Originally Posted by maestro50
Thank you. I measured with more care and all is well on that front.
A new question today (several actually!)--
When I listen to Audyssey in Reference mode, 2-channel stereo, it sounds very good.
But if I switch back and forth between Reference and LR bypass, the bypass mode sounds more "realistic." Oboe, guitar, piano, violin, everything sounds a little bit more like it should (more like I expect it to) in bypass mode.
[Marantz 6010, PSB T2, Hsu VTF-3 Mk5. Crossover in 6010 set at 80Hz]
I understand the answer to these type of questions is always, "find a mode you like and enjoy it." I'll do that, I promise.
But I am wondering, is Reference mode actually more accurate, and I'm just not used to it?
In changing the EQ of the room to overcome its quirks and faults, isn't Audyssey really changing the EQ of the RECORDING, so that it is actually LESS accurate?
Should I give it a week or a month and let my ears adjust?
Surely there are others that have had similar reactions to hearing/adapting/choosing Reference mode? (Oh, I've tried Flat by the way. Nope.)
Or, does it really not matter? I mean, do I get the majority of the "good stuff" out of the processing by using the bass management below 80Hz?
Thank you for letting me pick your collective brains.
I'm an old vet when it comes to stereo listening, but a novice when adding any kind of processing to the chain.
Old habits and old wisdom tell me that adding any processing is dangerous, but I feel foolish not utilizing the technology available to me in the best way that I can.
You are welcome! Well, I'll give you one perspective. FWIW, I don't really consider what Audyssey is doing as processing, although I understand that intuitive reaction. What I see Audyssey as trying to do is to keep the room/speaker interaction from interfering too much with the sound that you should be hearing. And that should make the music more, not less, accurate.
To do that, it attempts to correct any big peaks or dips in volume all the way up the frequency spectrum from 10Hz to 20KHz. I believe that the goal is to try to achieve about +/- 3db for every speaker, at every frequency. And in theory, that helps to take constructive and destructive interference out of the equation, to the extent that an automated room correction system can.
But it gets more complicated when you add in the Reference Curve, which has a dip at about 2500Hz, and which attenuates the upper frequencies a bit. And then, it gets a little more complicated again, when DEQ is introduced into the equation, because among other things, it boosts bass frequencies at below Reference volumes.
There are reasons why Audyssey does those things, but I'm not discussing the merits of the Reference Curve, or of DEQ, but only how it may affect your perception of a more, or less, natural sound. Speaking only for myself, in my room, with my system, the most natural sound is achieved with Flat, no DEQ, and -1 Treble on my front speakers (using my Tone Control). Others on the thread will undoubtedly have entirely different views regarding what makes acoustical instruments, with which they are familiar, sound most natural in their rooms, with their systems.
Your starting point is ultimately going to have to be your ending point, though. Regardless of the merits of using Audyssey in my system, in the way I described, or in other ways as may be described by others, your own ears are the final arbiter of what works best for you. I would experiment extensively, giving myself plenty of time to listen to different variations and settings, and ultimately pick the one I like best. If it happens to be Bypass L/R, so be it. And yes, you will still get real benefits just from EQing the sub-80Hz, or so, frequencies.
If you are like many of us, you may find yourself making slight adjustments from time-to-time, regardless of what you pick. And some people even go back and forth between settings in a fairly major way. There is absolutely no single right way to listen, particularly where music is concerned.
But I would try not to be influenced by preconceptions regarding "processing", because the Audyssey filters themselves are not a form of processing, as I see it, although the Reference Curve and DEQ may be considered that. I think it's useful to distinguish between Audyssey filters which simply attempt to remove interference, and Audyssey settings which are intended to appeal to the majority of listeners. And Audyssey's Reference Curve and DEQ were not filters, but settings, originally developed with 5.1 Dolby films in mind. If they also happen to work perfectly for music, as they do for some people, that is a bonus.