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post #2101 of 4119 Old 06-19-2016, 05:44 AM
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Thanks for providing the extensive lists. That's very useful info to have.



Just from anecdotal evidence on Amazon, the Denon S710W has also already had the DTS:X firmware made available. (Someone there saying how great it was, and it took only 20min to install.)

Must have posted wrong model number as the DTS:X firmware has not yet been released to any of the 2015 models lower than X4200W which includes the S710W.
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Must have posted wrong model number as the DTS:X firmware has not yet been released to any of the 2015 models lower than X4200W which includes the S710W.
Thanks for the correction, JD! That is why I reported it as 'anecdotal'.

It's not an easy task, reading through descriptions of and comments on dozens of AVRs, trying to figure out which already have DTS:X, vs. which it's still coming to. And when you do eventually pick up a tidbit, it's not always correct. That can lead to some unfortunate decisions being made.

That's why your substantial list is so useful. Though I'm assuming/hoping the absence of anything Onkyo there for 2016 doesn't imply it's been pushed back to 2017 for those?
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We have a Pioneer SC-97. Enjoying Atmos.
Have been eagerly awaiting the DTS:X firmware upgrade.
Does anyone here have an update on the Pioneer SC-9x DTS update?
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I would gladly add Front Wide Height speakers to each of my AV systems . . . if only I could afford the Illusonic IAP16 prepros to create the upmix!

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Well, actually you don't need an Illusionic processor for that. Put your TMs a bit forward (at about 75 degrees elevation), not too far apart (like 50 degrees separation), and there they are: your Front Wide Heights supported by DSU and Atmos.
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Thanks for the correction, JD! That is why I reported it as 'anecdotal'.

It's not an easy task, reading through descriptions of and comments on dozens of AVRs, trying to figure out which already have DTS:X, vs. which it's still coming to. And when you do eventually pick up a tidbit, it's not always correct. That can lead to some unfortunate decisions being made.

That's why your substantial list is so useful. Though I'm assuming/hoping the absence of anything Onkyo there for 2016 doesn't imply it's been pushed back to 2017 for those?
Not that I am aware of, no, rather just that the 2016 Pioneer and Onkyo should receive the firmware update later this summer.
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We have a Pioneer SC-97. Enjoying Atmos.
Have been eagerly awaiting the DTS:X firmware upgrade.
Does anyone here have an update on the Pioneer SC-9x DTS update?
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A little OT, but you really aren't missing anything by not having DTS:X as there such few titles. I have it on my X4200W and I have been under-whelmed. As far as Neural:X upmixing, I think DSU is as good, if not better than it. Dolby really does have the first mover's advantage here.


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A little OT, but you really aren't missing anything by not having DTS:X as there such few titles. I have it on my X4200W and I have been under-whelmed.
I was kind of thinking the same thing, since I currently have neither height-based system. I didn't think I had any such discs at all.

But I took a look through my BR collection, and found I already have over 10 DTS:X discs, and over 20 Atmos. Thus my increasing interest level (or just curiosity).
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The 2015 models that have had the DTS:X firmware released to them include:

Denon X4200W
Denon X6200W
Denon X7200WA
Marantz SR6010
Marantz SR7010
Marantz AV7702MKII
Marantz AV8802A
Yamaha A1050
Yamaha A2050
Yamaha A3050
Yamaha CX-A5100

The 2016 models that are currently available and shipping with DTS:X factory installed include:

Yamaha A660
Yamaha A760
Yamaha A860

The 2016 models that will receive the DTS:X update via firmware after release include:

Denon S720W
Denon S920W
Denon X1300W
Denon X2300W
Denon X3300W
Marantz NR1607
Marantz SR5011
Need to upgrade my 5200 so I can do DTS:X.

Can you tell me what is the big difference between x6200 vs x7200wa other than internal amps, which I don't need.
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Need to upgrade my 5200 so I can do DTS:X.

Can you tell me what is the big difference between x6200 vs x7200wa other than internal amps, which I don't need.
2015 Pioneer SC-9x models are still waiting for the DTS:X firmware addition. (ask me how I know)...
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2015 Pioneer SC-9x models are still waiting for the DTS:X firmware addition. (ask me how I know)...
That's why they are noticeably absent from the list.
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Need to upgrade my 5200 so I can do DTS:X.

