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post #391 of 745 Old 05-22-2016, 08:46 AM
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I dont think you got my point either. Was just saying the black bars on a huge screen doesnt hurt your experience as much as it does on a 65"-75". Not sure how the 21:9 works on the new yamahas but Id like to regain as much screen real estate as possible (if at all possible).

Hell, Im on a 60" plasma right now!

I know exactly what you are saying, and what you want to do.

What I'm attempting to explain to you is I HAVE a Yamaha RX-A3050 and a 16:9 display (Pioneer Kuro)
and the "21:9" support does NOTHING to magically eliminate black bars/letterbox on widescreen movies.

It still has "Black Bars" aka Letterbox when playing a movie in widescreen format on a 16:9 display
The Yamaha literature is misleading, it will only support native 21:9 material through to a display with native 2560 x 1080 resolution.

as I've already stated, widescreen bluray movies are 16:9 (1920 x 1080) Not 21:9
the black bars are part of the image sent by your BD player.


Some TV's/Monitors have a stretch/fill option, but that destroys the Original Aspect Ratio
(and no, a new Yamaha AVR will not add that ability to your current display if you don't have it.)

That's a huge bastardization of the image!





http://www.bigscreen.com/about/help.php?id=46

Black Bars exist for a reason, to maintain the OAR (Original Aspect Ratio)

For decades now Directors have been outraged when their OAR movies have been altered for 4:3
televisions by lopping off the sides of the image or using a pan and scan edit of the original film.



If you want MORE screen,
get a projector and screen for movies and use your TV for cable.


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I'm talking about ultra wide monitors and you talking about regular wide screen. No black bars while using ultra wide monitors
I don't think anyone is picking up on the fact that you're talking about a 21x9 display.

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I don't think anyone is picking up on the fact that you're talking about a 21x9 display.
I did,

I have a Samsung ultra wide screen pc monitor at the office,
but at just 34" it would not be my first choice for watching movies on.

and for any movies with 1.78:1/1.85:1 aspect ratio
or regular broadcast/cable HDTV programs, Football/Baseball/Hockey games, XBOX or PlayStation Gaming
.... a 21:9 screen would then have Vertical Black Bars (aka "Pillar Box") on the sides...





Can anyone point me to 21:9 content?, because you won't get it on a bluray.
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Can anyone point me to 21:9 content?, because you won't get it on a bluray.
It was originally going to be in the UHD standard, but didn't make it. It might not be important today, but perhaps in the future it could be.


"The Ultra HD Blu-ray specification was reportedly[2] to include support for anamorphic video in a 64:27 aspect ratio as well. Eventually, this feature was not included in the final specification.[3] The company Folded Space is working on a proprietary solution, MFE,[4] to put anamorphic 21:9 video onto Blu-rays in a way compatible with standard players."

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What I'm attempting to explain to you is I HAVE a Yamaha RX-A3050 and a 16:9 display (Pioneer Kuro)
and the "21:9" support does NOTHING to magically eliminate black bars/letterbox on widescreen movies.


If you want MORE screen,
get a projector and screen for movies and use your TV for cable.

I didnt know 21:9 was in the prior 3050....thought it was a new feature in the XX60 line.

...and thats why I said some of us arent lucky enough to have a screen or have a proper light controlled room for a screen. If it was simple and non-obtrusive, everyone would have one lol
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I didnt know 21:9 was in the prior 3050....thought it was a new feature in the XX60 line.

...and thats why I said some of us arent lucky enough to have a screen or have a proper light controlled room for a screen. If it was simple and non-obtrusive, everyone would have one lol
Where did you say that?

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pio, we get it, you have an awesome 9ft screen but not all of us are that lucky! Us mere peasants have a paltry 65"-75" to deal with so we need every bit of space we can get.

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I dont think you got my point either. Was just saying the black bars on a huge screen doesnt hurt your experience as much as it does on a 65"-75". Not sure how the 21:9 works on the new yamahas but Id like to regain as much screen real estate as possible (if at all possible).

Hell, Im on a 60" plasma right now!
"21:9 Support" doesn't change your 16:9 displays pixel count, that's impossible
it just means the AVR will support that resolution if you have a 21:9 2520 x 1080 display.



ElBerryKM13 is able to zoom his scope movies to fill his screen without black bars
because he has a matching aspect ratio screen with the appropriate pixel count.

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Nice to see this receiver thread filled with 21:9 video that 99% of people dont care about.
Just sayin..
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Nice to see this receiver thread filled with 21:9 video that 99% of people dont care about.
Just sayin..
Wish UHD Blu-ray used 21:9 anamorphic compression for scope movies. That kind of support was part of the original specification.

