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post #3331 of 3952 Old 07-15-2017, 03:55 PM
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I recently found time to watch all 4 so far released UHD editions of Harry Potter, wich has DTS:X.

I must say i was very impressed, they all sound great, truly awsome remixes, almost as if they were mixed in DTS:X from the start. I would call them among the best DTS:X tracks i have heard so far.

For example in Half Blood Prince, when Dumbledore is killed, they are up in the tower, while Harry is hiding in the below level, and when they talk, the voices comes so clear from above, it was jawdropping. One of the clearest 'from above' effect i have heard.

And several times Waldemort's voice is panning around the room, totally seamless all over the place, very cool.

Also a lot of thunder scenes, and combined with the HDR picture and LFE, they were eyeblinding and heartstopping.

Totally recommended for a cool immersive experience
Damnit Dumbledore dies??!!!!

Jk... I agree 100% though the Harry Potter DTS:X tracks are indeed very impressive and have to be the best I have heard from the format so far though the Battleship DTS:X track is mighty impressive as well.
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Damnit Dumbledore dies??!!!!

Jk... I agree 100% though the Harry Potter DTS:X tracks are indeed very impressive and have to be the best I have heard from the format so far though the Battleship DTS:X track is mighty impressive as well.
I have Battleship UHD, but not seen it yet. Looking forward to it

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So I recently got 4 ceiling speakers and a new receiver to get atmos/DTSX going and I'm blown away. One thing I noticed was, when I played the Dolby demo disc, the transformer movie clip, using the DTS Neural X sounds so much better up top. I play with normal atmos couple times. Then again with Neural X and it just sounds so much better. Is it DTS again just going to sound better than Dolby like it did in the DV era? Is it just me, or is this normal with DTS Neural X?

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I agree with your observations, however, when I made a similar comment on an Atmos forum several months ago I took a beating!
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I agree with your observations, however, when I made a similar comment on an Atmos forum several months ago I took a beating!
That is silly, why would they even smash you for that, when it's really a truthful observation that now I know, I'm not alone. I'm always leaving Neural X on anything I play.

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That is silly, why would they even smash you for that, when it's really a truthful observation that now I know, I'm not alone. I'm always leaving Neural X on anything I play.
DTS is more aggressive than Dolby in moving sounds to the overheads. Some people like it, some don't and some change their opinions about it after listening to it for a while.

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DTS is more aggressive than Dolby in moving sounds to the overheads. Some people like it, some don't and some change their opinions about it after listening to it for a while.
Maybe since i just upgraded i want to hear the ceilings in action and prefer it. Maybe as time passes, ill change my mind. Do make a point.

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That is silly, why would they even smash you for that, when it's really a truthful observation that now I know, I'm not alone. I'm always leaving Neural X on anything I play.
I also agree Neural X sounds so much better. I also leave it on all the time.

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When MOAR equals "better" then yes, DTS Neural:X will be "better" than Atmos.


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"Took a beating" Good lord, you guys put no context in that.

Atmos is a native immersive mix. I'm sorry you didn't think there was enough action in the overheads but that is how the person who made the movie and the person who mixed the sound for the movie wanted it to sound. I mean, if you want more up in the overheads, go for it! I'm not going to stop you or make fun that you like that. But let's not confuse all this stuff. An Atmos mix in native form is the original presentation of the movie. It's not a bad thing to want to keep the integrity of the spatial positioning. However, if you feel there isn't enough going on in all the speakers at every moment then feel free to engage further processing to enhance the experience.

"Better" is subjective.

Decoding an Atmos signal is how it's supposed to sound. If there isn't enough going on overhead, deal with it or pop open a flavored soda water (idk why I said that.... just use some surround processing).


Don't get me wrong, some of these Atmos mixes "suck!" in this regard. Many of the earliest ones are like that. San Andreas is worse. Sometimes you gotta put a twist of lemon...wtf, is my deal this morning. Must be thirsty or something.