Can you tell me what is the big difference between x6200 vs x7200wa other than internal amps, which I don't need.
I discuss this in post 7 of the 2015 Denon AVR Owner's thread linked below ...

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...l#post34729009
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A little OT, but you really aren't missing anything by not having DTS:X as there such few titles. I have it on my X4200W and I have been under-whelmed. As far as Neural:X upmixing, I think DSU is as good, if not better than it. Dolby really does have the first mover's advantage here.


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I respectfully disagree. I feel that DTS:X Neural upmixes DTS tracks better than DSU.

And, on Dolby tracks, I think that DSU does a better job.

I cannot compare cross upmixing directly since Denon has not added that particular feature to their firmware yet. Then, and only then, do I think that anyone can realistically make the argument one way or the other.

Logically, this would make sense to me because they are upmixing within their respective "families". I would expect Neural to be more efficient in dealing with DTS tracks.

Once Denon issues that firmware upgrade, I will be willing to try to make that comparison.

And, it probably does not make that much difference...people hear different things. FWIW, I have always been at Atmos fanboy, but I think that DTS has done their homework., and executed properly.

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I respectfully disagree. I feel that DTS:X Neural upmixes DTS tracks better than DSU.

And, on Dolby tracks, I think that DSU does a better job.

I cannot compare cross upmixing directly since Denon
It's all in your head.

Each respective upmixer does not upmix a decoded signal. Each one sees a signal that is PCM. So they don't know they are upmixing their own brand format.

What you have done is simply compared one upmixer with one mix and another upmixer with a totally different mix. That's awesome but it doesn't really help comparing the upmixers in a valid way at all.


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Umm... are you sure you don't have that backwards?
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Just read the first two pages of this thread and it seems that DTX movies are nowhere to be found, is this correct?
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Just read the first two pages of this thread and it seems that DTX movies are nowhere to be found, is this correct?
A small handful of them have been released since this thread was started.
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Just read the first two pages of this thread and it seems that DTX movies are nowhere to be found, is this correct?
On BD: Ex Machina, American Ultra, Last Witch Hunter, Crimson Peak, Big Short, Daddy's Home, Ip Man 3, Zoolander No. 2, Gods of Egypt, London Has Fallen, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, Huntsman: Winter's War.

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DTS:X is more dead than DVD-Audio...way more dead. I used to have hope, but that too died away.

http://www.nextgenhometheater.com/dtsx-blu-ray-movies/

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I prefer Dolby Atmos. The sound is fuller, smoother panning and it provides a seamless immersive dome. I just don't get the reviews of ID4. The DTSX soundtrack tries to hard to be noticed reminiscent of the early days of Dolby Surround. DTS used to dominate Dolby but since lossless/TrueHD came on the scene, I'm pro-Dolby. Dolby also makes way better .1, something DTS used to own. Oh and the studio gotta stop with this forcing us to buy the new format crap by limiting immersive soundtracks to UHD.
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Oh and the studio gotta stop with this forcing us to buy the new format crap by limiting immersive soundtracks to UHD.
Sure, but how do we make that happen? It seems some studios have different ideas than you and I on that topic.
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DTS:X is more dead than DVD-Audio...way more dead. I used to have hope, but that too died away.

http://www.nextgenhometheater.com/dtsx-blu-ray-movies/
Well, perhaps not just yet: "Paramount Blu-rays featuring DTS:X 3D surround sound are on the way"

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Well, perhaps not just yet: "Paramount Blu-rays featuring DTS:X 3D surround sound are on the way"

http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...-ray-releases/
"The two companies announced on Tuesday that they had entered an agreement that would see Paramount Home Media Distribution offering a number of Blu-ray titles with DTS:X audio. The first discs released will be the Will Ferrell and Mark Wahlberg comedy Daddy’s Home, the Tina Fey comedy-drama Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, The Big Short, and Zoolander No. 2 starring Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson."

The announcement makes it seem asthough this is something that "will be" happening, which is weird since all four titles they mention being "on the way" have already been released. 'The Big Short' and 'Daddy's Home' came out (on BD, with DTS:X) over 5 months ago.