Would give some more legitimate reasons to have a constant height masking system than just "it's cinematic, yo!" reasons.
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Nice to see this receiver thread filled with 21:9 video that 99% of people dont care about.
Just sayin..
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Can anyone point me to 21:9 content?, because you won't get it on a bluray.
Most torrents are 21:9.
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Wish UHD Blu-ray used 21:9 anamorphic compression for scope movies. That kind of support was part of the original specification.

Would give some more legitimate reasons to have a constant height masking system than just "it's cinematic, yo!" reasons.
As an alternative viewpoint, I despise non-square pixels. I'd much rather crop black bars (and zoom if necessary) than be doing non-linear decompression/scaling.
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I take it since there have been no posts of "EXCITEMENT" that the Amazon x60 orders are a "No Go" ?

2 Good 2 B TRU....
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I take it since there have been no posts of "EXCITEMENT" that the Amazon x60 orders are a "No Go" ?

2 Good 2 B TRU....
Mine is delayed until the end of June.

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I take it since there have been no posts of "EXCITEMENT" that the Amazon x60 orders are a "No Go" ?

2 Good 2 B TRU....
The 1060, 2060, and 3060 aren't available yet so they didn't ship. My Amazon 1060 order is still active with a shipdate between the 8th-20th.
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I take it since there have been no posts of "EXCITEMENT" that the Amazon x60 orders are a "No Go" ?

2 Good 2 B TRU....
The preorder prices are still true and will be fulfilled just not the premature shipping dates.
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Audioholics vide on the new Av's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jTt...ature=youtu.be

Yamaha video on the same

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I take it since there have been no posts of "EXCITEMENT" that the Amazon x60 orders are a "No Go" ?

2 Good 2 B TRU....
Everything I have received has been very positive and indicates they will ship when released. It appears you would be happy if they did not.

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Lol, there does seem to be some jealousy based on a few posts
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Everything I have received has been very positive and indicates they will ship when released. It appears you would be happy if they did not.
No, Not at all.... Hope everyone gets theirs at the great prices!
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Most likely regret, not jealousy, for failing to jump in when the "pre-order prices" were active...I certainly am. The RX-A2060 is my dream receiver but will have to wait. With a new home build AND our first baby on the way, my son would grow up fatherless if I bought that receiver now.
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Is there any news about an update for the CX-5100?
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Yamaha receivers seem to get good reviews....I honestly don't care too much about Wifi and Bluetooth for the receiver. I just want great sound with full support of UHD HDR and at least 4 HDMI inputs......I am still unsure if I want ATMOS and DTS:X yet. I could get the RX-V381 also but is only 5.2. What are your opinions on ATMOS?
Wifi would let you stream FLAC music files in a lossless way so *it is* about great sound quality as well as convenience.
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this should be a great upgrade for ,me
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Looks like a good time to upgrade ye olde RX-A3000.
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If I already have a power amplifier, what would be the better choice. The CXA 5100 or the RXA 3060? I'm running a RXV1800 and been thinking about an upgrade for a while.
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If I already have a power amplifier, what would be the better choice. The CXA 5100 or the RXA 3060? I'm running a RXV1800 and been thinking about an upgrade for a while.
How many channels are you planning to do and how many channels is your power amp?

Answer those 2 questions and you'll get your answer.
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If I already have a power amplifier, what would be the better choice. The CXA 5100 or the RXA 3060? I'm running a RXV1800 and been thinking about an upgrade for a while.
Also depends on your feature and input requirements.

The CX-A5100 features 32bit DACs on all floor (7) + presence (4) channels and features 7.1 multi-analog inputs (SACD player) while the A3060 only uses the 32bit DACs on the floor (7) channels; however, the A3060 will feature the new "Enhanced" DSP mode (presence speakers) as well as provide the capability for manual sub EQ down to 15.6Hz.
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Looks like a good time to upgrade ye olde RX-A3000.
Me too, although in my case it's a RX-A1000. A 3060 is pre-ordered and I'm patiently waiting. OK, so I'm not really patient.
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Me too, although in my case it's a RX-A1000. A 3060 is pre-ordered and I'm patiently waiting. OK, so I'm not really patient.
Me too. My case it's RX-A2000.
Seems like us the original Aventage fans are all due for upgrades this year.
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Yamaha Aventage 2016 Models

I'll be going back to Yamaha this time around as I leap frog between Yamaha & Onkyo. My local dealer is thinking about dropping Onkyo's soon as they have too many other lines now so I'll get the 3060 and probably sell my Onkyo 1030, or move it upstairs if I don't sell it.
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