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Great post Scott… and get yourself something to drink!
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So I recently got 4 ceiling speakers and a new receiver to get atmos/DTSX going and I'm blown away. One thing I noticed was, when I played the Dolby demo disc, the transformer movie clip, using the DTS Neural X sounds so much better up top. I play with normal atmos couple times. Then again with Neural X and it just sounds so much better. Is it DTS again just going to sound better than Dolby like it did in the DV era? Is it just me, or is this normal with DTS Neural X?
As other have pointed out, Neural:X shoves a LOT of stuff to the overhead speakers. Whereas Transformers AoE was literally the very first Atmos Blu-ray released, and (like many of the early Atmos mixes) didn't have a ton of overhead action.

So if you just installed ceiling speakers, and you are yearning to hear them make noise to justify your purchase, then yeah overriding the native Atmos mix and instead layering Neural:X on the 7.1 Dolby TrueHD core will be "better". Even the more aggressive Atmos mixes these days aren't 100% overhead action, from what I've experienced it tends to be used for atmospherics and envelopment with occasional big effects. So if you want that constant, "my ceiling speakers are making noise OH YEAH!" feeling then Neural:X will get you there.

But like Scott said, that's not the original intent of the mix. Most of us over time have come to feel that Neural:X is TOO aggressive, to the point of it being "gimmicky", but it certainly is a lot of fun for upmixing aggressive 7.1 action mixes.

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Up-mixers

I also went through a period of trying the different up-mixers. After getting the original desire to hear all the speakers all the time out of my mind, I now prefer the original immersive sound mix (Atmos or DTS:X) when available. However when it comes to the older action mixes (stereo, 5.1, and 7.1) and broadcast TV, I do prefer Neural:X. Since this is all so subjective based on personal tastes, everyone has the option of listening to what they like the way they like it themselves.

My personal likes now run very similar to those expressed by Scott and Batpig.
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I also think some of the variance in opinion on Neural:X is going to be related to the specifics of your setup, like where your overhead speakers are located vs. the seating / your ears.

In my room, I originally started with "Top Middle" and so I have a pair of in-ceiling speakers directly above my head. I've since expanded to a full 7.1.4 setup and have been meaning to reconfigure the to be further behind my head, but as it is they are assigned to "Top Rear" even though they are basically above me. This means those speakers are really prominent..... which, as a consequence, really exacerbates the "mistakes" that Neural:X makes when it pushes thing to the overheads that shouldn't be there.

One example is an episode of "Band of Brothers" (can't remember which, I think 8 or 9) where the characters are outside talking amidst a crowd of soldiers. There is a bunch of background chatter from the crowd, and Neural:X throws a lot of the chatter into the overheads, so I'm hearing voices directly above my head instead of around me. It's distracting and clearly "wrong" for the scene. Another example is in "Saving Private Ryan" (no significance to the WWII theme, just a coincidence!) there is a scene where the characters huddle under an aluminum roofed shed to converse, and there is some echo/reverb in the scene from the acoustics of being under the metal roof. With Neural:X engaged, it really exaggerates that echo/reverb to the point where it sounds unnatural and overbearing.

A common theme to the above is that both are 5.1 mixes.... based on my experience, Neural:X is at its best with 7.1 action flick mixes, since there is action blasting all around you and the expansion to the overheads "works" more naturally with the bombastic mixes.
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I also think some of the variance in opinion on Neural:X is going to be related to the specifics of your setup, like where your overhead speakers are located vs. the seating / your ears.

In my room, I originally started with "Top Middle" and so I have a pair of in-ceiling speakers directly above my head. I've since expanded to a full 7.1.4 setup and have been meaning to reconfigure the to be further behind my head, but as it is they are assigned to "Top Rear" even though they are basically above me. This means those speakers are really prominent..... which, as a consequence, really exacerbates the "mistakes" that Neural:X makes when it pushes thing to the overheads that shouldn't be there.