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I prefer Dolby Atmos. The sound is fuller, smoother panning and it provides a seamless immersive dome. I just don't get the reviews of ID4. The DTSX soundtrack tries to hard to be noticed reminiscent of the early days of Dolby Surround. DTS used to dominate Dolby but since lossless/TrueHD came on the scene, I'm pro-Dolby. Dolby also makes way better .1, something DTS used to own. Oh and the studio gotta stop with this forcing us to buy the new format crap by limiting immersive soundtracks to UHD.
You're simply describing what you heard of the mix, not the actual format which is impossible to actually hear if the signal is Dolby or DTS or PCM.
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"The two companies announced on Tuesday that they had entered an agreement that would see Paramount Home Media Distribution offering a number of Blu-ray titles with DTS:X audio. The first discs released will be the Will Ferrell and Mark Wahlberg comedy Daddy’s Home, the Tina Fey comedy-drama Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, The Big Short, and Zoolander No. 2 starring Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson."

The announcement makes it seem asthough this is something that "will be" happening, which is weird since all four titles they mention being "on the way" have already been released. 'The Big Short' and 'Daddy's Home' came out (on BD, with DTS:X) over 5 months ago.
Still more movies out in DTS:X than REDACTED.
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The announcement makes it seem as though this is something that "will be" happening, which is weird since all four titles they mention being "on the way" have already been released. 'The Big Short' and 'Daddy's Home' came out (on BD, with DTS:X) over 5 months ago.
I immediately found that strange as well when I received the press release yesterday. It reads like an act of desperation to remind us that DTS:X still exists.
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You're simply describing what you heard of the mix, not the actual format which is impossible to actually hear if the signal is Dolby or DTS or PCM.
I mentioned ID4 but I wasn't basing my post on that but rather bit for bit matched movie intro trailers. They sound different. Its comparable to the Spears and Munsil bluray. If you have that, try it. Tell me what you think. Even with the same mix and specs they have a unique sound. Dolby sounds better to me.
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There is no sound that is altered by the codec. Both Dolby and DTS use "lossless" algorithms. What goes in, comes back out with no changes.

If you're hearing a difference, it's either because of setup/configuration or because there is an entirely different mix from one signal to the other.
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In practice though since DTS:X is supposed to be more forgiving regarding speaker placement could it sound better than Atmos if speakers aren't ideally placed for Atmos?
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In practice though since DTS:X is supposed to be more forgiving regarding speaker placement could it sound better than Atmos if speakers aren't ideally placed for Atmos?
No. They are 100% identical wrt speaker placement "flexibility".

Even if it did, that wouldn't change the sound at all. Just the placement of sound.
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On BD: Ex Machina, American Ultra, Last Witch Hunter, Crimson Peak, Big Short, Daddy's Home, Ip Man 3, Zoolander No. 2, Gods of Egypt, London Has Fallen, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, Huntsman: Winter's War.

On UHD: Last Witch Hunter, Gods of Egypt, Independence Day: 20th Anniv, Divergent, Lone Survivor, Huntsman: Winter's War.

In theatres: American Ultra, Sicario, Last Witch Hunter, Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 2, Divergent Series: Allegiant, Warcraft, Now You See Me 2.
It depends where you live, though. Quite a lot of those are ONLY DTS:X if you're an American customer. So it's even more restricted.

Ex Machina: Region A only
American Ultra: Region A only
Last Witch Hunter: Region A only
Gods of Egypt: Region A only
London Has Fallen: American Blu-ray only (not locked to A)
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot: American Blu-ray only (not locked to A)
Zoolander No. 2: All copies have DTS:X (America, Germany, Italy only)

Crimson Peak: All regions have DTS:X
The Big Short: All regions have DTS:X
Daddy's Home: All regions have DTS:X

Ip Man 3: Region A HK (Universe Laser and Video Co. Ltd.) and Region ALL USA (Well Go USA) have DTS:X. Region B UK does not.
Huntsman: Winter's War: don't know yet

So in reality there's only 3 you can really be confident and shout about as proper world-wide DTS:X releases: Crimson Peak, The Big Short and Daddy's Home.
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It depends where you live, though.
Not in this day and age of buying over the internet and multi-region players.
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