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Like yourself, my room is acoustically very good so I typically turn room correction off.

If the 830 is similar to my 920, then yes...there is a way back. After calibration, the easiest route is to hit the quick access (Q) button on the remote, scroll down to and choose AccuEQ to toggle between (1) off (2) all channels and (3) L/R channel only. These can be set for each of the inputs.

By the way, the overwhelming criticism with Audyssey is that it does not do a good job beyond Schroeder (room transition frequency - around 200Hz and above)...it tends to muddy up mids and highs. That's likely the reason the earlier AccuEQ did not address mids and highs and why Audysseey has recently introduced their $20 MultEQ Editor App.

But each room and listener is different...room correction does not fit all...so experimentation is the key to derive what's pleasing to you in your environment.

Edit: Just took a look at the 830 manual...page 149 states/covers the same information about toggling AccuEQ on/off as my 920
Great stuff. I am holding off with the AccuEQ for now...

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There is always the reset to factory specs (owner's manual page 160) but I'm not sure you want to go there.
Well, as long as there's an option for this, it's always good to know you can turn back to the clock if you screw anything up.

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@coolgeek wish you could cross-post that in the rz830 forum, I think a lot of people would appreciate seeing positive accueq results.

Yes, accueq advanced has 3 presets, similar to mcacc iirc? http://accueq.onkyousa.com
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Unbelievable...Onkyo 830 + amp100 = 11 channel capability for well under $600...why buy anything else??? AVR manufacturers need to visit their value and performance propositions to establish appropriate and competitive pricing strategies going forward.

https://store.onkyousa.com/store/onk...tID.5192851000

https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Source-...s%2C182&sr=1-1
EXACTLY!

I bought it the day I saw it on Amazon! I didn't even think twice.

You know that I have been adamant on getting their flagship with all 11 channels built in for 3 years now.. but when you see a deal as sweet as this and no compromises (adding a 2 channel amp), then one must re-evaluate their earlier positions...

Unfortunately we may not be so lucky 2 years down, when they have the RZ850 or something... it may then cost like $1500
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WOW! If this goes through, it’s a whole new ballgame folks! Imagine the synergy in product development! I can only see that this will be a win/win for Sound United and consumers. Wonder if the naming of Sound United was prophetic? Hmmm...

https://www.avsforum.com/sound-unite...yo-home-audio/
Don't be too happy too soon..

I actually dont think it's a good idea. Having competition is what kept us with choices, new developments, and prices down... They may actually be acquiring it to 'kill off the low cost but extremely good competition'... and then all you end up with the same generic product across all brands... and their ability to price control as well.. we see that happened with the mainstream media...
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WOW! If this goes through, it’s a whole new ballgame folks! Imagine the synergy in product development! I can only see that this will be a win/win for Sound United and consumers. Wonder if the naming of Sound United was prophetic? Hmmm...

https://www.avsforum.com/sound-unite...yo-home-audio/
Well then, I don’t see Onkyo or Pioneer releasing any new receivers until this deal is done.
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YES I receive this information from France and I wait for shur this new is true ,I cant beleive ,now sound united have no compétititon now ,they expertise whit marantz &denon and onkyo &pioneer wow .


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I not receive information for new model (2019)from onkyo to replace the model 1100 and 3100.

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Don't be too happy too soon..

I actually dont think it's a good idea. Having competition is what kept us with choices, new developments, and prices down... They may actually be acquiring it to 'kill off the low cost but extremely good competition'... and then all you end up with the same generic product across all brands... and their ability to price control as well.. we see that happened with the mainstream media...
That could be a possibility as well or even some level of compromise...i.e. position product according to performance and value to establish a tiered product line...elite, mid range, and entry level lines has typically been the norm. At any rate, integration of organizations always result in eliminating redundant resources...product and human. And yes, price control is of concern...dare we say approaching the M word? Very interesting times for the industry and consumer. We can only wait and see if this materializes.

