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I have the RZ800 and was going to get the RZ900 but with these 2 right around the corner I might as well wait for the newer model.

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It's coming. The question to ask is if they will have the DTS:X software by then.
Considering the new lower level "RZ" models will not come pre-loaded with DTS:X, doubtful the 1100/3100 will either unless their release is delayed to the fall.
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That sounds like a good plan, especially if you have another room to use that RZ800 in.

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I have the RZ800 and was going to get the RZ900 but with these 2 right around the corner I might as well wait for the newer model.

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I dont know ,before whit the model tx-nr1000 and tx-nr3000 suppose comming whit class D ,I hop less heavy pound and less heating but more strong ,but whit the model tx-rz1100 and tx-rz3100 not to mutch informations ,will see.

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Weight and quality goes hand in hand in this business so you can expect it to be heavy or heavier. The bulkier the better in my books for an AVR.

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What could be "PC setup" as a feature on the '10 series?

http://rzseries.onkyousa.com/compare/
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What could be "PC setup" as a feature on the '10 series?

http://rzseries.onkyousa.com/compare/
Using your PC's browser to link to the IP address of the AVR to access its menus.
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Weight and quality goes hand in hand in this business so you can expect it to be heavy or heavier. The bulkier the better in my books for an AVR.
Yes heavy is right! The current Integra 70.6 that will be replaced by a new model soon as well weighs in at a hefty 47.4lbs. & its current sistership Onkyo NR-3030 at even more @ 48.5lbs.

I'd imagine the new model TX-RZ3100 will carry some decent weight too.

AFAIK a AVR that actually has 11ch all self powered is hard to find except the 2 aforementioned and the Anthem 1120. But it only has 140 x 5 and 60 x 4 whereas Onkyo & Integra power all channels @ 130 or so equally. Plus they are less expensive than the Anthem = a no brainer.

Originally I was going to go with a wa7200 last year but the idea of 2 box counts & remotes & some of the posts stating their 2nd AMP to power the 2 or 4 height channels made some popping noises caused me to think one box count instead would be ideal.

Why Marantz or Denon & the rest do not make a 11ch AVR with 11 AMPS in one box count to compete especially with DTX-X & Atmos is beyond me. IMO

Alas I have had 11 speakers setup since mid 2015 awaiting a AVR. Looks like Summer will be the time finally. Although I could get their current models but why give up DTS-X & whatever other creature features their mad scientists come up with so close to a new product launch that will be relatively the same price?

Good to see they bumped the warranties to 3 years. With Onkyo & Integra new models due out soon with who knows what full feature sets and the prior warranty gap gone it will be more discerning to see how they compare.

With their lower end models TX-RZ710 and RZ810 having THX Select2 Plus-certified & low end signal capability down to 5Hz there is no reason not to expect the flagship TX-RZ3100 not having the same too.

Info link: http://www.whathifi.com/news/onkyo-a...-certification

I'll wait a month or two & let Onkyo & Integra battle it out for my buks np.

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Weight and quality goes hand in hand in this business so you can expect it to be heavy or heavier. The bulkier the better in my books for an AVR.

Yeah but going to class d amps will also change the weight. So heavier is not necessarily better. I mean they can make the whole thing out of stainless steel if you wish.
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I have a X2200 and recently tried a 5.1.2 setup. And now I want more so I'm waiting for the RZ3100 to build a 7.1.4 setup


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WHEN you have class D your machine is less pound because the matériels Inside is better quality but you can put more power and we have less heating ,they model tx-nr1000 and tx-nr3000 suppose like that but now is make announcement to comming whit new model to this summer model onkyo receiver avr tx-rz1100 9.2 chanels and tx-rz3100 whit 11.2 chanels but no give mores informations,will see eventually.

