onkyo? Via one of the sub output?
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the model onkyo 3030 have in the préout 4 places for 4 subs but I have 4 subs and buttkicker ,I collect in the top whit splitter in side left sub in lfe and sub left back in lfe,after right side samething splitter one side right sub in lfe and other back sub in lfe.


Now for your question is very simple I have 2 more inter sub , I take right side buttom préout sub,wire buttkicker go to Inside line lever input amplifier buttkicker and 2 speakers one white and one red but big one to piston in chair .

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Is it possible that this might be the Pioneer Elite sound signature?
I have not heard recent Pioneer's to comment but there is a strong likely hood that Pioneer amps and power supplies have influenced the SQ of Onkyo's newest offerings.

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wondering if it would be crazy to keep the 3030 to power the front L and R Klipsch Reference 7 II' s and let the 3100 do the rest of the speakers in a 7.1.4 system...KR 7 II's arrived yesterday and the sound is spectacular through the 3030.
Since you will have both, I would not hesitate to try driving the RF 7II's with the 3030 and then the 3100. And then, as you suggest, using the 3030 for the L & R of the 3100...can't hurt to experiment and you'll no longer have to wonder. I also have the RF 7II's and because they are so efficient, I highly doubt they would benefit from using the 3030 for the front stage. I am currently driving my RF 7II's in a 5.2.2 system with an Onkyo TX-NR636 (95 watts) with no issue at all. In fact, the 636 actually sounds better in terms of clarity, dynamics, and punch compared to the Denon X6300H that I had. From a pure SQ perspective only, I would guess (based on my experience with the 1100) that 3100 does not quite match the SQ of the 3030. IMO, the only advantage the 3100 has is DTS:X and 4K. Also IMO, it does not earn its MSRP...but does for the deal that you received. If the 3100's SQ were as good as the German review indicated, it would have been echoed by many other reviews. But again, SQ is very subjective and YMMV.

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Also very much looking forward to running the Roku and Samsung BR through the 3100 instead of the TV...3100 should be here in a week or so..will be happy to respond to your query, but I don't have deep technical knowledge with which to provide accurate descriptions, not at all...
Not looking for technical information...but rather your subjective findings and impressions. We understand the the 3100 will provide the features lacking (DTS:X and 4K inputs) in the 3030 but if this were a blind test of SQ only....how would each fare in your opinion?
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Since you will have both, I would not hesitate to try driving the RF 7II's with the 3030 and then the 3100. And then, as you suggest, using the 3030 for the L & R of the 3100...can't hurt to experiment and you'll no longer have to wonder. I also have the RF 7II's and because they are so efficient, I highly doubt they would benefit from using the 3030 for the front stage. I am currently driving my RF 7II's in a 5.2.2 system with an Onkyo TX-NR636 (95 watts) with no issue at all. In fact, the 636 actually sounds better in terms of clarity, dynamics, and punch compared to the Denon X6300H that I had. From a pure SQ perspective only, I would guess (based on my experience with the 1100) that 3100 does not quite match the SQ of the 3030. IMO, the only advantage the 3100 has is DTS:X and 4K. Also IMO, it does not earn its MSRP...but does for the deal that you received. If the 3100's SQ were as good as the German review indicated, it would have been echoed by many other reviews. But again, SQ is very subjective and YMMV.



Not looking for technical information...but rather your subjective findings and impressions. We understand the the 3100 will provide the features lacking (DTS:X and 4K inputs) in the 3030 but if this were a blind test of SQ only....how would each fare in your opinion?
thanks Gene...will keep that 3030 in range of the 3100 when it arrives...btw, I love those new Klipsch rf7II's...tremendous upgrade compared to the rf-82's that were there....and the sq on the 3030 is amazing...not sure how this is going to work out...
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thanks Gene...will keep that 3030 in range of the 3100 when it arrives...btw, I love those new Klipsch rf7II's...tremendous upgrade compared to the rf-82's that were there....and the sq on the 3030 is amazing...not sure how this is going to work out...
A bit OT...but I also made the jump from the 82's to the 7's...an absolute no brainer! You might want to visit the Klipsch owner's thread as well...lot of great folks over there...many current model as well as legacy owners!

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A bit OT...but I also made the jump from the 82's to the 7's...an absolute no brainer! You might want to visit the Klipsch owner's thread as well...lot of great folks over there...many current model as well as legacy owners!

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I usually listen to music while working in the studio but we have been listening more seriously since the rf-7II's arrived...an entirely different world compared to what we had...the rf-82's are now in the studio and are perfect there...
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I have the 110p with a second rx for amp on the top rear 2 channels. Came from a TX no 747. Sounds as good if not better.

The extra channels are awesome and the sound is near perfect. I listen to a lot of Pandora through the 1100 and its the best way to get an idea of how good it can be.

The 1100 and 3300 have newer software also and work with the newest phone app.

I'm not into the remote, though. It doesn't seem to be universal and I've found no way to program it. I liked having the ability to use the dish with the old one at times but I guess I'll do without.

Took me a while to get the adjustments set up because accusound is like having some guy come in your house to tell you what sounds good.

The background on screen displays are much nicer as well.
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I have the 110p with a second rx for amp on the top rear 2 channels. Came from a TX no 747. Sounds as good if not better.

