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gene4ht 01-15-2016 02:39 PM

Onkyo TX-RZ1100 and TX-RZ3100
 
In late December, European publications (France & Germany) reported rumors of Onkyo possibly announcing at CES 2016 new flagship AVR's replacing current TX-NR1030 and TX-NR3030 models. I have not seen or read of any CES announcements in this regard. I did however come across this today in what appears to be a Polish publication. I obviously cannot substantiate its validity.

https://translate.google.com/transla...0/&prev=search

Note (Update September 13, 2016): To facilitate finding the beginning of "actual" TX-RZ1100 and TX-RZ3100 product information and review...

Posts #1 - #930 (Jan 2016 - Aug 2016): General anticipation, discussion, and speculation of product information and detail.

Posts #931 (Sep 2016) - current: Product began shipping (per @jdsmoothie ) and first AVS member impressions posted.

VisionxOrb 01-16-2016 02:00 PM

My wishful thinking hopes is been hush hush a delayed this long so they could bring Dolby AC-4 on board ( or at least ready ). I can dream.

zimmo 01-17-2016 12:17 PM

thank you GENE 4HT


onkyo tx-rz1000 9.2 chanels
onkyo tx-rz3000 11.2 chanels
change a&b for class D more power and less heat:D
new calibration whit pioneer and onkyo macc pro plus:D
new système scanner HDR( HIGHT DYNAMIC RANGE ):D
dolby atmos and dts-x ?
all hdmi 2.0 hdcp 2.2


price around 1900 us for 1000
price around 2200 us for 3000


suppose start sale to end of mars or april .

idluke 01-17-2016 03:12 PM

I will be done with Onkyo if they switch to class D!

nohcho 01-17-2016 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by idluke (Post 40734090)
I will be done with Onkyo if they switch to class D!

Really? Why is that? I thought class D was pretty good tech

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kenoh89 01-17-2016 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idluke (Post 40734090)
I will be done with Onkyo if they switch to class D!

Would be nice if they had class A/B as an option for 2/ch audio, the rest being class D. Honestly, all other manufactures are looking to leave class A/B for class G, or H this year.

coolcat4843 01-17-2016 05:53 PM

Glad I didn't pull the trigger on the TX-RZ900.
That TX-RZ3000 with 11.2 channels of Class D amplification and MCACC Pro calibration, looks pretty tempting.
Plus it's going on sale this spring.
So there's no need to wait until summer. :cool:

m3incorp 01-17-2016 06:09 PM

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Are you in the U.S.? If you are, where have you seen "any" information pertaining to a U. S. Release and pricing?

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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 (Post 40737762)
Glad I didn't pull the trigger on the TX-RZ900.
That TX-RZ3000 with 11.2 channels of Class D amplification and MCACC Pro calibration, looks pretty tempting.
Plus it's going on sale this spring.
So there's no need to wait until summer. :cool:


nohcho 01-17-2016 06:25 PM

So basically pioneer elite sc line woth onkyo badge


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m3incorp 01-17-2016 06:28 PM

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I would venture to say that hopefully the best from both.

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolcat4843 (Post 40737762)
Glad I didn't pull the trigger on the TX-RZ900.
That TX-RZ3000 with 11.2 channels of Class D amplification and MCACC Pro calibration, looks pretty tempting.
Plus it's going on sale this spring.
So there's no need to wait until summer. :cool:

Quote:

Originally Posted by nohcho (Post 40738730)
So basically pioneer elite sc line woth onkyo badge


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gene4ht 01-17-2016 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zimmo (Post 40729690)
thank you GENE 4HT


onkyo tx-rz1000 9.2 chanels
onkyo tx-rz3000 11.2 chanels
change a&b for class D more power and less heat:D
new calibration whit pioneer and onkyo macc pro plus:D
new système scanner HDR( HIGHT DYNAMIC RANGE ):D
dolby atmos and dts-x ?
all hdmi 2.0 hdcp 2.2


price around 1900 us for 1000
price around 2200 us for 3000


suppose start sale to end of mars or april
.