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Well then, I don’t see Onkyo or Pioneer releasing any new receivers until this deal is done.
Likely not since a deal of this nature must have been in the works for awhile. In my mind, the 1100/3100 should have been replaced last fall...or should have been announced this Apr/May. Also, Onkyo's financial position had been compromised by Gibson's woes. Perhaps this weakened position open the dialog between Sound United and Onkyo. Relative to timing, I read elsewhere that the next step will be shareholder voting around the end of June.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markspa.../#3114cf7075ac

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...l#post58050916

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YES I receive this information from France and I wait for shur this new is true ,I cant beleive ,now sound united have no compétititon now ,they expertise whit marantz &denon and onkyo &pioneer wow .


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I not receive information for new model (2019)from onkyo to replace the model 1100 and 3100.
There's always two sides to every coin....pros and cons...good and bad news. For the time being, my glass is half full that overall this will be good for consumers. It certainly appears that 1100/3100 replacements will likely be delayed or even not materialize. If you'll recall, at the introduction of the SR8012, I commented that the 8012 is what the 3100 should have been. I can see now that you agree.

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Likely not since a deal of this nature must have been in the works for awhile. In my mind, the 1100/3100 should have been replaced last fall...or should have been announced this Apr/May. Also, Onkyo's financial position had been compromised by Gibson's woes. Perhaps this weakened position open the dialog between Sound United and Onkyo. Relative to timing, I read elsewhere that the next step will be shareholder voting around the end of June.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markspa.../#3114cf7075ac

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...l#post58050916
I have to agree with Gene that release of a "New Flagship" will probably come after the merger (takeover), but it would seem to me that the R&D work to bring a new design to market, has already been done. To wait very much longer would mean bringing (another) obsolete product to market.

Just a quick question for anyone who has purchased a receiver Directly from Onkyo. I see that shipping is Free, but is Sales Tax charged according to your State of Residence? The TX-RZ830 at $450 sounds quite tempting.

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Just a quick question for anyone who has purchased a receiver Directly from Onkyo. I see that shipping is Free, but is Sales Tax charged according to your State of Residence? The TX-RZ830 at $450 sounds quite tempting.

Thanks in advance; Jack
I walked through the check out process and sales tax is added for my state...Michigan.

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I walked through the check out process and sales tax is added for my state...Michigan.
Thanks Gene. I'm always somewhat hesitant to go into the "Checkout Procedure". I guess it must have something to do with my advancing age (70 a couple months ago).

I just (3 months ago) sold my Pioneer SC-95 to get a Marantz SR7010 (the last version that had "Wides" available. I love wides. Although I like many features of the Marantz,,the OSD is the best that I have experienced.

I still want an Onkyo. I HAD owned Onkyo's for many years until I decided to experiment, only recently with other brands.

I guess that I should buy a 830 and give it a try.

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ok ,got the 830 finaly today did calibration and i m finding sound lower than 818 so upped levels ..
my question to you guys how to set manual equalizer
my 818 was louder at - 50 db where this 830 have to be -35 -30 with regular tv
different beast and too soon to say yay or nay any help ?

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Anybody using both HDMI outputs on this AVR to two 4K 18Gbps displays?
Anybody using a long fiber optic HDMI on the main HDMI out to a 4K projector?

Reason I ask. I have a 4K TV and a 4K projector. Wanted to use both outputs to send 4K 60P HDR streamed signal. Could not get both to work, even when using short 6' premium certified HDMI cables. Roku direct to TV or projector worked, using either main or sub HDMI output, as long as only one was connected. As soon as you use both, it would be glitchy and would have a screen pop up, saying not connected to an HDCP 2.2 input. I spoke with Onkyo RZ support and had two different technicians tell me that Sub HDMI output was not designed for HDCP 2.2. When I asked them where this is stated in the manual, both said they would have to get back with me. Neither of them called me back to me. After a dozen calls, where I somehow kept getting cut off on their end, a third Onkyo RZ technician admitted that main and sub HDMI output should be the same and both have HDCP 2.2. So beware of Onkyo, they will lie to you.