The extra channels are awesome and the sound is near perfect. I listen to a lot of Pandora through the 1100 and its the best way to get an idea of how good it can be.

The 1100 and 3300 have newer software also and work with the newest phone app.

I'm not into the remote, though. It doesn't seem to be universal and I've found no way to program it. I liked having the ability to use the dish with the old one at times but I guess I'll do without.

Took me a while to get the adjustments set up because accusound is like having some guy come in your house to tell you what sounds good.

The background on screen displays are much nicer as well.
Congrats and happy the 1100 meets your needs and expectations. Just curious, music appears to be a large part of your listening...wondering if movies are important for you and if you have sub(s). I personally found that the 1100 falls a bit short for movies in the mid-bass region (50Hz-120Hz). Compared to legacy Onkyo's, the 1100 lacks the dynamics, authority, and punch that were trademarks of the pre-Pioneer Onkyo's.

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I have an 8" sub and the low end seems to be overbearing, bottoming out the sub so I keep it down.

The music needs more bass so the settings are raised a bit for music on mine.

It seems all movies are way over the top with explosions and the like. That may be in the below 50hz region but it's annoying to me.

I should probably go to a set of 15s to be able to adjust better with no distortion but haven't done so yet. I will eventually.

It's hard to say if the midbass is lacking from my previous unit. You can always equalize that up some if you need it.

I'm most interested in atmos surround and the immersion of it. I'm running 7.1.4 and don't think I'll need more than that.

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I have an 8" sub and the low end seems to be overbearing, bottoming out the sub so I keep it down.
May I suggest minimally a 12" sub upgrade...larger if you have a large room. There are many that are capable of exceptionally clean and tight bass for music (at or slightly below 40Hz...ie. bass guitar, kick drums, organ) without stress and bottoming out. Subs of this quality are never "overbearing," just very clean and tight...regardless of volume level. Once you've experienced and achieved this level of bass, you'll wonder why you've waited and never look back.

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It seems all movies are way over the top with explosions and the like. That may be in the below 50hz region but it's annoying to me.
Admittedly, I'm predominantly a movie person and definitely a bass fan. Movie bass fanatics live under 40Hz, 20Hz, to inaudibility to 10Hz and even down to 5Hz...yes these frequencies (felt not heard) exist in some movies...and are not at all annoying or irritating but very lifelike and clean with capable subs. My earlier reference to mid-bass is actually in the realm of 60Hz - 120Hz where there is a lot of tactile feedback that movie fans prefer. And as I mentioned, in auditioning the 1100, I found it had less of the power, authority, and punch that was present in my earlier 805 and 809. In fact, I'm currently temporarily using my 636 which actually delivers what I found missing in the 1100. For music fans, I have no doubt that the 1100/3100 offers very clean, clear, and crisp SQ. For movie applications, I prefer the greater dynamics and authority that was present in legacy Onkyo pieces.

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I'm most interested in atmos surround and the immersion of it. I'm running 7.1.4 and don't think I'll need more than that.
100% agree...I was running a 7.2.4 configuration with a Denon X6300H but found the Denon even more lacking than the 1100 wrt to dynamics and authority. Meanwhile, I've returned to my 636 (5.2.2) and awaiting Onkyo's 2017 flagship offerings later this year.

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Hey guys

Thinking of picking up the 3100 and was wondering if you can use the zone 2 rca outs and the line outs at the same time? I was thinking of using the height channels for zone 2 and 3, but I have more than 3 zones and I'm fine with duplicating the sound in other rooms. I really like the idea of being able to use those height channels for zones. This isn't for a theater room, but for a family room with surround sound, but probably never use it like that since they previous owner did a funky layout.
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Hey guys

Thinking of picking up the 3100 and was wondering if you can use the zone 2 rca outs and the line outs at the same time? I was thinking of using the height channels for zone 2 and 3, but I have more than 3 zones and I'm fine with duplicating the sound in other rooms. I really like the idea of being able to use those height channels for zones. This isn't for a theater room, but for a family room with surround sound, but probably never use it like that since they previous owner did a funky layout.
Yes you can, in fact I am. I have an 11.2 system so on my front pre outs I am using them for my front wides. I had them set as bi-amp using the height pre outs but it wouldn't work in the setup to have when in stereo. That is fine because the pre-fronts work great. So I would think you could use those too. This is on my 1100, but only difference is the extra amp channel on the 3100
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A bit OT...but I also made the jump from the 82's to the 7's...an absolute no brainer! You might want to visit the Klipsch owner's thread as well...lot of great folks over there...many current model as well as legacy owners!

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-spe...read-1723.html
the 3100 is in the house and set up. The sound is clean, and precise and spectacular when listening to a Mozart CD through a Samsung 4k Blu Ray player. I'm not sure it's not cleaner than the 3030, which is also very good. I love this receiver so far. I have not run any other source material through it yet and will respond further if there are any issues. It's a pleasure to connect all my components to the AVR instead of the TV for a change.

UPDATE...sound is a little shrill compared to the 3030 when accessing music through Tidal...cannot figure out how to use an external receiver as a power amp for the front two channels...have an 805 with multi channel inputs but don't know how to connect and make it work...any help appreciated...tried to use the 3030 to power front LR, also to no avail...

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