Thanks zimmo! Can you post the link referring to the U.S. pricing and introduction dates? Also, were there any additional specification information...specifically physical data...i.e. weight?

nohcho 01-17-2016 06:48 PM

If onkyo can deliver all that goodness with reasonable price, with their distribution channels, the other big avr manufacturers may be in trouble. They are probably watching onkyo closely


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zimmo 01-18-2016 05:36 AM

I TAKE THIS INFORMATION FROM EUROPE.I make conversion to euro and us dollars.




FOR shure need wait onkyo us or canada for see exactly information and price.:)

zimmo 01-18-2016 07:09 AM

I not have more information ,(gene4ht)give me information and i take lettlebit information in they other sites from europe but not have plus informations same a mutch pound or other.


Need wait for onkyo us.

gene4ht 01-18-2016 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VisionxOrb (Post 40706770)
My wishful thinking hopes is been hush hush a delayed this long so they could bring Dolby AC-4 on board ( or at least ready ). I can dream.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenoh89 (Post 40734938)
Would be nice if they had class A/B as an option for 2/ch audio, the rest being class D. Honestly, all other manufactures are looking to leave class A/B for class G, or H this year.

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolcat4843 (Post 40737762)
Glad I didn't pull the trigger on the TX-RZ900.
That TX-RZ3000 with 11.2 channels of Class D amplification and MCACC Pro calibration, looks pretty tempting.
Plus it's going on sale this spring.
So there's no need to wait until summer. :cool:

Quote:

Originally Posted by m3incorp (Post 40738778)
I would venture to say that hopefully the best from both.

Onkyo, historically, has provided more value and leading edge features before the competition...hopefully, this trend continues...and with Pioneer's contributions...certainly something to look forward to.

coolcat4843 01-18-2016 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zimmo (Post 40729690)
thank you GENE 4HT
price around 2200 us for 3000

If that indeed turns out to be the MSRP for the TX-RZ3000, I'll place my order asap!
But seems to be a little low, for all that your getting.

BTW-I wonder if Onkyo will keep its THX certification, for the 2016 models?

m3incorp 01-18-2016 05:58 PM

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Simple translations like that don't always work, as manufacturers often price differently for different markets. If they were to be at those prices, and indeed have the number of channels of amplification stated above, they would sell a lot quickly :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by zimmo (Post 40745490)
I TAKE THIS INFORMATION FROM EUROPE.I make conversion to euro and us dollars.




FOR shure need wait onkyo us or canada for see exactly information and price.:)


coolcat4843 01-19-2016 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m3incorp (Post 40767986)
If they were to be at those prices, and indeed have the number of channels of amplification stated above, they would sell a lot quickly :)

I see the TX-RZ3000 being priced at between $2,500 and $3,000.

Jon S 01-19-2016 04:44 PM

I am pretty leary about buying a Onkyo AVR... They have had a string of issues with various components, IDE connectors, HDMI boards, display panels. Their quality control is horrendous. i have had three TOTL Onkyo receivers in the past few years and every one of them failed.

nohcho 01-19-2016 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon S (Post 40798490)
I am pretty leary about buying a Onkyo AVR... They have had a string of issues with various components, IDE connectors, HDMI boards, display panels. Their quality control is horrendous. i have had three TOTL Onkyo receivers in the past few years and every one of them failed.


While not defending onkyo, people on avs boards are minuscule amount of onkyo users out there. There are a lot of success stories with onkyo too.


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gene4ht 01-19-2016 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolcat4843 (Post 40798002)
I see the TX-RZ3000 being priced at between $2,500 and $3,000.

I agree...but I'm thinking a bit closer to $2500.

Current Onkyo flagship models:

MSRP/ Street (new)
TX-NR1030 $1699/ $1139
TX-NR3030 $2399 (2299)*/ $1505

*recent price drop

I would anticipate MSRP's for the new RZ1000/3000 models to be the same or slightly higher than the models they're replacing.

gene4ht 01-19-2016 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon S (Post 40798490)
I am pretty leary about buying a Onkyo AVR... They have had a string of issues with various components, IDE connectors, HDMI boards, display panels. Their quality control is horrendous. i have had three TOTL Onkyo receivers in the past few years and every one of them failed.

I've had the opposite experience...4 units over the past 10 years without issue.

gene4ht 01-19-2016 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nohcho (Post 40801778)
While not defending onkyo, people on avs boards are minuscule amount of onkyo users out there. There are a lot of success stories with onkyo too.