Second problem. Since I have a native 4K projector in this setup, I need a long HDMI cable. I have tried a couple different ones. Both will pass a 4K 60P signal when Roku is connected direct to the projector, but connecting to the RZ-1100, it will not pass the signal. Second cable was the 50' Ruipro fiber optic. This cable has been tested in my other system and works perfectly fine with my Marantz AV7703. Onkyo told me that I need to use a 6'-10' HDMI cable. So I asked them if they are saying their AVR's are not compatible with projectors, because almost no one can use a 6' to 10' HDMI cable in a projector setup. I can no longer recommend Onkyo to any customers.
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ok ,got the 830 finaly today did calibration and i m finding sound lower than 818 so upped levels ..
my question to you guys how to set manual equalizer
my 818 was louder at - 50 db where this 830 have to be -35 -30 with regular tv
different beast and too soon to say yay or nay any help ?
I found that different sources produced different levels. Get a cheap decimal meter if you want dead nuts reference level. Hit the quick menu to access the 3 preset eqs. I use a bass boost and a bass kill.
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Anybody using both HDMI outputs on this AVR to two 4K 18Gbps displays?
Anybody using a long fiber optic HDMI on the main HDMI out to a 4K projector?

Reason I ask. I have a 4K TV and a 4K projector. Wanted to use both outputs to send 4K 60P HDR streamed signal. Could not get both to work, even when using short 6' premium certified HDMI cables. Roku direct to TV or projector worked, using either main or sub HDMI output, as long as only one was connected. As soon as you use both, it would be glitchy and would have a screen pop up, saying not connected to an HDCP 2.2 input. I spoke with Onkyo RZ support and had two different technicians tell me that Sub HDMI output was not designed for HDCP 2.2. When I asked them where this is stated in the manual, both said they would have to get back with me. Neither of them called me back to me. After a dozen calls, where I somehow kept getting cut off on their end, a third Onkyo RZ technician admitted that main and sub HDMI output should be the same and both have HDCP 2.2. So beware of Onkyo, they will lie to you.

Second problem. Since I have a native 4K projector in this setup, I need a long HDMI cable. I have tried a couple different ones. Both will pass a 4K 60P signal when Roku is connected direct to the projector, but connecting to the RZ-1100, it will not pass the signal. Second cable was the 50' Ruipro fiber optic. This cable has been tested in my other system and works perfectly fine with my Marantz AV7703. Onkyo told me that I need to use a 6'-10' HDMI cable. So I asked them if they are saying their AVR's are not compatible with projectors, because almost no one can use a 6' to 10' HDMI cable in a projector setup. I can no longer recommend Onkyo to any customers.
The older Onkyos won't support 4K fully.. .even pass thru... I have to retire my 818 and 3009 to my bedroom.

I bought the RZ830 for a steal ($500) from Amazon cause all i wanted was for it's 11 channel processing. Works great. Connected both HDMI out to 2 Sony 4K projectors when I was testing the 760 and the 870. Both works like a charm.

Also, I think Onkyo is dying.. that's why they are sold... and not sure about quality control over the last 2 years of their 'dying operation'... they haven't even come up with a new flagship in over 3 years!
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The older Onkyos won't support 4K fully.. .even pass thru... I have to retire my 818 and 3009 to my bedroom.

I bought the RZ830 for a steal ($500) from Amazon cause all i wanted was for it's 11 channel processing. Works great. Connected both HDMI out to 2 Sony 4K projectors when I was testing the 760 and the 870. Both works like a charm.

Also, I think Onkyo is dying.. that's why they are sold... and not sure about quality control over the last 2 years of their 'dying operation'... they haven't even come up with a new flagship in over 3 years!
After starting this thread three yerars ago and committing to Onkyo, unfortunately I have to agree that the company we knew is in decline. It appears that Onkyo was unable to survive the Pioneer integration and Gibson's financial woes. Together with the recent Sound United announcement, it is abundantly clear that Onkyo's best days will remain in the past. And soon under Sound United's umbrella, it is highly unlikely that the Onkyo brand will share flagship status with the current Denon (8500) & Marantz (8012) flagships. Having said this, I personally will likely migrate to the Denon flagship camp soon.

