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How's this for food for thought? Wishful thinking and a bit soon but could this be the reason it's taking so long to introduce the RZ1100/3100?

“We are excited about the synergy between Dirac and Pioneer and look forward to delivering superior audio solutions to Japanese OEM’s,” commented Dr. Mathias Johansson, CEO of Dirac. “We anticipate that the integration of our advanced technologies with innovative hardware from Pioneer and the other Japanese manufacturers will establish new benchmarks for audio performance in a variety of product categories.” Johansson concluded.

"DIRAC has quickly become a favorite room correction solution among serious home theater enthusiasts. It's not a stretch to think that Pioneer would eventually incorporate this technology in their AV receivers in favor of MCACC especially since this licensing agreement also encompasses Dirac's own spatial algorithms too. Of course since Onkyo purchased the AV receiver division of Pioneer and recently dropped Audyssey MultiEQ from their AVR's, one would also wonder if Dirac will eventually find its way into their AV receivers too?"

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That would be the best gift of 2016.
But I don't think it will be launched on the RZ1100/RZ3100.

The fact they mention specifically Pioneer as a partner and not Onkyo. If Dirac is in development on the big RZ it has to be in this time space.
They pre announced the new RZ flagships. And if they want to shake grounds I guess Onkyo announced that its going to have Dirac.

Especially of all the negatives about AccuEQ.

Dirac is something to be proud off. So why Pioneer and not Onkyo is bringing the news out. Because Onkyo won't have Dirac in short time. And Pioneer will.

With this news maybe i will wait what Pioneer has to offer.

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That would be the best gift of 2016.
But I don't think it will be launched on the RZ1100/RZ3100.

The fact they mention specifically Pioneer as a partner and not Onkyo. If Dirac is in development on the big RZ it has to be in this time space.
They pre announced the new RZ flagships. And if they want to shake grounds I guess Onkyo announced that its going to have Dirac.

Especially of all the negatives about AccuEQ.

Dirac is something to be proud off. So why Pioneer and not Onkyo is bringing the news out. Because Onkyo won't have Dirac in short time. And Pioneer will.

With this news maybe i will wait what Pioneer has to offer.
Agreed! Very interesting times ahead!

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That would be the best gift of 2016.
But I don't think it will be launched on the RZ1100/RZ3100.

The fact they mention specifically Pioneer as a partner and not Onkyo. If Dirac is in development on the big RZ it has to be in this time space.
They pre announced the new RZ flagships. And if they want to shake grounds I guess Onkyo announced that its going to have Dirac.

Especially of all the negatives about AccuEQ.

Dirac is something to be proud off. So why Pioneer and not Onkyo is bringing the news out. Because Onkyo won't have Dirac in short time. And Pioneer will.

With this news maybe i will wait what Pioneer has to offer.


Well the way I understood it, pioneer will be a distributor of Dirac to "Japanese audio OEMs" which does not mean that dirac will be in pioneer avr. Whats Japanese OEMs exactly? I actually have no idea exactly what it means.

All that said, if Dirac will indeed be in pioneer and onkyo avrs, it will be a death spell for audyssey and DM in particular.
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All that said, if Dirac will indeed be in pioneer and onkyo avrs, it will be a death spell for audyssey and DM in particular.
Not necessarily.
Audyssey could counter, with a new improved version of XT32 with Sub EQ HT.

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Well the way I understood it, pioneer will be a distributor of Dirac to "Japanese audio OEMs" which does not mean that dirac will be in pioneer avr. Whats Japanese OEMs exactly? I actually have no idea exactly what it means.

All that said, if Dirac will indeed be in pioneer and onkyo avrs, it will be a death spell for audyssey and DM in particular.
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Not necessarily.
Audyssey could counter, with a new improved version of XT32 with Sub EQ HT.
The major concern for Audyssey fans has been its long dormancy period. Audyssey will likely answer the bell now or nohcho's prediction will come to past...at least for Audyssey. D+M could then migrate to Dirac or ???

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The major concern for Audyssey fans has been its long dormancy period. Audyssey will likely answer the bell now or nohcho's prediction will come to past...at least for Audyssey. D+M could then migrate to Dirac or ???
I think when Pioneer is the distributor. D+M will be the last one in line to get Dirac.
Why give your competitor one leg ahead?
I think Onkyo will be the first one in line then.

I don't know what about the rest of the world but in the Netherlands Pioneer lost a lot of market share. Since the distributor head office left the Netherlands.
Almost nowhere in the stores anymore.

Will they give it a new boost this way?

Time will tell....

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I think when Pioneer is the distributor. D+M will be the last one in line to get Dirac.
Why give your competitor one leg ahead?
I think Onkyo will be the first one in line then.

I don't know what about the rest of the world but in the Netherlands Pioneer lost a lot of market share. Since the distributor head office left the Netherlands.
Almost nowhere in the stores anymore.

Will they give it a new boost this way?

Time will tell....
Also very valid points...very interesting times ahead indeed!

In hindsight, could this (Onkyo/Pioneer/Dirac) have been conceived when Onkyo dropped Audyssey...hmmm???

Regardless....the playing field will be much more level going forward...and consumers win!

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Re: Dirac: Interesting discussion and varied viewpoints going on in this thread as well...

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...ced-avr-s.html

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OK. So there is a new kid in town.
What do we think?

https://www.avforums.com/review/anth...r-review.12558

Could it beat the ONKYO offerings in terms of sound quality? This is the only direct 11.2 channel competitor around.

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OK. So there is a new kid in town.
What do we think?

https://www.avforums.com/review/anth...r-review.12558

Could it beat the ONKYO offerings in terms of sound quality? This is the only direct 11.2 channel competitor around.
Problem is, the Anthem is almost $4k, while Onkyo's next flagship will most likely cost no more then $2300
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regardless of cost...
What do we honestly think?