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In late December, European publications (France & Germany) reported rumors of Onkyo possibly announcing at CES 2016 new flagship AVR's replacing current TX-NR1030 and TX-NR3030 models. I have not seen or read of any CES announcements in this regard. I did however come across this today in what appears to be a Polish publication. I obviously cannot substantiate its validity.

https://translate.google.com/transla...0/&prev=search
Hello, For Onkyo products in the United States we have posted a press release on the website. I have provided a link to it. http://www.onkyousa.com/Info/pressreleases.php

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AFAIK a AVR that actually has 11ch all self powered is hard to find except the 2 aforementioned and the Anthem 1120. But it only has 140 x 5 and 60 x 4 whereas Onkyo & Integra power all channels @ 130 or so equally. Plus they are less expensive than the Anthem = a no brainer.
Unless you live in an auditorium, how much power do you really need?
The Anthem 1120 has better build quality and there receivers have proven to be very reliable.
The 1120 comes with one of the best, if not the best, calibration system of any receiver on the market.
The exception being maybe the Arcam, which comes with Dirac.
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Can't wait for he first reviews to emerge. When will Onkyo hand out test units for reviewing to major players in the field?

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Would be nice to define "later this year" begin summer? End fall? Christmas?

And a sneak preview of the front of the device will temper our impatience a bit.

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Unless you live in an auditorium, how much power do you really need?
The Anthem 1120 has better build quality and there receivers have proven to be very reliable.
The 1120 comes with one of the best, if not the best, calibration system of any receiver on the market.
The exception being maybe the Arcam, which comes with Dirac.
coolcat4843 I appreciate your info & respect your opinion. For me though my priorities are different in what I need. My room is 17' x 27'. Most of today's current flagship AVR's will suffice in calibration very well. For my purpose I am leaning towards more of a AVR pwr balance when I run 11ch stereo since all my speakers including the 4 heights can easily handle 130 + watts, and / or the DTS-X / Atmos various 11ch sound fields.

THX® Select2™ Plus-certified is a bonus.

Link: http://www.onkyousa.com/Info/pressreleases.php

As far as power goes, we all know any AVR listing power ratings will not 100% give said power to the speaker's continuous.

Both the upcoming Onkyo & Integra flagship check all spec boxes needed in a 2016 model AVR in one box count + the price is lower than the Anthem btw. It will be over 10 years for an AVR upgrade as I leave behind the Yamaha RX-Z7 that still is a beast for what it can do in a 7.1 setup.

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I am with you on that. My 3030 powers my Martin Logan setup very efficiently and I also run STAX headphones which are the true judge of sound clarity and they are not reporting any issues. I also only use the auto cal as a base I adjust things manually especially for Atmos. Am very happy with the Onkyo flagship and looking forward to see/hear the new one.

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It's in French. But as far poster can tell. It will not have a D class amplifier.

http://www.hdfever.fr/forum/viewtopi...10676&p=219832

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The conversation you replied to was about upcoming RZ1100 and RZ3100 and you post a link to the RZ610, RZ710, and RZ810.



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The conversation you replied to was about upcoming RZ1100 and RZ3100 and you post a link to the RZ610, RZ710, and RZ810.
First paragraph from that link.

"Later this year, Onkyo will unveil details for its advanced 9.2 and 11.2 channel RZ series offerings, including the 9.2 channel TX-RZ1100 network receiver, the 11.2 channel TX-RZ3100 network receiver and 11.2 channel PR-RZ5100 network pre-processor."
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It's in French. But as far poster can tell. It will not have a D class amplifier.

http://www.hdfever.fr/forum/viewtopi...10676&p=219832
Thanks for the find wackid! For the sake of convenience, I took the liberty of posting the google translation below....

I would add that the author "cautiously" eludes to the video (or picture) that there is a large toroidal transformer pictured. If this is actually the TX-RZ1100 or 3100, then it is likely class A/B. However, the image pictured in the article looks very similar to the images I've seen of the TX-RZ900. I prefer to remain cautious until official information and specs have been announced/released by Onkyo.

Surely you could learn on the net that ultimately the high end amplifiers Onkyo would be marketed in the second half as the TX-2016 and TX-RZ3100 RZ1100 references. By cons, there is always a question about the amplification technology to be used in these models. I came across a document that announced the same Dynamic Audio Amplification amplifier technology with a video that shows a dual power, one with an IEC transformer dedicated to the preamplifier stage and the other with a large toroidal transformer dedicated to the amplification stage.