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After starting this thread three yerars ago and committing to Onkyo, unfortunately I have to agree that the company we knew is in decline. It appears that Onkyo was unable to survive the Pioneer integration and Gibson's financial woes. Together with the recent Sound United announcement, it is abundantly clear that Onkyo's best days will remain in the past. And soon under Sound United's umbrella, it is highly unlikely that the Onkyo brand will share flagship status with the current Denon (8500) & Marantz (8012) flagships. Having said this, I personally will likely migrate to the Denon flagship camp soon.
Same here. The RZ830 is the last dying gift to us so that we can last out a few more years for better goodies down the road...

As for Marantz and Denon, I am more on the camp of Marantz..

What is the newest marantz btw?
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Anybody using both HDMI outputs on this AVR to two 4K 18Gbps displays?
Anybody using a long fiber optic HDMI on the main HDMI out to a 4K projector?

Reason I ask. I have a 4K TV and a 4K projector. Wanted to use both outputs to send 4K 60P HDR streamed signal. Could not get both to work, even when using short 6' premium certified HDMI cables. Roku direct to TV or projector worked, using either main or sub HDMI output, as long as only one was connected. As soon as you use both, it would be glitchy and would have a screen pop up, saying not connected to an HDCP 2.2 input. I spoke with Onkyo RZ support and had two different technicians tell me that Sub HDMI output was not designed for HDCP 2.2. When I asked them where this is stated in the manual, both said they would have to get back with me. Neither of them called me back to me. After a dozen calls, where I somehow kept getting cut off on their end, a third Onkyo RZ technician admitted that main and sub HDMI output should be the same and both have HDCP 2.2. So beware of Onkyo, they will lie to you.

Second problem. Since I have a native 4K projector in this setup, I need a long HDMI cable. I have tried a couple different ones. Both will pass a 4K 60P signal when Roku is connected direct to the projector, but connecting to the RZ-1100, it will not pass the signal. Second cable was the 50' Ruipro fiber optic. This cable has been tested in my other system and works perfectly fine with my Marantz AV7703. Onkyo told me that I need to use a 6'-10' HDMI cable. So I asked them if they are saying their AVR's are not compatible with projectors, because almost no one can use a 6' to 10' HDMI cable in a projector setup. I can no longer recommend Onkyo to any customers.
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The older Onkyos won't support 4K fully.. .even pass thru... I have to retire my 818 and 3009 to my bedroom.

I bought the RZ830 for a steal ($500) from Amazon cause all i wanted was for it's 11 channel processing. Works great. Connected both HDMI out to 2 Sony 4K projectors when I was testing the 760 and the 870. Both works like a charm.

Also, I think Onkyo is dying.. that's why they are sold... and not sure about quality control over the last 2 years of their 'dying operation'... they haven't even come up with a new flagship in over 3 years!

Still loving my RZ3100, it's now a model 3 years back but for the price I paid it could not be beat, only time will tell what will come next.

Regarding 4K, although I don't have 2 4K displays to try at the same time I found that if even the cable to my 4K OLED was not up to the task the signal was down converted to 2K, also because of this if either display connected exhibits this behaviour neither output was output in 4K.

Seems like @coolgeek confirmed that the RZ series should be capable of dual 4K displays, from what I found the 830 and the 3100 video specs were the same, I would think this applies to the 1100.

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Same here. The RZ830 is the last dying gift to us so that we can last out a few more years for better goodies down the road...

As for Marantz and Denon, I am more on the camp of Marantz..

What is the newest marantz btw?
Marantz's current flagship AVR is the SR8012...appeals more to music and the 2 channel folks...very nice but limited to 11 channels. However, Marantz's AV8805 pre-pro, if you go separates, offer 13 channels. Since my system is configured for HT, 7.2.6 and 9.2.4, I will go with Denon's 8500...a 13 channel AVR.
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Still loving my RZ3100, it's now a model 3 years back but for the price I paid it could not be beat, only time will tell what will come next.

Regarding 4K, although I don't have 2 4K displays to try at the same time I found that if even the cable to my 4K OLED was not up to the task the signal was down converted to 2K, also because of this if either display connected exhibits this behaviour neither output was output in 4K.

