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It seems DTS is now streaming in full DTS-HD on 50,000+ titles on Fandango Now...
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Can't be sure, but it might be DTS-HD HRA (lossy, lower bitrate), not DTS-HD MA...

DTS:X can be delivered over DTS-HD HRA, not only over DTS-HD MA.
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DTS:X can be delivered over DTS-HD HRA, not only over DTS-HD MA.
The 4K UHD of Fast & Furious 6 has a lossy DTS:X track.
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Does it make any difference if it's HRA or MA as long as the bitrate is high enough? Has anyone ever proven they can tell Master-HD MA from Master-HD HRA? I've never seen ONE DBX test to prove anyone could tell 256kbps AAC from the lossless master or 320kbps MP3 even yet the belief goes on they're no good.

24/96, 24/192 sound better...no proof and the science doesn't even support a difference with really good recordings, but people believe they are better too and are willing to put up with copy protection, watermarking, etc. (the latter is typically in the audible signal) to get it yet they're usually not even interested in seeing if they can hear a difference or not first. I guess like sugar pills if it makes you feel better, take 'em anyway.
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The 4K UHD of Fast & Furious 6 has a lossy DTS:X track.
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Does it make any difference if it's HRA or MA as long as the bitrate is high enough?
Probably not.
Or if there is a difference, it is subtle and not revealed under usual listening conditions.
But we humans always want the "best" if it is available even if the difference between the "best" and "good enough" is marginal.

Also, the "best" is an ever-moving target.
Today's "best" is tomorrow "old", "classic", "obsolete" and "I don't want that!".
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American Gangster and Scarface due out mid October on 4K UHD with new DTS:X mixes.
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Well Go USA is only home video label using audio objects on their DTS:X tracks (7.1.4 channels + 5 objects). Their last two home video releases ('Master Z: Ip Man Legacy' and 'Shadow') have Dolby Atmos soundtracks. Make of that what you will.
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I like it how they use an "Nvidia S" as source looking at the display of that Altitude32, however in the full kit list in the article there is no Nvidia Shield mentioned.

Funny how they drive a £50k+ system with a £170 source device and then try to hide the fact.
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I like it how they use an "Nvidia S" as source looking at the display of that Altitude32, however in the full kit list in the article there is no Nvidia Shield mentioned.

Funny how they drive a £50k+ system with a £170 source device and then try to hide the fact.
I don't see how it's funny. I drive a $12k system with a Shield. There's nothing better out there that I know of to run that type of file.

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I don't see how it's funny. I drive a $12k system with a Shield. There's nothing better out there that I know of to run that type of file.
As you know I use multiple Shields as well.

Now the funny part is how the article is listing every bit of hardware used in the system except the Shield:

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I don't see how it's funny. I drive a $12k system with a Shield. There's nothing better out there that I know of to run that type of file.
As you know I use multiple Shields as well.

Now the funny part is how the article is listing every bit of hardware used in the system except the Shield:

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The shield might imply they're breaking copyright laws streaming dumped discs or whatever? Even with the new 8.0 software, the Shield still lags the AppleTV for Atmos in Netflix (now it does 640kbps, they exclaim, the same as some studios!). Yippee. The same as Dolby Digital lossy on BD from a decade ago....

I looked for some DTS streaming titles in Fandango Now, but couldn't locate any on the Shield. I have no idea if any streaming boxes support DTS in Fandango or not, even if they're there.

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The shield might imply they're breaking copyright laws streaming dumped discs or whatever?

Or as MagumX says, it's simple high-end snobbery that can't admit that quality only comes with a high-end price.

It reminds me of the excellent Dalite Hipower screen, which was so reasonably priced as to be ignored by many high-enders.
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Or as MagumX says, it's simple high-end snobbery that can't admit that quality doesn't only come with a high-end price.
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If anything with the "high-end" I'd say price has less and less to do with quality it the further the price goes up and the more it has to do with making apocalyptic levels of profit margins. Even speakers, where the most difference typically occurs starts to get absurd when you cross the $10k threshold, IMO. It shouldn't cost $50k a pair to get good sound, at least not from the speakers. The problem is that even the best speakers can sound bad in a bad room and the room can take +/- 1dB rated speakers and swing them 8-12dB easily in some cases, especially in the bass regions.

One of my favorite brands (PSB) routinely makes speakers rated within their nominal bandwidth in the +/- 1dB range, but getting that in an anechoic chamber and in an actual room are two different things. Room correction can help a lot, but it can't fix giant "holes" in the response (i.e. you can turn down peaks much easier than correcting pits) so bass traps and other treatments might be necessary. But the notion that buying more expensive speakers will make it sound even better is flawed by the room as the same room will cause suck-out in the same bands save perhaps from some speciality speakers (Focal Whispers come to mind) that attempt to foil the room reflections, etc. within reason (even then the bass region can still be an issue). Now are you going to get better room response with $50k speakers? I find it doubtful. There are other measurements, but frequency response is a pretty good indicator of even response to my ears.

But if you have a really nice room, the response can be good even without room correction (I'm lucky to get +/- 5dB overall in my home theater, mostly due to some suckouts in bass where I'll need traps to even it out), but I have no such issues in my music room where the back of the room acts like trap on its own. The Carver AL-IIIs are only rated +/- 3dB to begin with and as you can see from the REW graph, it almost achieves that in the actual room. (red graph is where I actually like the bass set, which gives a smooth downward slope to flat, but I also took measurements with the active crossover set to flat on the green curve). With bass, it's +/- 5dB, but above 200Hz (ribbons only), it's +/- 3dB and without any room correction and those are dipoles. I've only come close with my home theater stereo mode recently after more treatments and room correction, I think it now sounds comparable in 2-channel (+/- 5dB overall, with most within +/- 2.5dB save the 680Hz dip; the graph is "reference" so it slides down over 10kHz, which I prefer to "flat" there).



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Fixed for you, I think

I don't why I had to read your and my versions 8 times to get it, but right you are
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I'm really confused when it come to setting up our Yamaha AMP A3050. Now the question I would like to ask is When you set up your Amp speakers for DTX or DTS Neural X do you set them up as HEIGHTS NOT OVERHEADS (overheads the one cut through the Ceiling) and on Dolby Atmos you set your speakers on OVERHEADS (Ceiling) not heights Is that true.


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I'm really confused when it come to setting up our Yamaha AMP A3050. Now the question I would like to ask is When you set up your Amp speakers for DTX or DTS Neural X do you set them up as HEIGHTS NOT OVERHEADS (overheads the one cut through the Ceiling) and on Dolby Atmos you set your speakers on OVERHEADS (Ceiling) not heights Is that true.


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Yes, what you describe is by consensus the optimal way to setup the Yammys.
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Yes, what you describe is by consensus the optimal way to setup the Yammys.

Thank you for answering this.

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