Obviously, all this deserves confirmation, but if one believes this visual, amplification technology would therefore remain in Class A / B and thus the rumors circulating on the net about the Class D amplification is false, just as it 'was about references TX and TX-RZ1000 RZ3000. If confirmed, for me it is good news!

We must add to this, the Onkyo TX-RZ3100 is an amplifier 11.2 while the TX-RZ1100 is an amplifier 9.2, but both offer a power of 200 Watts per channel into 6 Ohms (measured with one channel in action as usual). They are both certified THX Select 2 Plus and of course offer the same technologies as their little brothers as AccuEQ with AccuReflex which improves the Atmos effects, or the Fire multiroom Connect feature, a preamplifier stage with a DSD DAC AKM 32-bit compatible, 8 entréeset 3 HDMI 2.0a outputs, AirPlay, Spotify Connect, Wi-Fi Direct, Bluetooth, Zone 2 and 3.

Technical features of the Onkyo TX-RZ1100:

Amplifier 9.2 THX Select certified II Plus
Amplification Class A / B: Dynamic Audio amplification with dual power supply (IEC transformer and power supply was cut for the preamp and transformer O + linear power supply for the power stage)
New HD interface color
Power: 200 Watts (6 ohms, one channel in action, 1% THD)
Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, Dolby Atmos 5.1.2 DTS: X (possibility of Atmos via PREOUT 7.1.2 and adding a power block)
AccuEQ Room Calibration provided with micro technology and AccuReflex
adjustable crossover for each channel (40/50/60/70/80/90/100/120/150/200 Hz)
PPL circuit to reduce errors jitter, Circuit VSLC
Non-Phase Shift Amplifier
filter Capacitance: NC
Pure Audio to turn off all treatments
32-bit DSP and DAC AKM AK4458 8-channel DSD and DXD compliant / LPCM in 384 khz / 32 bits
AOP better
4 DSP modes (Gaming: Rock, Sports, Action, and RPG), Teater-Dimensional Virtual Surround Function, CinemaFILTER and Direct Mode
THX Modes Cinema and Music
Phase-Matching Bass Boost
AirPlay, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth (2.1 + EDR (Compatible Profile: A2DP v1.2, v1.3 AVRCP)
Advanced Music Optimizer DSP Technology
Fire multiroom Connect function
Internet Radio, Spotify Connect, TuneIn Radio, Deezer, TIDAL, Google Cast
USB and UPnP playback of FLAC (192 khz), WAV / LPCM (384 khz), WMA Pro, HD MP3, OGG Vorbis, WAV, LPCM, MLP, DSDIFF, DSF, ALAC
Certified DLNA 1.5 and Windows 7: Internet radio, Network Streaming, Samba and UPnP network protocols
8 inputs including a front and 3 HDMI 2.0a compatible outputs 4K / 60 HDR and HDCP 2.2, ARC, CEC, HDCP 2.2, 1080 / 24p, 3D, 2160 / 60p, Zone 2
And 1080p Upscaling UHD / 4K
PREOUT 13.2 (tbc), Zone 2 and 3, two PREOUT Sub, 6 RCA stereo inputs, 1 Phono, 2 composite inputs, 2 YUV inputs, an Ethernet port, 1 Coaxial input, 2 Optical and FM / AM antenna
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Possibility of Bi-amplify Frontales
Ability to control the receiver from a smartphone or connect a smartphone or tablet via USB
Only connectors for integration: RS-232C, IR remotes, 12V Triggers
Standby "Standby Hybrid"

Technical features of the Onkyo TX-RZ3100:

11.2 Amplifier (200 Watts per channel)

Technical features of the Onkyo PR-RZ5100:

11.2 preamplifier certified THX Select 2 Plus
Preout output XLR and RCA
XLR (must confirm the number of XLR inputs)
RCA 7.1
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Thanks for the find wackid! For the sake of convenience, I took the liberty of posting the google translation below....

Technical features of the Onkyo TX-RZ3100:

11.2 Amplifier (200 Watts per channel)

Technical features of the Onkyo PR-RZ5100:

11.2 preamplifier certified THX Select 2 Plus
Preout output XLR and RCA
XLR (must confirm the number of XLR inputs)
RCA 7.1
AKM 384 kHz and 32 bit[/COLOR]
What are the main differences between the 3030 and the 3100? Will the price increase on the 3100 be worth it to most people?
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Yes, although that link had been posted a few times previously after having been attained from other sources.