Seems like @coolgeek confirmed that the RZ series should be capable of dual 4K displays, from what I found the 830 and the 3100 video specs were the same, I would think this applies to the 1100.
No, I didn't confirm the RZ series.. I am talking specifically about the RZ830, Onkyo's newest models... i dont think this has got anything to do with 'model type' but rather 'how hold your receiver is'... all my older models can't properly support full 4K passthru... and they all have issues with HDMIs.. I have the 3009 and the 818, both had HDMI bugs, which Onkyo had to recall and got it fixed.. both can't do proper 4K passthru...

I doubt the 1100 or 3100 can do it either.. they are both more than 3 years old.

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Marantz's current flagship AVR is the SR8012...appeals more to music and the 2 channel folks...very nice but limited to 11 channels. However, Marantz's AV8805 pre-pro, if you go separates, offer 13 channels. Since my system is configured for HT, 7.2.6 and 9.2.4, I will go with Denon's 8500...a 13 channel AVR.
Good for you. My room is fixed at 11 channels max.. 7.2.4. I can't do anything with it... so, 11 channels is good enough for me... i am even considering trying out the Marantz SR7012 (which you can have for $1.2K or something now)... it's the same with the RZ830 with 11 channel processing but 9 channel amplification.

I used to own a Marantz 7400.. that one really sounded good.. very similar to my older onkyos (the 818 and 3009)
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No, I didn't confirm the RZ series.. I am talking specifically about the RZ830, Onkyo's newest models... i dont think this has got anything to do with 'model type' but rather 'how hold your receiver is'... all my older models can't properly support full 4K passthru... and they all have issues with HDMIs.. I have the 3009 and the 818, both had HDMI bugs, which Onkyo had to recall and got it fixed.. both can't do proper 4K passthru...

I doubt the 1100 or 3100 can do it either.. they are both more than 3 years old.



Good for you. My room is fixed at 11 channels max.. 7.2.4. I can't do anything with it... so, 11 channels is good enough for me... i am even considering trying out the Marantz SR7012 (which you can have for $1.2K or something now)... it's the same with the RZ830 with 11 channel processing but 9 channel amplification.

I used to own a Marantz 7400.. that one really sounded good.. very similar to my older onkyos (the 818 and 3009)
Hmmm, we had this conversation before (possibly in this thread), the RZ3100 video section is rated for 4K 60P
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Hmmm, we had this conversation before (possibly in this thread), the RZ3100 video section is rated for 4K 60P
4:4:4 drops to 8 bits...

As I said, this thing isn't 18gbps... you'll lose something..

And I seriously doubt both works at the same time as well..

But I could be wrong.. so, unless someone tries it out, i'll wager it can't do proper 18gbps passthru cleanly...
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4:4:4 drops to 8 bits...

As I said, this thing isn't 18gbps... you'll lose something..

And I seriously doubt both works at the same time as well..

But I could be wrong.. so, unless someone tries it out, i'll wager it can't do proper 18gbps passthru cleanly...
I see what you are looking at, somewhere I read that 4:2:2 is what the UHD DVD's are distributed in and the RZ3100 does that at 12 bit...

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I see what you are looking at, somewhere I read that 4:2:2 is what the UHD DVD's are distributed in and the RZ3100 does that at 12 bit...
The point is, if it can only do say, 10.5gbps, then you'll have to sacrifice something when you need the bandwith... you can't do for example 4K/60p/10 or 12 bits... the full spec for HDMI 2.0 would need to be 18gbps to have all of it's features... of course, next up would be 8K or HDMI 2.1 at 48gbps.

Plus, I don't even trust their specs. Onkyo is really bad with their HDMI boards for years already now...
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The point is, if it can only do say, 10.5gbps, then you'll have to sacrifice something when you need the bandwith... you can't do for example 4K/60p/10 or 12 bits... the full spec for HDMI 2.0 would need to be 18gbps to have all of it's features... of course, next up would be 8K or HDMI 2.1 at 48gbps.