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regardless of cost...
What do we honestly think?
My first impression. That thing is so ugly and cheap looking. You want to put it in a closed cabinet.

Soundwise it should be great. Never heard one though.

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OK. So there is a new kid in town.
What do we think?

https://www.avforums.com/review/anth...r-review.12558

Could it beat the ONKYO offerings in terms of sound quality? This is the only direct 11.2 channel competitor around.
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The Anthem MRX Series (520, 720, 1120) were shown last August 2015 at a Hong Kong AV show, announced at CEDIA in October 2015, and began shipping in January 2016. Anthem is well regarded by many for its minimalist design, high construction quality, and reliability. Also, I've read that it's the opinion of owners who have had both that Anthem Room Correction (ARC) is without a doubt better than Audyssey.

As for sound quality, I have never had the opportunity to hear an Anthem unit. Whether one prefers the sound quality of one AVR over another is purely subjective. Regardless, for me, cost is an important consideration. Advances in technology and features tend to obsolete AVR's relatively quickly and I find myself upgrading every 3 years or so. My OCD allows me to do this at a $2K price point (street) but not at $3K. Above $3K, I would seriously consider separates...i.e. Onkyo PR-RZ5100 and multiple amps.

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Btw what's the difference between the NR3030 and the RZ3100 regarding functionalities?


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Looks don't really matter in a dark bat cave. Sound is the only ting that matters. I have my 3030 up for sale now, so looking for alternatives but not sure I can wait for the 3100. Anyone I've asked said the Anthem is in another league. Well just not sure how at half the weight it can match the internal quality of the flagship Onkyo?

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Sound is the only ting that matters. I have my 3030 up for sale now, so looking for alternatives but not sure I can wait for the 3100.
I agree...but why can't you wait?

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Anyone I've asked said the Anthem is in another league. Well just not sure how at half the weight it can match the internal quality of the flagship Onkyo?
It's pretty well established that Anthem, a Canadian company, has enjoyed deserving elite status among enthusiasts but if sound is the only thing that matters to you...how much better would the Anthem have to sound to pay $1000+ more? IMO, the 1120's sound qualities would have to be more than a "significant" improvement. Perhaps this is what ARC would bring to the table? Then again, RC is not needed/wanted/or important for everyone. But then if I decided to spend the $1000+, I would likely prefer to go the separates route...a $2000 (street) pre-pro (i.e. PR-RZ5100) and put the $1000+ toward amps (Emotiva, Outlaw, Monoprice, even ATI). This way, I would keep the amps long term and better justify replacing the pre-pro when technology/features advances every few years...just the way I would do it.

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The upcoming RZ3100 will have HDMI 2.0a (greater bandwidth to support HDR) and DTS:X capability. If you don't need/want these features in the near term, then the 3030 is an excellent AVR. It's current street price is around $1500 or maybe PM @Bandyka for the 3030 he is selling.

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To my knowledge, the 3030 is bandwidth limited to 10.2Gbps (HDMI 2.0) while the 3100 (HDMI 2.0a) will have a full 18.0Gbps required to accommodate HDR. If someone can contribute more in this area, please chime in.

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Not sure because because my projector is HDR but has only 10 Gbps HDMI


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Since I'm not an SME in this area, we'll need someone with more knowledge to chime in.

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To my knowledge, the 3030 is bandwidth limited to 10.2Gbps (HDMI 2.0) while the 3100 (HDMI 2.0a) will have a full 18.0Gbps required to accommodate HDR. If someone can contribute more in this area, please chime in.
Correct.
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Thanks for the confirmation JD!

On a different note, I recall you mentioning in an earlier post that the RZ1100 was expected to be available/ship in July. Is this still accurate and on schedule and has there been any word/update on the RZ3100's availability? Thanks in advance...

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post #267 of 2579 Old 04-29-2016, 09:51 PM - Thread Starter
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Not sure because because my projector is HDR but has only 10 Gbps HDMI
Although I'm aware that some 2015 4K projectors (i.e. Sony) have HDMI 2.0 (10.2Gbps) capability and are HDR compatible, I also don't have a complete understanding of how this plays into true end to end 4K, HDR, color space, etc. requirements.

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What Projector do have that has HDR?
I'm not quite sure if the purpose of your question is to provide @hasta666 with additional assistance or searching for an upgrade path to 4K projection. In any case, my current and primary objective is upgrading my AVR to potentially the RZ3100 (7.2.4). And later this year, I anticipate upgrading my PJ to 4K. To this end, I am interested in both your response to the OP and ultimately in his solution. Thanks in advance!

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I've got the JVC X5000 with HDR and is not going through the 3030 so using a HDFury, no issues there if you have one 4K source. The only issue is the lack of DTS:X. I am only selling the 3030 as I have multiple 4K sources and if the Anthem is really that much better it will be worth it for me.

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LOL..not going there!


I was referrring to the face of the AVR, not what you had in your mind

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I've got the JVC X5000 with HDR and is not going through the 3030 so using a HDFury, no issues there if you have one 4K source. The only issue is the lack of DTS:X. I am only selling the 3030 as I have multiple 4K sources and if the Anthem is really that much better it will be worth it for me.

Looks don't really matter in a dark bat cave.
LOL..not going there!


I was referrring to the face of the AVR, not what you had in your mind
I know...just couldn't resist!

On a serious note, if you do decide and get the 1120, please PM me and/or post your findings as I and perhaps others would be interested in your impressions.

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Thanks for the confirmation JD!

On a different note, I recall you mentioning in an earlier post that the RZ1100 was expected to be available/ship in July. Is this still accurate and on schedule and has there been any word/update on the RZ3100's availability? Thanks in advance...
Still summer. No new info.
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