One example is an episode of "Band of Brothers" (can't remember which, I think 8 or 9) where the characters are outside talking amidst a crowd of soldiers. There is a bunch of background chatter from the crowd, and Neural:X throws a lot of the chatter into the overheads, so I'm hearing voices directly above my head instead of around me. It's distracting and clearly "wrong" for the scene. Another example is in "Saving Private Ryan" (no significance to the WWII theme, just a coincidence!) there is a scene where the characters huddle under an aluminum roofed shed to converse, and there is some echo/reverb in the scene from the acoustics of being under the metal roof. With Neural:X engaged, it really exaggerates that echo/reverb to the point where it sounds unnatural and overbearing.

A common theme to the above is that both are 5.1 mixes.... based on my experience, Neural:X is at its best with 7.1 action flick mixes, since there is action blasting all around you and the expansion to the overheads "works" more naturally with the bombastic mixes.
Sure. Give any upmixer more to work with (7.1 vs 5.1) and it should perform better, I think.

You give some examples but... only seem to give about one per flick. That... doesn't sound too bad. Does the occasional "something out of place" effect ruin the whole experience for you guys? Like I said in defense of Neural:X, "it might get things wrong every once in a while but it gets thing right more often."

I was watching Godzilla (2014) with Neural:X. There was one part where a Jeep drove by and it went right overhead. I rolled my eyes at that moment but... it got everything else g'damned right! Godzilla roar? Things falling from overhead? All sorts of appropriate effects that sounded truthfully overhead like it should. So many moments I can not even list them but... you've got one moment that is worth wagging a naggy finger at cuz it misbehaved a lil bit.

Idk. I don't let the occasional bad effect ruin the 90% of the time it does a damn fine job of turning a non-immersive mix into a very immersive one.


Btw, not a stab at your opinions Batpig. Cuz.... I have to state that kind of thing from now or else people might think we are "bickering" again or something.


The worst thing that Neural:X does, imho, is it can make some stuff sound mushy or muddy. That was my experience with Saving Private Ryan which I thought would be a shoe-in for a great upmix with N:X. I turned it off before the beach assault had finished. Sure it was "aggressive" but it also turned a well sculpted soundfield into a mushy one that was essentially mono-ized in some sense. Ended up using DSU and never went back.

That kind of thing is much worse than the occasional Jeep pulling a Dukes of Hazard over the MLP. Sounds kinda exciting when I word it like that.
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I like Neural-X upmixing of YouTube music videos such as Pentatonix.

It is also my default upmixer for any non-immersive audio mixes since it makes good use of the wides. And wides are good.

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So I recently got 4 ceiling speakers and a new receiver to get atmos/DTSX going and I'm blown away. One thing I noticed was, when I played the Dolby demo disc, the transformer movie clip, using the DTS Neural X sounds so much better up top. I play with normal atmos couple times. Then again with Neural X and it just sounds so much better. Is it DTS again just going to sound better than Dolby like it did in the DV era? Is it just me, or is this normal with DTS Neural X?
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That is silly, why would they even smash you for that, when it's really a truthful observation that now I know, I'm not alone. I'm always leaving Neural X on anything I play.
As someone who has yet to hear the wonders of DTS-X or Neural X, I would like to see more action on the ceiling than I have experienced so far with Atmos. At this point I would not be opposed to some "cute" effects. It is easier to dial back too much effect than to dial up too little. I will have to wait six or eight months for a new AVR.

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You give some examples but... only seem to give about one per flick. That... doesn't sound too bad. Does the occasional "something out of place" effect ruin the whole experience for you guys? Like I said in defense of Neural:X, "it might get things wrong every once in a while but it gets thing right more often."
I guess I tend to err on the "conservative" side for my preference with this kind of audio enhancement. Obviously I listed just a couple of specific examples, but when they happened I really noticed at it broke my sense of immersion because all of a sudden I'm thinking about upmixers and weird stuff above my head instead of just watching the movie. You're right that it's not annoying MOST of the time. But DSU is really never annoying, just subtly immersive, so I tend to stick with it.