Plus, I don't even trust their specs. Onkyo is really bad with their HDMI boards for years already now...
It's clear that you don't like Onkyo, but my comments revolve around the need or requirement to support the current video content out there, and the display devices most of us have... The Onkyo RZ covers most of that and AFAIK is 18Gbps

Will older AVR's do HDMI 2.1 or 8K at 48 Gbps, of course not, does it need to right now, no, as soon as an AVR is designed and made it becomes obsolete, but the specs for the latest video formats are way ahead of what is being delivered to us now so to expect an AVR to have all of todays bases covered when it went on sale 3 years ago doesn't make sense.

Given the UHD format as it was released, there are those that seem to be worried about the maximum specs possible with respect to HDMI when we are really not even close to using it even now... below is the spec for most UHD BR's as released, they are not pushing the HDMI specification we have now let alone the latest HDMI specs that have been announced!

The Ultra HD Blu Ray spec is as follows:

Up to 4K resolution
4:2:0 color sub-sampling
Up to 10 bit color
Up to 60 frames per second
Support for wide color gamuts (REC.2020)
Support for HDR10 and Dolby Vision
No 3D support
HDCP2.2

Things there are confusion over with respect to UHD displays:

18Gbps. This may be required if content makers start releasing movies with high frame rates. 4K @ 60 frames per second may require 18Gbps data rates if it is at bit depths of 10 or 12 bits. Otherwise 10.2Gbps is fine, even for 4K60 at 8 bit!
12 bit color. This refers to the color bit-depth. Old Blu-Ray is 8 bit, new UHD Blu Ray can support 10 bit. It’s not clear what bit depth is being used by the streaming services, but it’s probably 8 bit.
4:4:4. This refers to color sub-sampling. Whilst 4:4:4 is used in content mastering, UHD is distributed via 4:2:0.
3D. There is no UHD 3D at this time, at least via Blu Ray

IMHO there is a lot of HYPE about 'needing' your equipment to support the latest specs, 'a cure without a cause!'

As always though, to each their own...

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It's clear that you don't like Onkyo, but my comments revolve around the need or requirement to support the current video content out there, and the display devices most of us have... The Onkyo RZ covers most of that and AFAIK is 18Gbps
How did you get the idea that I don't like Onkyo when all i ever owned were Onkyos for the last 7 years or so.. i have had 3 different onkyos and now the latest RZ830...

Just because I am pointing out that a 3-4 year old Onkyo won't be compatible today and in going forward, you get your panties in a wrap and start making absurd accusations.. facts are stubborn stuff...

If you bought your RZ3100 3 years ago, then great! It lasted you 3 years and now prob another year or two... but to recommend it for today is just in my opinion not wise...
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How did you get the idea that I don't like Onkyo when all i ever owned were Onkyos for the last 7 years or so.. i have had 3 different onkyos and now the latest RZ830...

Just because I am pointing out that a 3-4 year old Onkyo won't be compatible today and in going forward, you get your panties in a wrap and start making absurd accusations.. facts are stubborn stuff...

If you bought your RZ3100 3 years ago, then great! It lasted you 3 years and now prob another year or two... but to recommend it for today is just in my opinion not wise...
No panties in a knot here, no absurd accusations, and no recommendations to buy old receivers, just those stubborn facts, all I said is that for most of us it will cover all of the bases right now as it is compatible with most current display devices and sources. Just because a new HDMI spec is released there is no need throw all previous cables and devices into the trash bin, just yet.

As for the comment 'compatible today', you bought a RZ830, it too is obsolete, at least for the latest announced HDMI specs and in fact from what I see in the RZ830 owners manual it is no different than the other RZ models including the RZ3100, for supported 4K video formats.

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– 4K (3840×2160p) 24/25/30Hz, 4K SMPTE (4096×2160p) 24/25/30Hz :
RGB/YCbCr4:4:4 (8 bit), YCbCr4:2:2 (12 bit)
– 4K (3840×2160p) 50/60Hz, 4K SMPTE (4096×2160p) 50/60Hz :
YCbCr4:2:0 (8 bit)

RZ3100:

– 4K (3840×2160p) 24/25/30Hz, 4K SMPTE (4096
×2160p) 24/25/30Hz : RGB/YCbCr4:4:4 (8 bit),
YCbCr4:2:2 (12 bit)
– 4K (3840×2160p) 50/60Hz, 4K SMPTE (4096×
2160p) 50/60Hz : YCbCr4:2:0 (8 bit)

So let's keep the discussion clean on on point, no need to direct personal comments at any individual posting in this thread!