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First paragraph from that link.

"Later this year, Onkyo will unveil details for its advanced 9.2 and 11.2 channel RZ series offerings, including the 9.2 channel TX-RZ1100 network receiver, the 11.2 channel TX-RZ3100 network receiver and 11.2 channel PR-RZ5100 network pre-processor."
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What are the main differences between the 3030 and the 3100? Will the price increase on the 3100 be worth it to most people?
As discussed earlier in this thread, the primary differences will be the 3100's ability to handle DTS:X and 4K. For those who are not immediately ready or have no need/want for these features, the 3030 is an excellent piece and IMO a bargain at current prices. Of course, whether the 3100 is "worth it" depends on a person's wants, needs, budget, and perspective. And for those shopping for "flagship" models, cost is typically of less importance.

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As discussed earlier in this thread, the primary differences will be the 3100's ability to handle DTS:X and 4K. For those who are not immediately ready or have no need/want for these features, the 3030 is an excellent piece and IMO a bargain at current prices. Of course, whether the 3100 is "worth it" depends on a person's wants, needs, budget, and perspective. And for those shopping for "flagship" models, cost is typically of less importance.
Gene, I apologize for being a n00b, but I thought the 3030 can handle 4k and was hdmi 2.0 and hdcp 2.2 ready?
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Do a quick search of the HDMI ports on the 3030 and you will see that the new standard is 2.0a and hdcp2.2. The 3030 can handle some 4k signals but not at full bandwidth.


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Gene, I apologize for being a n00b, but I thought the 3030 can handle 4k and was hdmi 2.0 and hdcp 2.2 ready?
Absolutely no apologies necessary! As for my comment regarding 4K, I should have stated "more robust" 4K capability. The clarification by @m3incorp and my understanding is: The 3030 is limited to 10.2Gbps (HDMI 2.0) of bandwidth whereas the 3100 will have 18.0Gbps (HDMI 2.0a) to accommodate HDR support. Also, I believe the 3030 has only one HDMI input (#3) and one main output for HDCP 2.2 copy-protection compliancy...owner's, please confirm.

If not for my want for DTS:X and need for full 4K compatibility, I would own the 3030 in a heartbeat! Good luck with your decision!

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Absolutely no apologies necessary! As for my comment regarding 4K, I should have stated "more robust" 4K capability. The clarification by @m3incorp and my understanding is: The 3030 is limited to 10.2Gbps (HDMI 2.0) of bandwidth whereas the 3100 will have 18.0Gbps (HDMI 2.0a) to accommodate HDR support. Also, I believe the 3030 has only one HDMI input (#3) and one main output for HDCP 2.2 copy-protection compliancy...owner's, please confirm.

If not for my want for DTS:X and need for full 4K compatibility, I would own the 3030 in a heartbeat! Good luck with your decision!
Correct. I use an HDFury which fixes all of the above plus you can always run a separate cable for video straight the to the TV or projector from the player. So in reality all you are missing out on is DTS:X which I am not fussed about Atmos is the winner this time around. There is no other AVR I would get in this price range.
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Correct. I use an HDFury which fixes all of the above plus you can always run a separate cable for video straight the to the TV or projector from the player. So in reality all you are missing out on is DTS:X which I am not fussed about Atmos is the winner this time around. There is no other AVR I would get in this price range.
Thanks for the confirmation...and I almost forgot about the HDFury. If, for some unfathomable reason, the 3100 falls short of my expectations, I would have no trouble falling back on the 3030 and look to the 3200/3300 for DTS:X.

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Thanks for the confirmation...and I almost forgot about the HDFury. If, for some unfathomable reason, the 3100 falls short of my expectations, I would have no trouble falling back on the 3030 and look to the 3200/3300 for DTS:X.
Exactly. The only reason I am not looking forward to upgrading is the hassle that comes with it. Selling,buying,replacing and all the time I've invested in calibration and setup, to me it just does not compute unless it's miles ahead which I doubt it will be.
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