I had the same type of issue with certain music upmixers, even if it works great on most songs if it gets crazy on a specific song and I hear vocals or guitars coming from behind me it bothers me and I have to start fiddling. Same with Audyssey Dynamic EQ, I use it (because I listen at lower volumes most of the time) but I use the settings to tone it down to lessen the chance of it being annoying.

I know you've said before that it would be great if there was a middle ground with DSU vs. Neural:X, and I agree.

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I guess I tend to err on the "conservative" side for my preference with this kind of audio enhancement. Obviously I listed just a couple of specific examples, but when they happened I really noticed at it broke my sense of immersion because all of a sudden I'm thinking about upmixers and weird stuff above my head instead of just watching the movie. You're right that it's not annoying MOST of the time. But DSU is really never annoying, just subtly immersive, so I tend to stick with it.
I can appreciate that. Immersion killers are no bueno.

Probably helps that there is likely less separation from level to level in my room than yours. So when I get voices and other noticeable things like that it doesn't seem overtly "overhead" in my room.

That's another thing. Not everything sounds like it is in one spot when it is "overhead". Especially with native Atmos/DTS:X or Neural:X, I can get very specific locations on the ceiling where things are. Not everything "in the wrong place" sounds like it is right over my head. Maybe it just sounds higher than usual. Idk how many other people get this kind of effect but I do and it can mean the difference between something over my speakers or something right over my head. So maybe that Jeep that drove over wasn't right over my head but it sure wasn't on the tarmac either.

I don't miss the pre-Atmos days of vague "woah, didn't that sound like it was above you?" effects. That s**t IS above you and all over the ceiling now.

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I had the same type of issue with certain music upmixers, even if it works great on most songs if it gets crazy on a specific song and I hear vocals or guitars coming from behind me it bothers me and I have to start fiddling. Same with Audyssey Dynamic EQ, I use it (because I listen at lower volumes most of the time) but I use the settings to tone it down to lessen the chance of it being annoying.
Ahh yes. Music is a whole other animal when it comes to upmixers. The jury is still out on DSU (for me) with music. Most of the time, I find it okay but Sanjay's description of "sounding like a long, narrow room" effect is there and others notice it too. @carp

It's either straight 2ch stereo, all channel stereo or PL2x music for me but I rarely listen to music in there.


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I know you've said before that it would be great if there was a middle ground with DSU vs. Neural:X, and I agree.
Totally. If only...

Would be cool if there was a slider control with these upmixers to control their behavior.


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Terminator 2: Judgment Day coming to 4K UHD on October 3rd with a new DTS:X mix.

EDIT: On BD as well (same day).

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I guess I tend to err on the "conservative" side for my preference with this kind of audio enhancement. Obviously I listed just a couple of specific examples, but when they happened I really noticed at it broke my sense of immersion because all of a sudden I'm thinking about upmixers and weird stuff above my head instead of just watching the movie. You're right that it's not annoying MOST of the time. But DSU is really never annoying, just subtly immersive, so I tend to stick with it.

I had the same type of issue with certain music upmixers, even if it works great on most songs if it gets crazy on a specific song and I hear vocals or guitars coming from behind me it bothers me and I have to start fiddling. Same with Audyssey Dynamic EQ, I use it (because I listen at lower volumes most of the time) but I use the settings to tone it down to lessen the chance of it being annoying.

I know you've said before that it would be great if there was a middle ground with DSU vs. Neural:X, and I agree.



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Agreed. I have the same feeling with DSX Wide when dialogue goes off center. It creates an echoey effect on the wide speakers. What's heard cannot be unheard.
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When MOAR equals "better" than yes, DTS Neural:X will be "better" than Atmos.