As I mentioned above, I'm one of the success stories you referenced. It's normal for those w/o issues to be less vocal and those with issues to vocalize. Damage control is always difficult but I find that Onkyo's acknowledgement of their product failures and subsequent solution to be a step in the right direction.

m3incorp 01-21-2016 02:52 PM

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I'm with you on that. Of course they could price at what the original MSRP was for the 1030 and 3030 and also I guess we have to keep in mind that they are competing with Denon, so maybe they will be priced a little lower than the Denon 6200W and 7200WA.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gene4ht (Post 40804754)
I agree...but I'm thinking a bit closer to $2500.

Current Onkyo flagship models:

MSRP/ Street (new)
TX-NR1030 $1699/ $1139
TX-NR3030 $2399 (2299)*/ $1505

*recent price drop

I would anticipate MSRP's for the new RZ1000/3000 models to be the same or slightly higher than the models they're replacing.


gene4ht 01-22-2016 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m3incorp (Post 40858466)
I'm with you on that. Of course they could price at what the original MSRP was for the 1030 and 3030 and also I guess we have to keep in mind that they are competing with Denon, so maybe they will be priced a little lower than the Denon 6200W and 7200WA.

There is also the burden of RC licensing fees...presumably none for Onkyo (In house: AccuEQ/MCACC) and Audyssey for D+M pieces.

curtishd 01-27-2016 01:33 PM

Any update on when these will be available?

gene4ht 02-06-2016 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by curtishd (Post 41033530)
Any update on when these will be available?

Been surfin the net a couple of times a week...no new info that I've come across. Other than the earlier rumors/presumptions from the European publications and @zimmo posting below...no new info at all. It is curious as to why there has been absolutely no news/info from Onkyo themselves.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zimmo (Post 40729690)
thank you GENE 4HT


onkyo tx-rz1000 9.2 chanels
onkyo tx-rz3000 11.2 chanels
change a&b for class D more power and less heat:D
new calibration whit pioneer and onkyo macc pro plus:D
new système scanner HDR( HIGHT DYNAMIC RANGE ):D
dolby atmos and dts-x ?
all hdmi 2.0 hdcp 2.2


price around 1900 us for 1000
price around 2200 us for 3000


suppose start sale to end of mars or april .


coolcat4843 02-15-2016 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gene4ht (Post 41317457)
It is curious as to why there has been absolutely no news/info from Onkyo themselves.

Onkyo probably doesn't want to hurt sales of its current line of receivers.
If folks find out how great the RZ1000 and RZ3000 features are, they'll be reluctant to buy the 2015 models.

m3incorp 02-15-2016 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gene4ht (Post 41317457)
It is curious as to why there has been absolutely no news/info from Onkyo themselves.

Onkyo probably doesn't want to hurt sales of its current line of receivers.
If folks find out how great the RZ1000 and RZ3000 features are, they'll be reluctant to buy the 2015 models.

I seriously doubt that is the case. When they do release the new receivers, price will drop on the 2015 models and people that don't need or can't afford the 2016 high end models will continue to buy the older models.

gene4ht 02-15-2016 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolcat4843 (Post 41596601)
Onkyo probably doesn't want to hurt sales of its current line of receivers.
If folks find out how great the RZ1000 and RZ3000 features are, they'll be reluctant to buy the 2015 models.

This crossed my mind as well...but rumors (founded or unfounded) were already circulating in Europe.

Quote:

Originally Posted by m3incorp (Post 41597801)
I seriously doubt that is the case. When they do release the new receivers, price will drop on the 2015 models and people that don't need or can't afford the 2016 high end models will continue to buy the older models.

Yep...this typically is the scenario. But this only leads me to speculate that possibly...

(1) The products are not ready for introduction for some reason.
(2) On hold...waiting for DTS:X improvements/readiness...DTS:X implementation in Denon's X7200WA is not without issue and may have been premature to market.
(3) Corporate delay due to business decisions around Onkyo/Pioneer flagship models.
(4) Combinations of the above.
(5) Or worse case: The European rumors were pure rumor.:eek:

Here's hoping I'm totally off base and we'll be hearing some positive news shortly.

Anyone else care to speculate?


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