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Hi everyone. I have TX RZ3100 from Onkyo. It has been with me last three months and gives mi a headaches with going mute in Tunein mode as well as AirPlay mode. After hours of playing it will suddenly go mute. Sometimes Off/On is enough to get it going and sometimes I have to unplug power cord and plug it back in to recover unit. Sometimes it will not accept changing My preset station when clicking ok on remote and again power Off/On will do recover it. Sometimes it is not possible to connect to receiver through AirPlay even though it has worked minutes before. Again power Off/On or power cord unplug/plug back in and it will recover. Reset to factory default did not help with issues. Firmware is the latest version. I have even tried to reboot my router and other devices too. I also have receiver hooked up to the Net with cable. In Tunein mode it will display correct song (I do tune into the same station with different device at the same time and that device plays exactly the same song displayed on TX RZ3100 display or TV) and update display as time goes by but no sound can be heard. Sometimes change to a different station will bring sound back and then return to original station resumes sound lost during previous session. This is frustrating since it’s happening on pretty much daily basis. I have had Onkyo receivers from 30 years ago and I have had TX NR1007 with HDMI board issue. Onkyo did fix it free of charge and after 4 years and three months it started failing again and I have decided to replace it. Other than the failure related to board issue TX-NR1007 was a work horse playing 15 hours a day with no issues at all. In nine years of using it I did not have to do one single reset or power Off/On or unplug/plug power cord. TX RZ3100 sometimes quits sound a couple of times a day. I do play music all day long and I am extremely unhappy having this issue since I have purchased receiver to first of all listen to the music. Tech support did not tell me anything I did not know and as per my latest conversation with them their suggestion is to take unit to nearby authorized service. There were some few days that unit had performed perfectly well and I am skeptical about sending it for service since they are maybe not going to be patient enough to listen to it for hours and days and experience issue the same way I do. All this was written to end up with question if someone out there has had a similar issue and what was the solution if any? To wrap up with possible compatibility issues (I did not find any of it on the Net) here is what is wired and what is on the same network. Wired in are MacBookPro, Denon DVD 2930CI, OPPO BDP 105 and Sony Bravia 40 inch TV. Hard wired into the router are receiver and ASUS pc. Router is Apple AirPort Extreme. iPod touch second generation is plugged into USB port. On the same network through the WIFI are iPod touch second generation, iPad Pro second generation, iPhone X first generation, Google Nexus 7 second generation, MacBookPro and Samsung Galaxy Tab A 8. Speakers: front with integrated subs Def Tech where subs are connected through LFE, center Def Tech, surround high Def Tech, surround Mirage and surround back Def Tech. All this was connected to my TX NR1007 in a same way apart from iPod which was connected through docking station made by Onkyo.
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Anybody using both HDMI outputs on this AVR to two 4K 18Gbps displays?
Anybody using a long fiber optic HDMI on the main HDMI out to a 4K projector?

Reason I ask. I have a 4K TV and a 4K projector. Wanted to use both outputs to send 4K 60P HDR streamed signal. Could not get both to work, even when using short 6' premium certified HDMI cables. Roku direct to TV or projector worked, using either main or sub HDMI output, as long as only one was connected. As soon as you use both, it would be glitchy and would have a screen pop up, saying not connected to an HDCP 2.2 input. I spoke with Onkyo RZ support and had two different technicians tell me that Sub HDMI output was not designed for HDCP 2.2. When I asked them where this is stated in the manual, both said they would have to get back with me. Neither of them called me back to me. After a dozen calls, where I somehow kept getting cut off on their end, a third Onkyo RZ technician admitted that main and sub HDMI output should be the same and both have HDCP 2.2. So beware of Onkyo, they will lie to you.
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I have successfully used a main Sony 4K projector and sub 65" Vizio 4K display with this Onkyo. Worked fine.
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