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"Took a beating" Good lord, you guys put no context in that.

Atmos is a native immersive mix. I'm sorry you didn't think there was enough action in the overheads but that is how the person who made the movie and the person who mixed the sound for the movie wanted it to sound. I mean, if you want more up in the overheads, go for it! I'm not going to stop you or make fun that you like that. But let's not confuse all this stuff. An Atmos mix in native form is the original presentation of the movie. It's not a bad thing to want to keep the integrity of the spatial positioning. However, if you feel there isn't enough going on in all the speakers at every moment then feel free to engage further processing to enhance the experience.

"Better" is subjective.

Decoding an Atmos signal is how it's supposed to sound. If there isn't enough going on overhead, deal with it or pop open a flavored soda water (idk why I said that.... just use some surround processing).


Don't get me wrong, some of these Atmos mixes "suck!" in this regard. Many of the earliest ones are like that. San Andreas is worse. Sometimes you gotta put a twist of lemon...wtf, is my deal this morning. Must be thirsty or something.
I used to have a friend who owned a 4.1 setup. After adding a center speaker, he complained that there was not enough sound coming from that center speaker. He wants ALL sound to come from it.
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Going to leave it on auto then and see how the original mixes sound. I'll use the upmixes on 5.1 content only then I guess. Thanks for the input and opinions.

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Terminator 2: Judgment Day coming to 4K UHD on October 3rd with a new DTS:X mix.

EDIT: On BD as well (same day).
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=21713

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SPECIAL FEATURES AND SPECS:
  • BRAND NEW 4K RESTORATION of the film supervised by director James Cameron
  • NEW "T2: Reprogramming the Terminator" 55 Minute Documentary Including Exclusive Interview with Arnold Schwarzenegger, James Cameron, Edward Furlong and More
  • Two Feature Commentaries including 23 members of the cast and crew, including director James Cameron and co-author William Wisher
  • "The Making of T2" 30 Minute Featurette
  • Seamless Branching to View 3 Different Versions of the Movie
  • Two Deleted Scenes with Audio Commentary
  • Original Trailers
LIMITED EDITION BOX SET CONTENT:
  • Life-sized Terminator EndoArm
  • Each limited-edition EndoArm unit includes a uniquely numbered sticker, featuring the signature of writer-director James Cameron
4K BLU-RAY TECHNICAL SPECS:
  • Audio: English DTS:X Audio, DTS Headphone:X™ Audio, English 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio and English 5.1 DTS Digital Surround Audio
  • Subtitles: English SDH/Spanish
BLU-RAY TECHNICAL SPECS:
  • Audio: English DTS:X Audio, DTS Headphone:X Audio, English 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio and English 5.1 DTS Digital Surround Audio


Nice of them to release on 'regular' BD with DTS:X included.
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Terminator 2: Judgment Day coming to 4K UHD on October 3rd with a new DTS:X mix.

EDIT: On BD as well (same day).
Interesting timing... as the 3D version should be hitting shelves shortly after that.
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on that T2 special edition with the T800 hand... I now, for the first time, find myself wanting to pay $175 for a movie.

You know, I've watched T2 over 100 times and I just now realized the significance of Arnie revealing his robotic hand, as that was the hand was the one piece of evidence of the robot (in terms of what it looked like) from the first.

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I think the BD version w/ DTS:X being released October 3rd is the 3D version.


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on that T2 special edition with the T800 hand... I now, for the first time, find myself wanting to pay $175 for a movie.
Lol! Me too!

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You know, I've watched T2 over 100 times and I just now realized the significance of Arnie revealing his robotic hand, as that was the hand was the one piece of evidence of the robot from the first.
Hhh..... how is that possible? Were you asleep all 100 times?
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I think the BD version w/ DTS:X being released October 3rd is the 3D version.

Cool, a nice, fast theater-to-shelves timeframe
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